So instead of invading ussr and causing 30+ million death, all Hitler had to do was sell some better drill bits to Italy…
Wait until you hear about the Manchurian oil fields.
>>18522250>Implying Hitler invaded for oil or other natural resourcesThe baits on this website get worse and worse.
>>18522324that was literally one of the reasons he invaded
>>18522324That’s exactly why he invaded. It’s why he wanted to focus on giving supplies and sending more troops to army group south to take Ukraine and the Caucasus for food and oi>>18522250While oil was thought to exist there, it wasn’t known where and in what amounts. The tech to detect it easily wasn’t around yet so you’d need huge intensive land surveys of endless desert instead And then you’d need drills to get oil in fairly deep pockets.
>>18522343>>18522398I'm sure it wasn't the fact that the USSR was a hyper aggressive communist power, a threat to the entire Europe. And if it isn't that - why send millions to die (and waste tremendous amounts of resources), instead of just, you know, buying the oil.
>>18522428No that's the bs excuse shitlerites like you made up to cope
>>18522250and how would they have transported the oil to germany (assuming italy would've stayed loyal anyways)
>>18522558big straw
I mean yeah, Hitler did invade the soviets for resources, but1) the soviets were also his main ideological enemy2) the soviets planned to attack Germany at some point, tooso whenever the discussion of how Hitler could've won WW2 comes up, it's impossible to reconcile the facts that while invading the soviets may have been a strategic blunder, it's also like a core part of nazism so going back in time to tell Hitler not to invade the USSR would be like telling Chris-chan not to make Sonichu.I also doubt the Axis would've been able to hold N. Africa forever even if they dedicated a lot more force to it because at some point the US is going to join the war and Germany + Italy is still a lot weaker than the US + UK. The original plan for the liberation of Europe was to push up north from Italy after invading from North Africa, D-Day just happened so that the western Allies could keep up the pressure.
>>18522577>The original plan for the liberation of Europe was to push up north from Italy after invading from North Africaunrelated to this thread but just how retarded was Churchill to think that this was a good ideaI mean yea I get it ... Italy was weak and one could easily think that they could Anzio-Spam their way through the whole thing given that they have like a gazillion shipsbut tf were they supposed to do the in the Alps? AFAIK the Western Sector (french-italian border) NEVER got threatened by the allies after Dragoon either... I guess it makes for a better forward-airbase though ...but sicily ( or corsica and sardinia ) would have sufficed
>>18522577>so whenever the discussion of how Hitler could've won WW2 comes up, it's impossible to reconcile the facts that while invading the soviets may have been a strategic blunder, it's also like a core part of nazism so going back in time to tell Hitler not to invade the USSR would be like telling Chris-chan not to make Sonichu.This.>D-Day just happened so that the western Allies could keep up the pressure.And relieve pressure from the real war in the east, Stalin demanded an invasion from the west to redirect German resources and manpower.
>>18522577>D-Day just happened so that the western Allies could keep up the pressure.I thought it was because Allies realized that Italy wasn't really working out?
>>18522593A front in France was going to happen because in the Tehran Conference it was promised to Stalin. The Western Allies being stuck for seven months at the Gustav Line in Italy caused the planned landings in Southern France, which were supposed to happen simultaneously with the Normandy landings, to be delayed.
>>18522311or sakhalin oil field
>>18522612>>18522593What if Hitler built defensive sites in Sicily and move tanks division to Normandy?Counter intelligent against the Allies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fortitude
>>18522577>invading the soviets may have been a strategic blunder, it's also like a core part of nazism so going back in timeI don't know who made this shit up, but it is the most annoying pop-culture myth on the internet. The Nazis invaded the USSR because Germany had to expand to rival the British Empire and the U.S. and defeating a landlocked nation was the more logical choice over trying to fight the British in Africa or Asia where Germany would have been an enormous disadvantage.Operation Barbarossa was purely pragmatic, they were not invading because they had a burning desire to kill all slavs or fear an invasion by the USSR. Of course hindsight proved them wrong, but at the time there was no reason to believe the USSR was a threat or had to be invaded for the sake of it. Hitler never treated Russia or the USSR as the grand ideological enemy, to him it was just another great power hostile to Germany.
>>18523093>Hitler never treated Russia or the USSR as the grand ideological enemyHave you even heard of Mein Kampf
>>18523174have you?
>>18523174Yes, I have. He never singled out Russia as a unique enemy and only mentioned eastwards expansion as a mean to survive to prevent Germany succumbing to another continental siege like the British Blockade during WW1. He ranted a lot about Germany diplomacy during WW1, he even talked about right wing voices arguing for a German-Russian Alliance and Hitler didn't object to this idea on a racial, but a geopolitical one.The USSR was also only mentioned in the context of Jewish influence, how it corrupted and weakened Russia. But they were not considered a serious Enemy because that would contradict Nazi ideology. Jews are the lowest race according to the nazis, they are supposedly unable to create or maintain Civilisation and Hitler stated in the book that the USSR would collapse soon anyway. As for the slavic race, it was only mentioned about 4 times in Mein Kampf. Of course not in a very positive manner, but that was the common position at the time everywhere in Europe. Anyway, 3 times were in relation to Austria-Hungary to explain why a multicultural empire wouldn't work and only once in relation to Russia, that being how the Jews supposedly were able to get in power in Russia.Besides, you missunderstand the purpose of Mein Kampf. It was merely a collection of Hitler's thoughts at the time of writing, a propaganda piece and a means to pay back his debts. The Nazis never considered a holy scripture to be followed, their foreign policy was purely pragmatic. Just take Japan as an example. Supporting Japan against the Colonial Powers was going against what Hitler wrote, because they were prioritising a lesser people (Japanese were cultural maintainers according to Mein Kampf, not Cultural Creators unlike Britain, France and the Dutch). Yet the Nazis didn't care because serving German interest was a higher priority.
>>18522311Convincing Japan to engage in a land war, not a naval one probably wouldn't have changed the fate of the war. But it would have delayed it.A second front, no matter how ill-equipped the Japanese's were would have bled the soviets and briefly opened up overland supply lines.America's involvement dooms the Axis, but a world with weakened soviets would have been worth it.
>>18522428It was still a major reason, possibly the biggest reason why he invaded the USSR.The trade with the USSR wasnt enough to cover the expense, and it left Germany being subservient to the USSR since the USSR could keep making demands in exchange for that oil, rubber and grain (rubber and grain import was just as much a factor, something OP ommitting).German currency during ww2 was worthless on the international market so German trade with other countries consisted of bartering. The exchange for Russian oil was German manufacturing and engineering, more importantly weapons. It left Germany in a dangerous situation because they were effectively modernizing and arming their soon-to-be nemesis just to continue squandering their own resources to fight Britain. Meanwhile Stalin kept making more and more demands on German allies (Bulgaria, Romania, Finland), which Hitler could not refuse in order to not jeopardize the vital oil trade.It became critical when the Soviets decided to simply seize large chunks of Romania that immediately threatened the oil that was absolutely vital for any chance of German independence.
>>18522250I always wondered if Italy remained neutral, would they be able to buy oil for Germany from other neutral countries or would they just get strong-armed (like how the US didn't let south america sell oil to Japan) or invaded anyway (like Vichy France)?
Oil was the least of Germany's problems. They were short on everything, including food.
Nobody knew oil was there at that time and they didn't even have the technology to extract it anyway. Libyan oil was discovered in the 60s. The same exact thing happened with Japan, there were oil fields in Manchuria they could have used which would have solved all their supply issues and nobody had any idea.
>>18523298Nothing you said is even relevant to the main topic.
>>18524261Debating the main topic is waste of time.What if the allies knew about all the oil in middle east?What if Germany knew about the uranium deposit in Czechoslovakia?What if Germany had built a F35?
>>18524268What if Boudica of Iceni possessed military prowess in shieldwall tactics and proto Scottish Schiltron-style formations?
