>>18523141
No it would still be based and redpilled today. The gas chambers would still be going.

>>18523141
It would be a paradise for 50-100 years, then start decaying

It would be illegal to lie in the media, the animal slaughterhouses would be outlawed. Etc. These are things the nazis expressed hatred towards. Lol.

Their entire society depended on them declaring war, it was completely unstable.

Completely sincerely, how do you normalize after genociding millions of Europeans and at least attempting to colonize Eastern Europe? Is there a future where a "Greater Germany" after Nazism can rejoin the world community, after ethnically cleansing and assimilating the Benelux/Poland/even more?

>>18523141
Germany winning would have immediate consequences on the rest of the world.
England would develop along fascist lines and eventually become a German satellite. The loss of the British Empire would force England to increasingly rely on good trade relations with Germany and Italy. France would get divided up and split into German and Italian spheres of influence. The entire Mediterranean would be Italian colonies.
The Japanese Empire would probably decline with time but still maintain influence over most of Southeast Asia. China would effectively be an Axis vassal, even if nominally independent from Japan.
America would collapse by the mid 50s and fall to either fascism or (more likely) communism. Communism would still remain a relevant force in the Americas and East Asia, with a Soviet rump state in Siberia and Central Asia directing international opposition to fascism.
Christianity would effectively be extinct by the end of the 20th century, as both fascist and communist states would replace it with their own doctrines.
Under these circumstances, it's unlikely Germany or any other Axis nation would 'liberalize' because the forces of liberalism would be mostly extinguished. If anything fascist states would only get more extreme and genocidal with time, as they no longer have to placate a Christian demographic.
>>18523509
Hitler's plan (laid out in Table Talk) was to invite settlers from Benelux, Northern France, and Scandinavia to move them into Eastern colonial territories, therefore making all Western Europeans complicit in ethnically cleansing Slavs

>>18523141
They would've spent at least 20 years putting down dissidents and rebellions in their eastern territories. They also would've colonized parts of Africa they managed to hold onto. They would probably also engage in retarded foreverwars to secure oil unless they completely secured former USSR's natural resources in this hypothetical victory. This would all be part of the broader Nu-Cold War against the American (and rump state British) sphere of influence in the Atlantic. America itself would be torn between wanting to go back to isolationism and paranoid anti Nazi McCarthyists who believe in stockpiling arms for war because the Germans will strike any day now.

I doubt japfags would try a full scale invasion of the US. They didn't have the numbers or technology to lead such a fleet across the Pacific. But they would be stuck in an unwinnable shithole land war in what is left of China for quite some time.
>>18523509
They just lie. Even if Germany won they would have denied most of the nasty shit they did in other European countries. You'd have generations of people under German rule growing increasingly skeptical whether or not most things during the war even happened.

>>18523509
There wouldn't be a 'world community' left is the Axis won. Europe would be under permanent German and Italian rule. East Asia would just be Japanese and communist vassals vying against one another. The Americas would all disintegrate within a generation and also become a hotbed for Nazi vs communist proxy wars.
An institution like the United Nations could never come into existence in these circumstances

>>18523141
I can't imagine liberalism surviving an Axis victory. The French and British Empires would be toast, and American democracy would be soon to follow. The Soviets would be the best situated of the defeated Allied powers since they'd still control a large empire beyond the Urals, and the ethnic cleansing of the Slavic peoples in Europe would create huge sympathy toward them, especially in America which was already broadly pro-Soviet

>>18523509
When has ethnic cleansing ever been an obstacle to establishing global relations.

>>18523141
Why would it liberalize like a dictatorship, which wasn't Fascist and instead just a Big Tent of random, mutually exclusive political forces?

>>18523509
Yes, by exploring the stars with superior rocket technology and making the USA want to join your scientific endeavors.

>>18523141
There would be a lot of slaves, I assume. Whether they liberalize or not would be based on post-war political developments we have no way of knowing.
I don't think it would last into the twenty-first century, anyway. Too amorphus a regime, and it would suffer from the same (if not worse) problems the soviet union did in our timeline.
>>18523509
You show that you are 'here to stay' so to speak, and everything gets smoothe dover in time. Though I think the German reich would be forced to compromise it's more radical ideas just to win, much less rule.

>>18523906
Actually, your question conceals another question, would a post-war third reich even be viable? It's not a trivial question.

Eventually, a counter-movement happens and the entire nazi system gets overthrown an replaced by communism

>>18523509
Probably the same way america did after wiping out 99% of its natives, or the turks did with the armenians, or any number of past examples. Bad things happen, people (who weren't massacred or disenfranchised) move on, and they eventually stop caring about it.

>>18523590
>The Japanese Empire would probably decline with time but still maintain influence over most of Southeast Asia.
The question wasn't if the Axis won. If Germany won in Europe, there'd have been no US involvement there, but the US still would've fought Japan, and obviously defeated them.

>>18524250
You are being very optimistic in thinking they would have been that succesful in wiping out the slavs.

>>18523906
Liberalization seems extremely unlikely. No economic liberalization would occur in Hitler's lifetime, afterwards there are a handful of potential successors and all of whom would be opposed to any kind of liberalization.
Himmler is, in my opinion, the most likely successor as he is the only one with a loyal paramilitary force under his command, so he is the most likely to exploit a gap in which he could seize power after Hitler. He was obviously a dedicated Nazi and he'd likely appoint a successor through force after his own eventual death (which Hitler intentionally avoided even in his will). He would probably appoint a loyalist like Rosenbaum, Heydrich (if he survived), or any number of personally groomed SS figures as a successor.
Martin Bormann and Herman Goring are tied for second place (although Goring's crippling morphine addiction and age will probably take him out of the running), and neither have a reputation for reform. Both would likely strengthen Nazi bureaucracy and purge political opponents. Yesmen would be very likely to succeed either of them.
Albert Speer and Joseph Goebbels are both in last place. They had influence but it was tied to civilian and technocratic functions, not military organization. They would likely be purged by one of the other three.
The only thing I can see becoming liberal under any of these individuals is mild economic liberalization in the form of softening autarkic policies. All of them would continue Generalplan Ost.

>>18524567
I don't see why the army is being omitted from this discussion. And as for General Plan Ost (which ever iteration, assuming they even get realized) any timeline where the third reich won could be assumed to be one where the exterminationist fantasies took a step back in favour of more pragmatic approaches. As I said, it depends on outcomes we simply cannot know. And regardless, I think the thing would just collapse in on itself without major reform, which as you said isn't going to happen. Though in fairness, a lot of National Socialist praxi before and during the war was rather ad-hoc so maybe it could happen.
You are also only talking of relatively short timespan here, I think the same internal pressures that were applied on the USSR would apply to the reich, particularly the disillusionment of elites.

>>18523590
>(more likely) communism
Zero chance. Communism was culturally incompatible with the US even before the cold war. Even a massive surge in economic populism would have turned into social democracy or some American flavored third position.

>>18524449
>and obviously defeated them
I'm not sure about that, since it took longer to defeat Japan than to defeat Germany. If we assume Germany knocks out Russia by '42 and is able to expel an American invasion of Italy in '43, then there would be huge pressure at home to make peace with the Axis. Japan would likely agree to withdraw from Guam and the Philippines in exchange for a peace deal

>>18524849
The Japanese used the element of surprise for all it was worth and were good at stalling but they were doomed after losing midway, everything after that was just a very drawn out road to defeat.

Why are people itt assuming they wouldn't liberalize? It happened everywhere:
>PRC liberalized after Mao
>ROC liberalized after Chiang
>USSR liberalized after Stalin
Etc.

>>18523590
>Benelux, Northern France, and Scandinavia

They wouldn’t, not without force. Yeah you’d get a couple of people but no one wants to leave Grance or Belgium for some farm in Belarus whose previous owners were massacred

>>18523842
They didn’t have superior rocket technology and we have vastly superior tech to what they had and haven’t even colonized the moon, because it, currently, isn’t even close to an economically viable thing to do

>>18524944
>whose previous owners were massacred
Few can resist the allure of free real estate.

>>18524849
The US was extremely committed to Japan's defeat after Pearl Harbor. The only thing that could produce a favorable outcome for Japan would be sustained major victories in the Pacific for 2-3 years, which would be unlikely, and otherwise, the US could outproduce Japan in most every way at such a rate that Japanese leaders knew a long war was impossible to win.

One of the reasons it took longer to defeat Japan is because the US attacks were being staged thousands of miles away -- Germany and her troops were a couple hundred miles away from England. Another very important reason was the Japanese determination not to surrender. They wouldn't surrender after a few decisive battles, but Germans would by the tens of thousands in 45. Given America's will after Pearl harbor

Also, US leadership formed a Germany First policy, prioritizing their defeat first. All told, if the US weren't fighting Germany directly and focused all its war effort on Japan, it wouldn't be as long to defeat them, and directly comparing the theaters to establish that beating japan was more difficult and would make the public less willing doesn't work.

>>18523141
Absolute best case scenario they get about a decade of riding high on the money they looted from conquered nations and the slave labour they could squeeze out of conquered populations (at increasing cost to their security apparatus and fucking over ordinary Germans compared to the party elites) before the inevitable results of Nazi party 'corruption and vibes' based economic policy came home to roost and the entire political/social structure just rotted away from within very rapidly - with any attempt at reform from within resulting in a Gestapo death squad kicking down your front door in the small hours of the morning.

>>18524951
You're ignoring the political ramifications of a defeat in Europe. It's hard to even guess how things would go since the US has never faced anything like that. It's entirely possible that the American public would completely turn on the idea of continuing any war or that there could be major political unrest undermining the war effort. Or everyone could double down desperate to at least get a win in Japan. It's definitely not as straightforward as simply shifting resources and attention to a different front.

>>18524944
Actually the recruitment program in the Netherlands was relatively succesful, and for his part quisling did also recruit a small cohort of norwegians who were never sent east because the soviets retook the area they were supposed to colonize. The germans weren't thrilled to find that the dutchmen weren't doing it for the reasons they wanted, in fact they came into conflict with german settlers in the region until they were evacuated after a while.

>>18524953
German would mostly eat stew for a few decades. American Magazines would call it omething flashy like Fantanomics.