Why did the Italian and Greek coasts not develop? One would think that with that prime real estate there would at least be something...
Huh? Piraeus is one of the largest and busiest ports in Europe.
mediterranean powers lost their influence when new routes to the americas were drawn, thus turning former regional powers or even minor factions into empires overnight.
>>18524334they could sail a boat around the world no problemand on the eve of WW1 Europe was responsible for over 80+% of foreign direct investment, most of world GDP, yet somehow these lil nibbas forgot to develop at all
>>18524328Massive amounts of state sponsored piracy by Ottoman funded Nafri raiders that didnt end till about 1830, no local Eurocunt dared to actually fight them because that meant war with the Ottomans if you did more than shore bombard a abandoned settlement. It wasnt till the Americans (really lmao) delcared the Barbary war of 1801 which was met with muted Ottoman protests that Euros saw that fighting the Nafri’s no longer really meant Ottoman intervention as they were the sickman by that point. Then the Napoleonic wars happened so the buckbreaking of the Nafri’s was postponed and then France gobbled up Algeria under the pretext of non stop pirate raids and slave raids on Europe.
>>18524328Depopulation, piracy, plague, Ottomans
>>18524328greek urban captial was destroyed during the wars of independence and south italy was feudal and aristocrats are not bigly into factories, central italy was too politically fragmented
>>18524336The Mediterranean went from being the center of the developed world to being an isolated backwater in a matter of decades. Italy and Greece had no access to the wealth of the new world or even Asia for that matter.
>>18524420See >>18524330
>>18524328>with that prime real estateWith what prime real estate? The southern Italian and greek coasts are rocky arid shitholes with no mineral resource whatsoever. The only thing they can do is some farming (but not enough to export much) and exploit the sea trade to import resources for industry, but that's not nearly as efficient as using your natural ones so they get outcompeted.
>>18524341Don't be retarded, european powers (that is to say Spain and Austria because France preferred to side with the turks to weaken its neighbours) spent the whole early modern period at war with the ottomans. Venice alone had 7 whole wars and even conquered Morea at one point, and was constantly bombing and raiding pirate bases in north africa.
>>18524468So Eurocucks chose to be enslaved and raped by the millions and did nothing because they liked Nafri cock? lol
>Why did the Italian and Greek coasts not develop? One would think that with that prime real estate there would at least be something...I can explain why Greece didn't develop, because I played Victoria 2.The sad answer is that Greece simply doesn't have enough population to become an Industrial powerhouse. If you "encourage craftsmen", which is a flat percentage modifier on POPs promoting to craftsmen, you are highly dependent on having a high enough population to promote craftsmen on scale. Just measly filling up a single level 1 cement factory is barely worth it. Also in the game you need high literacy too and Greece starts out in 1836 with a barely literate population. Also you need new industrial and economy techs to make Industry profitable. But even then, the same principle applies. What use is making your one cement factory a little more profitable, if countries like Prussia can have 5 of them, which have a much higher throughput and a 100% guaranteed customer base and already has most of these techs too?Greece is just a very crippled state. Most of the provinces have so few population, at the end of the game they might only have doubled in population, which is still barely worth it. There is a certain chance of increasing population each month and when you don't have enough population, you will often not get any increase in population, because the chance is so low. Meanwhile big cities like London get a constant, reliable, large increase in population, no matter what. So you have constant growth and population attraction. Your factories constantly get upgraded. Greece has none of that. It's an inherently crippled state without their actual capital Constantinople and their former Asia minor provinces. But even when they get these places in the game, it's too late, because they are mostly Turks.
>>18524581You claimed that nothing got done until burgers arrived. I countered that it was basically nonstop warfare before burgers arrived.So your response is "that means you chose to be raped because you loved interracial cocks".Do you realize how obsessed and fetishizing you come across as?
>>18524420lol the most crucial trade chokepoints between Europe and Asia is the Mediterranean because it is cheaper to ship through the Mediterranean than around Africa. We all know that Northern Europe has been economically terrorizing southern Europeans for decades now.
>>18524622Greece is mostly mountainous. This problem goes back to four crop rotation system that developed in Flanders. Northern Europeans mostly live on plains. Four crop was a genuine northern innovations because of their climatic conditions and need for rotating several crops to be efficient. This inevitably lead to population growth, the availability of flat terrain let to more farms, more food and more growth eventually leading to a major population advantage of the north against the south by the middle 1700’s which is also when the Industrial Revolution begins. Northern Europe doesn’t have those advantages anymore with modern agriculture. The south can rise again. It’s just the means with which via leadership that is lacking.
>>18524940>Northern Europe doesn’t have those advantages anymore with modern agriculture.I mean ... except for the fact that they still lack space.
>>18524935The Suez Canal didn't exist back then.
>>18524935>it is cheaper to ship through the Mediterranean than around AfricaBecause of the Suez Canal, which Britain spent a decade building and it wasn't done until 1869. Are you a retard or what?
