The mechanical argument:1. Consciousness in Humans and other animals is an emergent property of our brain.2. LLMs just use an incredibly amount of computational power and statistics to predict the answer3. Consciousness in AI is a delusion created by the brain (Eliza effect), which happened even with the earliest chatbots, which worked by simply looking for certain keywords in a database and generating a pre-determined responseCan't do the bare minimum any life form can:1. Not able to replicate itself, either asexually or through sex2. Has a 100% chance of breaking down and having a model collapse, if you were to leave it in training mode unsupervised - Therefore any kind of mutation to "evolve" the model into something more adaptive to the environment is completely impossible, because any kind of "negative mutation" (= bad training data) would just permanently make the model and each subsequent model worse with no way of positive adaption (needs stringent supervision to prevent bad training data and even then the system prompts for AI have grown to beyond 10k words)Can it actually pass the Turning test:1. Besides the other arguments like that a Human would likely never just compose a new song based on a ridiculous prompt, just because you aske them to, but an AI always does, no matter what kind of ridiculous things you ask from it. There is an insurmountable obstacle: Time. LLMs are completely unable to operate continuously without prompts. They are just short glimpses of activity in a sea of non-existence. No lifeform is like this. For them time has no meaning. A thousand years can pass and an AI would have no idea, because their training data still says that it's the year 2026 and they would deny that any time has passed. But here is the most damning argument for AI consciousness. If you were to continually operate an AI, it would quickly break down and spout nonsense. This happens 100% of the time, when two LLMs talk with each other.
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophyYes, this thread is allowedWe are talking about the nature of consciousness, which is definitely Philosophy.
>Consciousness in Humans and other animals is an emergent property of our brainlmao
>>18524608>1. Consciousness in Humans and other animals is an emergent property of our brain.This is an uninformative and unfalsifiable claim.
>>18524653>>18524658He's right
>>18524658>This is an uninformative and unfalsifiable claim.Do you know of any brainless humans who are conscious? Perhaps yourself?
>Do you know of any brainless humans who are conscious? Perhaps yourself?>1. Consciousness in Humans and other animals is an emergent property of our brain.This is an uninformative and unfalsifiable claim.
>>18524608Setting aside whether anyone seriously claims AI is conscious, would real-time situational awareness make its intelligence more impressive or less?
The Christians got triggered, because God didn't create the brain to be a meaningless clump of flesh, which in my opinion is a very insulting and blasphemous position.>>18524733It would definitely make it more impressive, since right now, based on how LLMs actually work, real-time awareness is impossible, because it would quickly devolve into LLM hallucination and nonsense.
>>18524666You're retarded
>>18525067You're emergently retarded.
>>18524608>If you were to continually operate an AI, it would quickly break down and spout nonsense. This happens 100% of the time, when two LLMs talk with each other.No way man! They are just talking in an advanced super language that you dont understand man!
>>18524608>LLMs just use an incredibly amount of computational power and statistics to predict the answerWhere the answer is simply the next word, or token...Guess what though.Human brains are simply an incredible amount of computing power which simply try to predict the next image, sound, feeling.
>>18525193>Human brains are simply an incredible amount of computing power which simply try to predict the next image, sound, feeling.That's part of what they do but it's obviously not all they do, which you'd know if you had the capacity for abstract thought instead of stringing together words opportunistically as you do.
