>>18525999


CHRISTIANITY IS UNIVERSAL, UNIVERSALISTIC AND UNIVERSALIZING; ISLAMISM IS A SELFREPLICATING VIRUS.

>>18525999
Christianity was built from the ground up to take Jewish religious beliefs and make them openly accessible outside of their tribe across the hugely diverse Roman Empire. By nature, it has to be able to slot in relatively neatly with other cultures (though fuck you if you have other gods).
Islam on the other hand is inherently Arab by nature. It was founded by Arabs, for Arabs. It uses their language, many of its practices date back to pre-Islamic days, it's built around the Arabic calendar. Unlike Judaism, however, it has a much simpler (if not outright aggressive) conversion process, and the old Caliphates offered preferential treatment for Muslims in legal and trade matters to further incentivise conversion in peacetime.

>>18525999
>Converting to Islam basically means assimilating into Arab culture
This is very obviously and observably untrue

>>18526039
It’s obviously true, niqabs weren’t a thing in pre-Islamic Indonesia for example

I'm so tired of this incel board talking about Islam from their ignorance.
Stick to intra-christian shitflinging please.

This history board allows religious discussion and it is slowly turning into the religion board as a result lol.

>>18525999
Islam didn’t become so fundamentalist until the modern period of history I believe, until the turn of the 20th century and with the rise of Saudi Arabia’s form of Islam along with being the holder of some holy cities.

Both aren’t really syncretic imo, they latched onto the major cultural themes of the major culture they first converted (Christianity and Rome, Islam first with Rome then to Iran after its conquest) then spread it across the world. Eastern religions are much easier to define as easily syncretic compared to them.

>>18526055
this
Muslims didn't start caring so much for their religion up until they made it their sole identity, you had people like al-Maarri in the city of peace of all places dunking on religion and nobody cared and it was many many centuries before the europeans started to conceive of freedom of expression.
Then some muslim chuds started to take way too much hold along with their frustration and made islam some annoying superstitious cult and muslim countries never recovered from the downward spiral of retardation.
Basically now they wear the hidjab to cosplay the times where some freak was spying on one of the prophet's wives shitting in the street and so he made up a revelation on the spot so women have to cover themselves outside to protect them from fecal creeps

>>18525999
???????????
Judeochristianity is inherently Jewish culture and traditions

Besides the Prophet there is literally nothing Arabic about Islam, in fact, Islam arose as a reaction to Arab cultural decadence

>>18525999
Because Christianity was a way to get the Gentiles to accept a mix of Judaism and Christ's teachings therefore it had to be understandable and acceptable to anyone anywhere you went. The Jews who converted to Christianity were already practicing Judaism and simply accepted Christ on top of it, but the Gentiles had to be incorporated fully into it despite not having such a background. You also have Christ fulfilling all of the old covenant so a lot of aspects that could be more strict or push people away due to Judaism's traditional views weren't there allowing more people to come to accept Christ. Then you also have Christianity being a major part of Rome which was a hotbed for trade and commerce leading to it spreading outward from there.

With Islam you have to adhere to an enormous amount of restrictions just to be a practitioner of it meaning that you start assimilating to its standards. Many aspects of it mandate this of you so people have to act more similar to each other. There's also the fact that outside of a few select countries Islam was primarily sequestered to the Middle East for millennia. Sure, you had adherents elsewhere but as a religion it was mostly relegated to a specific area and didn't really spread out until more modern times. You are also called specifically to do things like visit Mecca and do certain things that further bring you into that specific mindset, tradition, and general culture.

>>18526020
>though fuck you if you have other gods.
This is not true.
God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”
Love your neighbor as your self.
Its not, "fuck you".
Its, "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Do not tell them, "I am the messiah", but go, and present yourself to the priests as a testimony.

>>18526051
Religion is his story Anon.

that's more of a Jesuit thing, and it worked for them since they have the best conversation rate than any other order. Medieval christianity wasn't like this, it repressed pagan beliefs to the point nothing of it survived the modern era. The Jesuits believe that to discredit another religion first you had to understand it instead of outright reject it, they had to be prepared to win in a debate. They were master translators too, using cultural and religious reference from the locals to correctly translate the bible to make more sense. The side effect of that work was syncretism

>>18525999
It's literally the opposite. You can become a muslim in 30 seconds by reciting some magic words at swordpoint.

>>18526780
To revert to Islam you merely need to have faith in your heart and recite the shahada

To convert to judeochristianity you must symbolically cannibalize rabbi jewsus and acknowledge the supremacy of jews and the demon YHWH

Thread is another case of judeochristian projection

>>18525999
Islamic culture is like 90% Persian.

>>18526832
you have to say the Shahada only in Arabic, you also have to recite the Quran in Arabic only, read it in arabic only (no other translation is accepted as official), do the prayers in Arabic only, if you're a woman wear the veil, take an Arab name, keep your beard like Arabs, praying toward Mecca, going to Mecca once in your lifetime, circumcise etc
Also in general it's a religion that says Arabic is the most important language in the world because God spoke it himself to Muhammad (Arab man, the most important one in human history) and he made the biggest revelation to humanity before the final revelation of the end of times in Arabia spreading the message from there and keeping it as the core center of Islam.

bit Arab centric isn't it?

>>18527487
>you have to say the Shahada only in Arabic
Not necessarily. But it is recommended.
>you also have to recite the Quran in Arabic only
No
>read it in arabic only (no other translation is accepted as official)
I've read it in english
>do the prayers in Arabic only
Yes. This is for uniformity across the world.
>if you're a woman wear the veil
This is not arab
>take an Arab name
Reverts stick to their original names
>keep your beard like Arabs
Because beards originate from arabian peninsula. And nords for example, used to be clean shaved hairless twinks
>praying toward Mecca
Yeah, towards the qibla. Which is a direction of prayer. It used to be in Jerusalem before.

>Also in general it's a religion that says Arabic is the most important language in the world because God spoke it himself to Muhammad
God revealed the Qur'an in quraysh arabic so it could be understood by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the people he'd preach to.
>and he made the biggest revelation to humanity before the final revelation of the end of times in Arabia spreading the message from there and keeping it as the core center of Islam.
Should it have been israel, or madagascar instead?

>>18527556
>Should it have been israel, or madagascar instead?
If Allah were truly universal, he wouldn't have only revealed himself to one location. Instead, he would have revealed himself to the whole world all at once, he's omnipotent is he not?

>>18527584
The middle-east is the cradle of civilization. egypt, mesopotamia, babylon, assyria, jerusalem, syriac, persia, arabia, etc.
And the messengers in Islam were sent throughout the world.

>>18527556
You still doing you karate in the garden lad?

>>18527597
>And the messengers in Islam were sent throughout the world.
Yet the Quran only mentions ones from the Middle East and none of them were successful apparently…

>>18527636
>They say: Why hath not an angel been sent down unto him? If We (allah) sent down an angel, then the matter would be judged; no further time would be allowed them for reflection (Qur'an 6:8)
If Allah had revealed himself through a supernatural event that simultaneously occured throughout the world. There would be no matter of discussion, no reflection and no faith. Just a framework of pure complusion that collapses moral agency.
Ultimately he is the guide that weaves together destiny of mankind.
>Sons of Adam inveigh against the vicissitudes of Time. But I am Time, in My hand is the night and the day. (Scared Hadith-Qudsi 4)
Had he wanted, he could have created all of the world a single religion, a single tribe. But it is not what he ordained to test you and try your reason. Would you rely upon on your faculty of reason and discern the truth from falsehood?
>And Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you. Unto God ye will all return, and He will inform you of that wherein ye differ (5:48)

But even still, for your transgressions, his mercy encompasses everything. The only thing he doesn't forgive is associating partners with him. It is to not recognise the divine transcendent order.
>Allah, Blessed and the Most High, said:
>'O son of Adam! Indeed as long as you called upon Me and hoped in Me, I forgave you, despite whatever may have occurred from you, and I did not mind.
>O son of Adam! Were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky, then you sought forgiveness from Me, I would forgive you, and I would not mind.
>O son of Adam! If you came to me with sins nearly as great as the earth, and then you met Me, not associating anything with Me, I would come to you with forgiveness nearly as great as it.' (Sacred Hadith-qudsi 34)

>>18527660
>yet the Quran only mentions ones from the Middle East
It mentions 25 by name, some additional to the biblical accounts. But the purpose is a continuation of the the biblical narrative that serves as a reminder and a correction.
All previous tribes received guidance in some shape or form, some with their own law. But it was man that corrupted the practices, and twisted the narratives.

>>18526045
Well that's just stupidy on your part.

>>18527696
According to this retard, the implications of lack of syncretism is because to become a Muslim you must adopt its tenets, which means somehow that all cultural elements before Islamization were obliterated as well, but this doesn't count for any other religion.

>>18527660
>There would be no matter of discussion, no reflection and no faith. Just a framework of pure complusion that collapses moral agency.
Pretty sure that’s the whole point since he’s deadset on humanity worshiping him alone. “Free will” is a meme since he still sends us to hell for doing things he doesn’t like (ultimately making our choices redundant)

>>18527662
>All previous tribes received guidance in some shape or form, some with their own law. But it was man that corrupted the practices, and twisted the narratives.
Even if we accept this claim at face value, why would Muhammed somehow be an exceptional? Considering that Umar burnt alternative manuscripts of the Quran, it’s not far off to claim he corrupted Muhammed’s message

>>18527708
>why would Muhammed somehow be an exception?
Because he's the seal of the Prophets. His revelation wasn't meant for a single tribe or people. It's meant for the whole of humanity, and Allah is the one who has promised to preserve it.
>It is certainly We (Allah) Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it (Qur'an 15:9)

>it's not far off to claim he corrupted Muhammed’s message
Who knows but that's an external critique, not an internal one.
>“Free will” is a meme since he still sends us to hell for doing things he doesn’t like (ultimately making our choices redundant)
That doesn't follow logically. A majority of muslims believe in a form of theological compatibalism, but with real moral agency.
>Lo! We offered the Trust (agency) unto the heavens and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man assumed it.
>Lo! he hath proved a tyrant and a fool (Qur'an 33:72)
Man bears His Trust. The heavens and the earth, celestial bodies, prostrate in perfect obedience before god, as they fear carrying the crushing burden, that Allah's humble servant assumed. His soul was therein inspired with rebellion, and so he could have accountability before his creator. But man has so far proved to be an ignorant fool in light of this.
>Pretty sure that’s the whole point since he’s deadset
Muslims believe in a purity of being, we doctrinally reject the original-sin as articulated by St. Augustine. The grounding of moral agency and capacity for good comes from the one's fitrah (similar to nous). It's faculty of reason and innate predisposition to God that every man is created upon. Humanity is not a cursed existence constantly bearing the sins of our fathers, they are capable of reaching God and monotheism, without ever hearing of the Qur'an. This is why there were muslims throughout the world, even before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was born.

>>18525999
>Islam
You don't understand the meaning of the word. You believe Islam has to do with some culture. That's not it.

>Christianity
You also don't know the meaning of the word. Those are not cultures or ideologies, those are paths to God, the same Goal.

>>18528186
>You don't understand the meaning of the word. You believe Islam has to do with some culture. That's not it.
On a functional level, it very much does.

Yeah, bro. Christianity is like super similar to the indigenous religions of America.

>>18527707
hell+purgatory, they're essentially the same realm and barely anyone will pass by without entering hell in some way to my knowledge, this implies hell is as much a place of punishment as it's a mental institution.
Think about someone who is a usurious sodomite, he would likely be sent to a usurious Sodom for he polluted his soul with them, but if he had a grain of faith he would be cleansed, however gruesome the process and ultimately enter heaven with said grain of faith.
Your will is there, it's just not comparable as equal or superior to God's, in fact it would probably be accurate to say it's entirely due to and subordinate to said will

>>18526087
Can you tell us more about the street shitting story? It sounds made up

>>18528212
You don't know what a functional level is, but you believe you do.