>Iranian leftists be like "yeah nah chill bro the openly and loudly self declared religious fundamentalists are gonna mellow out and then WE will take over!>ACK!Genuinely what the FUCK were these jackasses thinking at the time? Imagine if the Bolsheviks were facing a rival religious Orthodox party and their take on it was "yeah let's just be cool with them and see how this goes, what could go wrong lol"
>>18526931This is what happens when you place hating the west above ideological consistency
>>18526931Khomeini was flown in from France and they thought he was a Gandhi type guy
this >>18526941they are kind of like trannies who have "solidarity" with BIPOC muslims due to their mutual hate of western civilization, but will implode faster than the oceangate sub the moment their "allies" gain power
>>18526931>fuck Muslim shitskins>except when I'm forced to agree with leftists>then I suddenly love Muslims
>>18526931Leftists are constantly underestimating actively reactionary forces like this for some reason. Somewhat similarly, the Communists in Germany in the 30s believe it was preferable for Hitler to come to power because he would eventually fail and they could take power. But it's particularly bizarre in Iran's case since Khomeini was effectively the leader of the Revolution right away. Protestors were carrying giant signs with his face on them while the Shah was still in power.
>>18526941I was going to make a long post but you summed it up pretty well...You can make up pretty complicated mental gymnastics about colonialism imperialism etc at the end of the day if you support a fundamentalist you are fucking retarded
>>18527344>the Communists in Germany in the 30s believe it was preferable for Hitler to come to power because he would eventually fail and they could take power.Kinda true tho at least for the east half of the country.
Today there are muslims in europe playing the same>Actually I'm progressive I can see beyond the social constructs etc...But actually I think it's best described as religious people being on the stage 3 of rational development described by David Chapman, while they pretend to be level 5 and postmodernists that went "beyond rationality". They were not rational to begin with.Just ask these muslims if women should be beaten upon suspicion of disobedience and they will make up insane whataboutist rants about the west not protecting women's rights or something.Like always, the cowardice of activists to speak up their minds against corruptors leads to terrible autocratic regimes
>>18527339I actually don't like Muslims and I wish Iran had had their own Kemalist-type secular Republic
>>18527712That was what the Shah was trying to do except he was retarded
>>18527544Hah good point, but i think few of those around in the 30s would have lived to see it.
>>18526931because they didn't have enough influence to achieve their goals on their own hence why they allied with the fundementalists (and really the other groups involved in the shahs overthrow), plus in all fairness said fundamentalists being able to achieve absolute dominance was more the result of the Iran Iraq war which gave them the perfect opportunity to consolidate power
>>18526931It was 1979, no one took religious reactionaries seriously, they'd been taking L after L for over a century at that point. It wasn't like today.Even the US initially thought the commies would win out.
>>18526931Did the author kill herself or was it just illness?
>>18527712>>18527727>Kemalist IranU G H
>>18527892Unclear. According to the family she "died of sadness" after the death of her husband a little over a year ago, and she had been posting lots of spooky one word posts on her instagram that created linked messages about her depression and how she had lost the love of her life. In the graphic novel she does talk about having mental health issues and suicide attempts as a teenager. So I think its more likely than not that it was suicide. If it was illness I feel like the family would not have been so vague to say she died of sadness.
Under the Shah 20% of the population was nomadic, the majority of people were illiterate, the nation's vast natural resources were bequeathed wholesale to the Anglo-Iranian oil companies while the people of Iran starved in the streets.The pictures of women in bikinis and without hijabs have represented the children of a 3000-year-old hierarchy, just newly dressed up. They were never more than .001% of the total population. Remember that the Persepolis author was literally part of previous royal dynasty. Just like every Cuban "refuge" in Miami they trot out in front of the cameras turns out fled the revolution because they were the owner of a literal slave plantation.
>>18527727The Shah was a dumbass for trying to uplift the Iranian population. Muslims don’t want to modernize, the whole point of the religion is LARPing as a member of one of those three generations that lived in Mecca after Muhammad.Compare Iran to the other Islamic kingdom which saw chaos in 1979, Saudi Arabia. The Saudis recognized the Saudi people wanted a strict theocracy, gave it to them and survived. The Shah tried to avoid that and lost. Moral of the story? If you rule over Muslims don’t try to improve things, keep them under theocratic law.
>>18527936Unreal how that rule ended up applying to both Central Asian and Peninsular Arab Muslims. People with completely alien genealogies, folkways, characters. Hackett Fisher can suck it
>>18527936Better lesson is people want what they can't have. Liberalizing country? People are going to go apeshit and commit a massacre out of religious fervor. Brutal theocracy? You'll quickly get some of the highest rates of irreligiosity and secularism, with widespread protests against morality laws
>>18527900Name?
>>18527963Marjane Satrapi
>>18527930>mUh LoW lItErAcY rAtEsContrary to popular belief, the imperial government actually attempted to reduce illiteracy. In 1925, the literacy rates were only less than 5% and by 1979, it was over 50%. Today's Iran having high literacy rates is only due to institutions that the shah put in place>mUh ImPoVeRiShEd PoPulAtIoNIn 1979 the poverty rates were 20% and today it's 40%. While there was significant poverty, the imperial government at least made actual attempts to eradicate it via the White Revolution. Nowadays, the Islamic Republic meanwhile doesn't even acknowledge the mass poverty rates in Iran and instead focuses all funds towards funding Shia militias like Hezbollah and Houthis as well as building more mosques than needed>Remember that the Persepolis author was literally part of previous royal dynastyShe isn’t? She came from a leftist that helped overthrow the shah, is a leftist herself, and she believes both the Islamic republic and United States are equally bad. None of this is hidden or obscure knowledge, she directly states this several times in her book>mUh SlAvE pLaNtAtIoNsNo such thing, you are schizophrenic
>>18526931>Imagine if the BolsheviksDidn't the Bolsheviks come into power a similar way themselves? I don't know much about it, but I remember a thread stating that the Bolshevik seizure of power was miraculous, and partly depended on the democratic leftists in Russia consenting to a temporary dictatorship under the pretense that Lenin was going to eventually institute a softer and democratic government.
>>18527344>the Communists in Germany in the 30s believe it was preferable for Hitler to come to power because he would eventually fail and they could take power.Come to think of it, in recent years I recall several "accelerationists" being glad at extremely progressive policies being enacted, as they claimed this would further disillusion the public with progressivism and entice them to support fascism. Looks like the horseshoe theory was proven true again.
>>18526931Op is regarded or more likely a zio shill. Islamists came in power (as always) becouse of cia op. Ironically that's exactly what the west tried to do by supporting the whites, luckily the bolsheviks butchered the western lapdogs like they deserved.
>>18528246the author of persepolis is dead
>>18527534>You can make up pretty complicated mental gymnastics about colonialism imperialism etc at the end of the day if you support a fundamentalist you are fucking retardedIs that the narrative your jewish overlords are telling you?
>>18528246>She isn’t? She came from a leftist that helped overthrow the shah, is a leftist herself, and she believes both the Islamic republic and United States are equally bad. None of this is hidden or obscure knowledge, she directly states this several times in her bookNTA but while this is true her great grand father was in fact a previous Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naser_al-Din_Shah_Qajar and she was obviously well off enough she could be sent out of the country. Still she's not at all like a Cuban exile, her family didn't even flee the country and she even returned there for a few years. A lot of people get upset she wrote a book that made the IRI look bad.
>>18527712No one gives a fuck what you want. Fuck off from iran and kys.
Khomeini was far from perfect but the way he treated communists was exactly what communists deserve.
>>18528246Lol just outright lying that can be fact checked with a quick google search. Israel isn't even trying anymore.>Her grandfather was a prince of the Qajar dynasty. He was the son of Naser al-Din Shah Qajar, the last shah before the Pahlavi dynasty.
>>18526931Mullahs were working for the west. Some still do.
>>18528246>both the Islamic republic and United States are equally badshe is right, islamic republic was installed by CIA
>>18526931Leftists don't understand that the majority of people would love a traditionalist state like Afghanistan or IranAmerican Christians wish they could enforce their petty little Biblical laws on the others. Its just human nature to love your traditional religion
>>18527339>>18527712>>18527896>>18530482Iran should go back it indigenous religion.Wish I could use a time machine and tell him to stay Buddhist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuyEl6cR_-s
>>18527896Imagine a Kemalist/Francoist-like Germany?
>>18530482>islamic republic was installed by CIAEven before the shah was overthrown, those protesting against him including communists paraded images of the ayatollah. So no the CIA did not create the Islamic republic, in fact they were surprised that the Islamists took power since they thought communists would take power
>>18529802Her family is leftist and they helped overthrow the shah. Them being distantly related to a previous dynasty that was already deposed means nothing.
>>18528703>Naser al-Din Shah QajarSomewhat Persian equivalent of Felix of Schwarzenberg, Otto Bismarck, Pyotr Stolypin, and Yuan Shikai
>>18530816that is why west backed islamists and that is why ussr leadership(compromised) betrayed iranian red by sending troops into Afghanistan instead of Iran as it was planned
