>war sucks brothis zoomer seems to be having the time of his life, imagine being able to kill people with impunity, they cannot hiide, run or strike back, best they can do is beg you to spare them, and you can kill them all while seeing the action in 4k.all this paid for by the government
>>18529194Why do you think this drone operator is himself immune to drone or artillery strikes? There’s adrenaline and a feeling of success soldiers feel in war, but this is abruptly offset by the dampening effect of being in a miserable situation oneself. It’s what makes Junger’s Storm of Steel a very interesting in its perspective.
>>18529234with starlink you could be in London piloting a drone in ukraine while your girlfriend sucks your cock.without latency, atleast according to the ukes
>>18529194This is exactly why you whites are hated, you are evil scum. Russians don't go around mocking the dead, they treat enemies with respect, it is only you white pieces of shit who mock not only combatants but kids and women caught in the crossfire, posting videos of dead kids and editing Biden or Trump pooping on their head and dancingRemember whites, every single bit of hatred the rest of the planet has against you, you deserve it. Do better
>>18529265>Russians don't go around mocking the dead, they treat enemies with respectlmao even you don't believe that ivan
>>18529194If war is so great then why isn't the person on the left on the front lines getting droned himself you dumbass?
Not a fan of these compilations of Russian soldiers dying badly set to upbeat slavic music, the whole thing feels kind of ghoulish. But I suppose I'd feel differently if my country was being invaded, and as the Ukrainians like to point out, Russia does not have a draft so all these people getting droned in a ditch somewhere voluntarily signed up for this.
>>18529265Russians dont even bury their own dead soldiers.
>>18529269dying sucks, killing does not
>>18529249That’s retarded. Drone technology is most deadly in the near range to circumvent jamming and other means of interference. This is depicted consistently by both sides in frontline films like 2000 meters to Avdiika or Russians at War. After near 5 years of this death war, you’d expect the factions would pump out less mind numbing claims. Even that guy in the video is in a decrepit abandoned Donbass apartment judging the stairs.
>>18529284*2000 meters to Andriivka
>>18529275Killing also sucks unless you're a sociopath
>>18529194this looks so fucking fake
>>18529194if you're a normal person do you get messed up from doing that and have nightmares about the faces of all the people you killed for the rest of your life or is it cool because you only killed people who were actively invading your homeland?
remember when war used to be chivalrous, guess the world isn't white anymore
>>18529324You redditor cultist have spammed the exact same webms all over /k/. Stop spreading your gay porn you LARPING faggot ass
>>18529324It’s usually both, and a mental struggle between them. Usually war veterans who feel that their war was just genuinely feel pride for the fact that they carried themselves through hell for good of their nation, but they still feel horrible about individual acts of killing.Now there are tons of factors that affect that equation, some valid and some copes, some of the latter being effective and some not, but the point is that it will usually be an eternal mental seesaw to deal with stuff like that. I guess that in this case, it probably helps to know that Ukraine is genuinely just defending themselves and most importantly, invaders are mostly volunteers. Killing someone who’s been forced to battlefield against their will would feel rather depressing even if it was necessary, but killing some willing mercenary opportunists would be *much* easier to reconcile with. And especially if the target belonged to some ideological fanatic unit as Rusich etc., then you could seriously just tell yourself that you just made the world a better place.
>>18529353vatnigger freakouthttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g44gprnnvo>The BBC has so far been able to confirm the names of 223,539 soldiers and officers, killed fighting for the Russian side in Ukraine.
>>18529393>along with mediazona>page is full of pro-lgbt content Surprise surprise
>>18529393>Keeping track using newspapers and social mediaLmao yeah fuckin right
>>18529194I can't really respect anyone not directly involved in the conflict who nonetheless still regularly follows it. It's an information black hole and everything said about it is worthless unless its in hindsight.Plus, I have no idea who finds this bizarre slavic nonsense propaganda attractive.
>>18529341This is a work of self-parody, clearly.>>18529440Besides slavs, of course.
>>18529387I helped blow up ISIS fighters and I feel pretty good about it. The motivations and actions of the enemy really make all the difference.
>>18529440low iq cope to justify being perma low info.you are basically subhuman.
>>18529473you're also low info>nuh uh I'm redpilled and get all my hekkin esoteric knowledge from /pol/
>>18529473Whatever man, go back to laughing at the bloopers of people being blown apart. Debate whether some grainy footage is a tank, or a man, or a dog, or a hallucination over some chips. Maybe sit back on your couch and enjoy some airstrike footage.
>>18529194>>18529234>>18529269>>18529324>>18529341they said all this same shit about artillery/snipers/bombers 110 years ago
>>18529440It's just a bunch of grifters. They create fake videos using After Effects and pretend to be Ukrainian soldiers on social media and retarded ass redditors donate them money
>>18529556>bombersNah, at least not when they were introduced since you had to gain air superiority first before actually doing anything useful with them. Some drones are used to deliberately kill civilians without plausible deniability of dropping tons of bombs over a munitions factory and hoping nothing soft got hit.
>>18529324It's complicated. Guilt is almost always present in some form, but the neocortex can numb it and repeated exposure can desentivise one. Then there's adrenaline that rewards you for succeeding in a task. Guilt exist because it is not beneficial for a species to make killing one's own easy.However, Guilt can be tricked temporarily. Framing the enemy as a completely different species (e.g., calling them pests, monsters, or subhuman), or hyper-inflating the local "in-group" (your squad, your platoon). The biological drive to protect this group is dialed up so high that it overrides the natural aversion to killing the other group.The Neocortex (Rational Brain): It creates the narrative. It says, "If I don't shoot, my friends die." It rationalizes the action to keep you moving forward.The Amygdala & Hindbrain (Survival Brain): This part doesn't care about politics; it cares about threat elimination. With repeated exposure, the brain stops treating the act of killing as a novel, shocking event and starts treating it as a routine operational task. This is how soldiers compartmentalize."War is fun, even if killing is horrible" is a taboo truth that many veterans acknowledge.During combat, the body is flooded with a cocktail of adrenaline, noradrenaline, and dopamine. Surviving a lethal encounter triggers a massive chemical reward. It is the ultimate "high."The "fun" or exhilaration comes from the intense bonding with comrades, the hyper-focus, and the triumph of survival.However, many soldiers experience severe guilt because they felt a rush of pleasure or satisfaction when killing, confusing a biological survival reflex with moral malice.Ideology and necessity matter immensely. A soldier's psychological trauma is heavily influenced by how much they believe in the legitimacy of their cause, even if many do it for money. This creates a massive psychological buffer against guilt.
>>18529665When a soldier leaves the hyper-focused ecosystem of a combat zone and returns to civilian life, the psychological walls of pseudospeciation often crumble. The neocortex stops viewing the enemy as an abstract threat or a different species and starts recognizing them as a fellow human being, a father, a brother, a son.The moment the brain registers the person killed as part of the broader human "in-group," the evolutionary circuit breaker flips back on, and the floodgates of profound guilt and moral injury open up.A sense of moral clarity, ideology, or feeling of superiority reduces guilt, but it does not completely eliminate trauma. The raw, sensory shock of taking a life (the sights, sounds, and smells) can still bypass your rational mind and trigger PTSD later, even if you believe you did the right thing.Not everyone develops life-long PTSD but it is common enough.Human reactions to killing fall across a wide spectrum:The Naturally Resilient (60–70%): Many "normal" people go to war, kill in defense of their country, come home, process it, and live relatively normal lives. They may have occasional bad dreams or regrets, but they do not develop debilitating, lifelong PTSD.The Traumatized: A significant percentage do suffer from nightmares, intrusive thoughts, and "moral injury", a specific type of trauma that occurs when you violate your own deeply held moral beliefs, even out of necessity.The Total Absence of Guilt: Only a very small percentage (often linked to psychopathic traits or severe operational hardening) feel absolutely nothing or genuine joy from the act of killing itself, absent of the survival context.
>>18529324The human brain cannot easily distinguish between the neurochemical cocktail of extreme mortal danger and extreme thrill. When you survive, the brain dumps a massive payload of dopamine and endorphins as a reward for staying alive.War produces a tragic double-injury here: when soldiers return home, they don't just feel guilt for the act of killing; they feel profound secondary guilt for remembering the rush of it as the most exhilarating, "alive" moment of their lives.
>>18529194The simple fact remains that I am a Superman and you are an asiatic subhuman because I was born in a village sixty miles away from you and pronounce/ spell some words differently. I hope I can explain Bandera race theory to you well.
>>18529194Isn't this is a war crime? It looks like he's surrendering. He could easily be prosecuted if so.
>>18529265B… but I totally look cool Neofolk and “fash wave” posed next to a dead civilian body? All my Neonazi friends say I look cool.
>>18529669You talk like a total fag.
>>18529194>>18529681>clearly unarmed>visibly injured>making frantic submissive gesturesThis is a war crime by any definition. The defense of "battlefield confusion" or "I didn't know he was injured" disappears. Even if the drone operator couldn't physically fly down and handcuff the soldier, they had an immediate, highly feasible alternative to dropping a bomb: they could have simply flown away.The biggest hurdle to prosecution isn't the law itself. The law is quite clear that killing a defenseless, wounded person is illegal. The hurdles are identification and jurisdiction.Drone feeds posted online are often stripped of metadata. Investigators would need to trace the unit, the specific time and date of the video, and determine exactly who was sitting at the control console.If the operator's home country refuses to investigate them, international courts can only step in if they have jurisdiction over the territory or if the operator travels to a country that will extradite them.
>>18529686You wrote all this shit and you don't even know what a war crime is. You think a soldier participating in an invasion of a foreign country is entitled to be treated like a civilian? You are a joke.
>>18529681No, why would it be? He's dressed in uniform, he's part of an invasion force, actively infiltrating enemy territory on orders from his commanders. He's a perfectly valid target under any rules of war you care to name. He's not surrendering, either, he's begging for mercy. There are no rules of war anywhere that say you must spare somebody begging for mercy.
>>18529693>>18529696The Geneva Conventions do not care who started the war, who is the invader, or who is the defender. The laws of armed conflict apply equally to everyone the second a war begins.A combatant can be legally shot, bombed, and killed while they are actively fighting. But the exact moment that combatant is severely wounded, disarmed, and surrendering, their status legally changes to hors de combat (out of combat).
>>18529686>>18529194If the video is real, and the split-screen actually captures the true operator at the exact moment of the strike, it is a prosecutor's dream. It solves the hardest part of a war crimes case: proving intent and individual responsibility.Instead of trying to guess which unit flew the drone, the video effectively links the face of the pilot directly to the illegal act of striking an unarmed, injured person. However, because it's posted on the internet, it remains "alleged" until digital forensic experts can prove the two halves of that split-screen actually belonged together.Neither the Ukrainian government nor its Western allies, let alone the Russians, are likely to prioritize prosecuting their own drone operators for battlefield strikes, even if those strikes sit in a massive legal and ethical violation zone.For example, investigative journalists and Ukrainian authorities used Telegram videos, leaked databases, and facial recognition to identify specific Russian drone pilots (from units like the 8th Artillery Regiment and the 404th Motor Rifle Regiment) who were filming themselves conducting drone strikes. Once identified, prosecutors were able to issue formal war crimes charges in absentia. The same is true for Russia. Russian intelligence services run the frames of the operator's face through massive facial recognition databases, cross-referencing them with leaked Ukrainian government data, social media profiles (like Instagram, Facebook, or VK), and military databases to pull a real name. Because Russia cannot physically arrest a drone operator sitting in Ukraine either, they hold trials in absentia. Russian military courts regularly convict Ukrainian soldiers, officers, and drone pilots this way, sentencing them to 10, 15, or 20 years in prison. Once convicted, the individual is placed on Russia's official federal and international wanted lists.The conviction never expires.
>>18529696This is entirely false. You are arguing semantics to justify an execution. Under Article 41 of the Geneva Conventions (Additional Protocol I), a combatant is legally protected if they are hors de combat (out of the fight). The law states a person is out of the fight if:"He clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or He is defenseless because of unconsciousness, sickness, or wounds.""Begging for mercy" while unarmed and severely injured is a clear communication that the soldier is defenseless and no longer resisting. Furthermore, the law explicitly protects soldiers who are simply incapacitated by wounds, even if they are physically unable to perform a formal surrender ritual.
>>18529697>A combatant can be legally shot, bombed, and killed while they are actively fightingWell guess what: he was actively fighting. He was fully kitted out, armed, and engaging in infiltration under military orders as a combatant. Hors de Combat only applies to the status of individuals prior to engagement. I.e., if you come across somebody who is defenseless, not somebody who is in fighting condition who you then neutralize. You could claim his begging qualifies as an attempt to surrender, but you can't legally surrender to a drone. There's no way for anyone to accept his surrender or take him prisoner without exposing themselves to enemy fire, which the Geneva conventions specifically mention is an exception to the rule of accepting surrenders. Ergo, they have no obligation to accept his surrender, and they can keep treating him like a combatant. He would die of his injuries anyway since Russia barely ever bothers to retrieve their wounded.
>>18529719This is completely false and contradicts the entire purpose of the Geneva Conventions. If hors de combat only applied to people who were already defenseless before a battle started, it would mean you could legally execute every single wounded enemy soldier on a battlefield after a firefight.The law is designed precisely for the transition from active fighter to defenseless casualty. The entire point of the law is that the moment a combatant becomes incapacitated during or after engagement, you must stop attacking them.The drone element is a heavily debated topic in modern lawfare, true, but you are twisting it to justify murder. While it is true that a healthy, uninjured soldier cannot easily surrender to an FPV drone, that argument completely evaporates the moment the soldier is severely wounded.A soldier does not need to successfully complete a "surrender ritual" to be protected if they are incapacitated by wounds. Their protection under hors de combat triggers automatically because they are physically incapable of fighting or escaping. International law does recognize that a military unit is not required to walk into an active machine-gun crossfire to physically handcuff a surrendering enemy.However, that exception says you don't have to rescue or collect them at that exact moment. It absolutely does not give you permission to keep dropping bombs on them.If you cannot safely retrieve a wounded, pleading enemy because of incoming fire, your legal obligation is to leave them alone. Refusing to risk your life to capture them is legal; actively dropping another munition to finish them off while they are helpless is an execution.>"He would die of his injuries anyway since Russia barely ever bothers to retrieve their wounded."This is perhaps the most legally absurd point. In no court of law on Earth can you argue: "I executed a defenseless person, but it's not murder because they probably would have died of medical neglect later anyway."
How does laws of war even apply to drones to begin with?
>>18529701it's just two random videos edited together
>>18529725That's like asking how laws of war applies to guns (guns don't kill people, people kill people, dumb liberal)but in reality I'm pretty sure the method of execution or what individual soldier carried said execution is irrelevant because ultimately it's their host nation that is sanctioned and tried under international law. Individual soldiers can be punished by their own host nation as they see fit though in order to discourage them from carrying out war crimes iirc.
>>18529724>While it is true that a healthy, uninjured soldier cannot easily surrender to an FPV drone, that argument completely evaporates the moment the soldier is severely wounded.Russia has been arming severely wounded soldiers and sending them back in assault units unless they pay bribes to their officers though. There are videos of soldiers in wheelchairs being sent to the front.
>>18529194this war is never going to end, the only way it could end if something so significant and disastrous happens world-wide that russia pulls out without anyone noticing or caring. the war is realistically going to end when putin takes all of the separatist regions (in like 10 from now on at this rate)
>>18529194Judeochristian cruelty will never stop to amuse me, absolutely wicked subhuman behaviorAnd they do that to even fellow judeochristians like OP video
>>18529734Hey, I've seen this one before! This one's a classic!
>>18529730Ok, but like, to make a sentence, you would have to identify which guy piloted the pilot? What if said drone was run by AI?
>>18529265>Russians don't go around mocking the dead, they treat enemies with respect, it is only you white pieces of shit who mock not only combatants but kids and women caught in the crossfire, posting videos of dead kids and editing Biden or Trump pooping on their head and dancingI really wish this shitpost was true, maybe the war in Sudan would be less bloody
>>18529324The Russians performed an unprecedentedly successful campaign of dehumanizing themselves in the eyes of the Ukrainians.Literally every single adult Ukrainian had relatives/friends in Russia with whom they've attempted to have a conversation in 2014 or in 2022, only to be hit by a zombified repeating of the state propaganda about how (You), their cousin they've personally known for 30 years, is actually a judeo-banderite nazi who deserves getting your head put on a pike (which also doesn't happen).Watching videos of Russians getting droned is like watching videos of vets removing ticks from dogs.
>>18529686So the actual anti-drone tech is to just drop your weapons and look sorry when you see one?I can't see militaries going for that. Most of the huff about the ethics of drone strikes during the Obama years was about the way in which phrases like "enemy combatants" were used to greenlight pre-emptive killing in places the US wasn't even at war with. Trump might have cranked that particular dial to 11 when he assassinated an Iranian general in Iraq, but the OP vid (assuming it isn't fake and gay of course) is in an active warzone between actual combatants. If killing a bunch of people with a drone launched missile isn't a problem when a president does it, why should it be a war crime when some Ukrainian soldier does it?
>>18529686All these videos are fake, don't worry
>>18530165This. The issue with current conventions on war crimes is that they were written when wars were about soldiers on the ground carrying the weapons or performing the crimes themselves, but now you got missiles, drones, AI, cyberattacks and other forms of warfare where it blurs the line about what even counts as a combatant or who is actually responsible.
>these videos are fake>these are warcrimes>russia is winningbrown zigger shills are amongst the dumbest subhumans on this site
>>18530029Nice inverted reality there.I guess all that initial Russian effort to minimize impact beyond removing a hated, corrupt government and a bunch of neonazi football hooligan militias really paid off.If a whole nation convinces itself that extinction is preferable to peaceful coexistence, maybe they really should get their wish.
Why do ukrainians and russians even hate each other when they are both Mongolian rape babies
>>18530640Ukraine was the only state within the USSR that made anything of value. That's where most of the Soviet Unions top engineers and scientists came from and made up a significant portion of the Soviet economy. When the USSR fell it put Ukraine and Russia in an awkward position because Ukraine wants closer ties to the west but Russia doesn't want to lose access to their former biggest breadwinner. Russian politicians pushed for the invasion of Ukraine on the promise of some boomer-tier RETVRN to Soviet-era prosperity and pan-Slavism (under the guise of Ukrainians being Nazis o algo) and Ukraine just wants their own sovereignty
>>18530649>former biggest breadwinnerUkraine's economy tanked in the 90s and they never recovered, they were on their way to sink to the poverty and corruption levels of Moldavia even before Maidan.And the only "sovereignity" their post-Maidan rulers wanted was to become a forward base for the neocon warmongers.
>>18530492>war crimes>"if" these videos are realIts obvious that Russia is doing whatever they want in the country because they don't have redditors sharing tik tok and instagram slop as prrof they're "winning."The bullshit you faggots spam on /k/ looks incredibly fake and gay.
>>18529594the first bombings of places like London and Warsaw in ww1 were before any concept of air superioritythe zeppelins would attack at night with cloud cover and drop their shells over towns in cities with no thought other than hoping they hit something they would fly over paris literally just tossing grenades down on the streets with propaganda leafletsi think one of the first german plane bombings of england were done by guys literally dropping bombs with their hands while trying to fly over government buildings and train stations- and that was a attempt to actually target something, later gotha bomber or whatever attacks would actually target port facilities and railway hubs but the tech wasn't there yet to make accurate bombing of installations during daylightand they had shit like the paris gunbombing was originally entirely a phycological/moral tactic to indiscriminately target people at homethe ideas of>plausible deniability of dropping tons of bombs over a munitions factory and hoping nothing soft got hitdidn't happen till ww2 and just before
>>18530492In all fairness we've also had three years of the NAFO crowd claiming that Russia is only X days/months away from collapse/running out of armaments and/or men etc
>>18530806https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qi0Xid5oXjkJust watch this video and tell me its not fake. Not only is it goofy with all the faggy cinematic editing, you have to believe that a random """Russian soldier"""" is riding around on an ATV, hits a jump and suspends magically into the air like a cartoon, and the drone operator manages to hit him in mid-air as hes flying into the sky. Its so fuckin stupid.
>>18529556they said the same thing about gunpowder
>>1852927599% percent of people hate killing and seeing people die, you have adrenaline at the time and afterwards there's adjustment and copingbut it always fucks with you, ask any combat vet or watch interviews
The amount we talk about war on here and the number of you idiots that have never read anything about combat phycology or even any memoirs is wild.
>>18529194Imagine dying to a real life soijak
>>18529194> then he gets caught by ruskies and some buryat transitions him with a boxcutter
>>18530880Recommend some. Please.
>>18529267Don't project, Taras. Russians, at least until recently, weren't doing that shit specifically due to the doomer mentality + certain superstitions ( aka today you laugh about deaths tomorrow you are the one dying).Piggers and limpdicked nafoids from europe are the ones who are genuinely surprised by the whole concept of people shooting back at them.
>>18529271> my country was invadedPiggers were that ghoulish before the invasion towards "their own civvies" in the east. "Colorado beetle female" comes to kind as the goto example.Hell, fuckers were ghoulish to Russians in 2013 when Volgograd had its train station blown up. Russian propagandists specifically were using that to incite hatred - just throw a link or two on Ukrainian news site, or euromaidan public, and the job would be done.
>>18529288With the correct motivation, almost everyone can become OK with killing, and a lot of people will gladly do it even without justification, just on power tripping alone
>>18529194Snowniggers are so violent and sadistic
>>18529681Ukrainians are known for perfidy, so they project.
>>18529440all it has convinced me is that slavs aren't human, i want them all to kill each other
>>18530029Yeah except the inverse were true and it's pigger relatives gobbling the kool-aid about their racial superiority and the delusion that Europe will funnel the money into " second france" and other straight up " we wuz rus and shieeet" bullshit.Why are you lying, Taras?
>>18530640Ukraine is the " wewuz" of Europe. Which was annoying before, and became infuriating once they started forcing that shit as governmental politics.Also, if we don't take delusions of Putin into account, Russians know their place in the global hierarchy and are aware of it. Ukrainians pulling off the " we are europe" while being a concentration of all the worst shit in Russia throughout its history, is another cause of hatred.Basically, imagine crossbreed between shithole like Alabama and Ohio and afromerican delusion about how they are superior to white devil and were center of civilization.There are also civil stereotypes about Ukrainians being one of the worst kind of people, a Slavic hillbillies similar to kubanoids - as stupid and untrustworthy as they are greedy and petty (when hohol was born, jew cried etc.)Having some of the relatives from Ukraine, I'd say it goes way long before the current conflict and, despite what propaganda tries to say about that mythical brotherhood, before even USSR was a thing.
>>18531128why do brown people hate ohio so much
>>18530649> only part of USSR that made anything of value.Kazakhstan and Belarus beg to differ. Especially considering that the only thing that cameout of Ukraine after the war were Evangelical shit like Copeland's mission and other sects crawling out to Eastern Europe.That and bunch of prostitutes as well as cheese pizza.That's where the hatred about donbass even came in the first place - at least the vatniggers in the east had coal mining and heavy industry, while the western part had only their century long pain of either polaks fucking them raw or soviets.
>>18530837Reminder that Nafo and AFU used to put footage of Arma3 as proof of their winning.Called it 'psychological warfare' when they got caught with it.
>>18531129Because it has weeb sounding name.
>>18529265Da comrade Ramesh, russians of very respectful of the dead:https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-group-cemetery-flattened-1822666
>>18531136>mfw zhills are still buttbroken by meme dogs after all these yearsAt least soviet propaganda was convincing, try harder HIVan.
>>18531108>piggershuh?
