Hot take: Indians wouldn't have gotten genocided if they were capable of co-existing peacefully with others.
>>18530114Isn’t just applicable to them though, it’s just human nature.
>>18530114They died because they weren't spiritual enough.Had they been less materialistic, they would've easily formed a consensus about the benefits they can get outta the illegal immigrants being worth less than keeping America American.So your future of owning nothing and being happy is the highest form of patriotism.
>>18530114It wasn't just their lives they were fighting for, but their ways and unpolluted lands, you twat
>>18530114>peacefully try to co-exist >get forced out>try to stay in your own spaces that you willingly compromised on through legal treaties >still get forced out>try to stand up for themselves>get forced out>fight back>get forced outI feel like settlers and Americans just wanted them to die so they can trade their bones and cultural relics as commodities to speculate on while larping their native ancestry so they can make themselves seem more "OG".
>>18530261It's a fact of reality that nomadic societies have less real bargaining power than agrarian societies. This is due to the reality of surplus*. Those with higher surplus* have higher bargaining power. This is also why hunter-gatherers routinely practice total tribal extermination. When the war is finished, and the enemy is defeated, they have nothing to bargain with, so the most advantageous incentive to the winner is to exterminate them all so they're never a threat again.
>>18530114But the americans were the ones constantly breaking treaties and compromises and jumping at every opportunity they could get to force the injuns out
>>18530269The overwhelming majority of native americans in the continental united states were settled agrarian societies, not nomads. The US army didn't begin fighting nomadic societies until the tail end of American expansion in the 19th century.
>>18530114That's bullshit because the most peaceful and civilized indian tribes also got genocided (Five Civilized Tribes, California Mission Indians, Salish Indians, Chinook Indians) and the ones that were the most brutal and fought the settlers the most survived and got reservations (Comanche, Apache, Ute, Sioux)I mean the Cherokee were already completely civilized and coexisting with the U.S with a western style government, they had their reservation lands in Alabama and the white settlers still wanted the land even though its in the middle of nowhere
>>18530293how much surplus did they have? to them, they had surplus land, and a lack of firearms. thus we see their trade deals involving selling land and buying firearms.
>>18530114Look what happened to the five civilized tribes. They did their best to adapt and coexist with whites but they still got fucked.
>>18530293>The overwhelming majority of native americans in the continental united states were settled agrarian societies, not nomadsSome of them were semi-urban societies too (Pueblo, Mound Builders etc) but the urbanized natives were the most susceptible to European diseases so they were the first ones killed off post-contact. North America basically became a Mad Max style post-apocolypse from the Native Americans perspective after Europeans arrived.
>>18530114>Hot take: Indians wouldn't have gotten genocided if they were capable of co-existing peacef -ACKhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes
>>18530114But they weren't, suffering neolithic ape people to exist in the modern world is simply unacceptable and it's a grave sin that not every single one of them were wiped out from the face of the earth like the pleistocene anachronism that they are. Give that land to propper civilized races so they can build a propper nation, we should not suffer the red ape to live.
>>18530293Kind of true, the Eastern United States was mostly agrarian tribesBut the western United States like Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California, Wyoming except for the Puebloan areas were almost entirely hunter fisher gatherers since maize growing/three sisters didn't spread there for some reason. A lot of formerly agricultural tribes like the Sioux also became exclusively buffalo hunters when they were pushed to the west
>>18530114How does that make them develop immune bodies
>>18530114WrongLook at how the Aztecs initially received the SpanishLook at how the multiple Maya kuchkabalob and kingdoms fiercely resisted the SpanishWhich one is still alive to this day
>>18530114The capability of coexistence is more dependent upon the underlying physical conditions than anything cultural.Neither the natives nor the colonists were intrinsically violent people and it's retarded that colonial apologists and anti-colonial anti-white radicals have essentially agreed on such an idiotic framing.Competition for the control of resources makes beasts of men regardless of race or culture. There's no darkness at the heart of Western civilization that doesn't exist in all men.
>>18530261>>peacefully try to co-existNever happened
>>18530488>That's bullshit because the most peaceful and civilized indian tribes also got genocided (Five Civilized Tribes, California Mission Indians, Salish Indians, Chinook Indians) and the ones that were the most brutal and fought the settlers the most survived and got reservations (Comanche, Apache, Ute, Sioux)All five civilized tribes and the Mission Indians survived and have reservations. The Chumash even host fancy musical acts for Santa Barbara/Montecito elites.
We can debate nuanced details and whatnot, but the overall picture is clear.>The white man came>With better technology>With greater ambitions>With bigger capacity for violenceThe instant the first western ships landed on american shores, the ultimate choice for any of the natives turned to adapt and assimilate (as best you can) or die.Anything else is cope.
>>18530261>highly advanced people show up>refuse to adopt their clearly superior culture>continue behaving like cavemen>get forced outThis is normal human behavior, any more advanced Old World society would have done the same thing.
>>18530585>>with greater ambitionIs this true though? Many of the conflicts were started in no small part by native politicking both with and against other natives.
>>18530585>>18530597"Hahaha, filthy barbarians, adapt to our culture or die!""Ok" *Adapts and outbreeds the host culture*"N-NO, GET THE FUCK OUT"Whitey didnt learn with the roman empire, wont learn this time either
>>18530602Of course. You come to a whole new land rich with resources and opportunity and the only people in your way are people you consider savages, who are not as advanced or capable to wage war as you are. All the while you have god on your side.Relevant:>https://youtu.be/SGAflVWYH1w?si=jlmYsytoI4REL7vB&t=153>>18530612Don't worry, the pendulum will swing back eventually. And one should hope it happens earlier than later.When non-whites chimp out, the end result is BLM riots or -92 riots in LA.When whites (eventually) chimp out, the result is two world wars, deveploment of atomic weapons and militarization of rocket technology. Among other things.
>>18530620>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80%93present)>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_warJust a few examples of non-whites chimping out. Not so peaceful, are they?
>>18530662Correct, but none of these comes close to either of the world wars for example.Europeans have waged wars systematically on this continent for the past 2000+ years. And when we got our hands in naval technology and artillery we fought our way into every single corner of this planet in search of conquest, glory and resources.
>>18530114It was more profitable to just kill them. You underestimate American greed.Fish swim
>>18530114Whites have a pathological hatred for the native Amerindians because they were closer to their Aryan steppe ancestors in terms of lifestyle and social organization. Meanwhile the Europeans who colonized them had strayed from their ancestral roots and became footsoldiers of Jewish bankers.
>>18530550>Look at population numbersDie out isolation or adopted European culture
>>18530568The Mayans didn't survive because they fought the Spanish more, the Mayans survived because they lived in an isolated region.Technically the Nahuas are still around but they're a comparatively smaller portion of the Mexican population vs the Mayans who are 50% of Yucatan and Guatemala>>18530576Not all of the Mission Indian tribes survived and they were really reduced in number. They were almost completely eradicated in the 1900s. I grant that the civilized tribes survived but they don't even have the full extent of the Indian territory reservations they were promised in the first place lmao
>>18530114Indians weren't genocided, most just crossbreed with whites and thus you ended with 400 million spics which nowadays are the source of much butthurt from miga cultists because of replacement o algo.
>>18530668The World Wars killed all of the masculine European men and left the softies behind
>>18530828Perhaps. Should shit hit the fan though, realities of the satus quo will forge harshness into us again.
>>18530114How do you coexist with smallpox if you're not immune to it?
>>18530114It definitely didn't help that until the very end, they refused to stop trying to kill one another. A huge amount of U.S. military action, especially toward the end, was one tribe begging us to come save them from another tribe that kept raiding them.A lot of the Indian attacks on whites were the same kind of shit, like you read the wikipedia article and it goes like>big buffalo and his band of raiders attacked some town in retaliation for U.S. attacks and killed 5 settlers and burned down some buildings before fleeing>they then spent the next 15 days attacking nearby settlements of the lakoshe and lahoho tribesThey were so desperate to kill one another that even when faced with the existential threat of the white man, they still treated us like some kind of secondary problem and really seemed to prefer killing one another even at the cost of the downfall of their entire civilization.
>>18531284If anything it really proves ideas of "racial homogeneity" wrong. The Americans, who basically told every person with skin lighter than coal they were all one big happy family regardless of being a Catholic Sicilian, Orthodox Slav Muscovite, or Redheaded Scottish Calvinist, had a united front that refused to ever side against one another at the behest of the Indians. Whereas the racially homogenous more or less genetically identical to the point of inbreeding Indians, could not stop from thinking of each other as practically different species even when they spoke the same language, the same lifestyle, had identical material cultures, and the same religion.
>>18531312The actual deciding factors was literally just diseases, snowniggers kill each other en masse more than any other race, (probably excluding actual niggers but they're a different species) Just look at ukraine right nlw
>>18530620>When whites (eventually) chimp out, the result is two world wars, deveploment of atomic weapons and militarization of rocket technology. When whites chimp out, they start killing each other and ruining their future? Wow, civilized people everyone
>>18531430That, and the constant influx of European settlers into the region. Any potential victory would have been futile in the long run, because settlers began arriving in droves. Even with disease and technology on their side, they would have found it difficult to win had it not been for the vast workforce at their disposal.
>>18530620>Don't worry, the pendulum will swing backThe average white person globally is like 48 years old, childless and skinnyfat lol you won't do shit faggot>When whites (eventually) chimp out, the result is two world wars, deveploment of atomic weapons and militarization of rocket technology. Among other things.The two world wars were based because millions of snowniggers killed each other like retards, contributing to total snownigger extinction in the long run
>white people are le chimp out, just look at WW2> 50% of the ~70 million deaths attributable to WW2 were Asians, killed by Asians or people fighting back against Asians.
>>18530114That really depends upon what type of indians we're talking about, plains indians normally are nomadic steppe people, depending upon the date, or year, and then you have more eastern indians who before the age of exploration were more hunter, gatherers, or a mix between agrarian living, or something. I'm gonna be real I don't actually know how accurate that is since most tribes did not have a consolidated, or uniformed writing system, from what I understand.
>>18530573It happened multiple times to the cherokee
>>18530573There were several tribes in the Texas region that willingly converted to Christianity and swapped to farming that were later wiped out in a land grab.
>>18532161>cherokee>peacefully coexistLmaoLmfao even
