Is Democracy scientifically debunked since free will doesn't exist?
>>18530505>free will doesn't existsource?
>>18530512Science. Democracy presupposes freedom of choice which doesn't exist, it's a religion in disguise and as such irrational.
>>18530516What specific "science" refutes free will?
>>18530525material science. it has been argued for on this board over and over, I'm waiting for some toilet cleaner to chime in and confirm
>>18530531>predictably fails to list any specific scientific findings
>>18530539this board is full of free will experts, I'm sure you'll get your answer in no time
>>18530542Ok. In the meanwhile we can sit with the knowledge that scientific determinism has been falsified while philosophical determinism is unfalsifiable.
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>>18530505All forms of government and rationality are debunked since their premise is that a practicioner should be free to choose between valid and invalid alternatives.
>>18530546>distinguishing between the twoWhat is this, amateur hour?Look, determinism is inherently philosophical. Science can be used to inform it, but otherwise it is in the philosophical camp.If you're someone who's a libertarian, the how do you account for the “intelligibility” objection?>>18530505To that end, to answer OP's question: just because free will is an illusion, it doesn't mean we don't make choices.
>>18530505How does a political system in which government offices are filled through a lottery depend on the existence of free will?
>>18530505Yes.>The Florida GOP has barred all candidates except Byron Donalds from participating in gubernatorial debates to engineer the election
>>18530505>>18530516Determinism and democracy are not incompatible, when people speak of free and fair elections in the democratic sense they mean that people have the opportunity to vote for candidates without threat of force or some other malicious interference from other people. The free part comes from a lack of negative consequences as a result of casting your vote a certain way and the fair part comes from it being counted fairly, neither of those things are at all connected with some deterministic idea of lack of free will where it was inevitable that your preferences would end up so that party C would be your choice.
>>18530505Begone, Satan!
>>18530505Didn't Plato believe in free will?
>>18530587>determinism is inherently philosophicalOk, so long as we're on the same page that it's contradicted by science.
>>18530546>scientific determinism has been falsifiedNo it hasn't.
>>18531674It has been. The Standard Model is probabilistic. Any Determinism you attribute to it is unfalsifiable metaphysical cope.
such an unbelievably retarded question
I choose to believe that free will exists.
>>18531830Physics is forcing my brain to generate output claiming free will doesn't exist. That means I'm more reasonable and intelligent than you.
>>18531886You can choose to believe that. I choose to disagree.
Whether or not we lack free will is completely irrelevant. From a purely scientific/physical perspective, nothing can be predicted with 100% accuracy, the closest we can get is 99.99999....% even if the initial conditions lead to deterministic outcomes. If we fundamentally cannot predict future outcomes with outright certainty, then determinism is simply not relevant to us. The answer to the question of whether or not free will exists is simply not relevant to us.
>>18531912>If we fundamentally cannot predict future outcomes with outright certainty, then determinism is simply not relevant to us.Who is it relevant to? Some godlike being who lives outside the universe? Are determinists theists?
>>18531928>Are determinists theists?Its possible
>>18530505Democracy has nothing to do with whether free will exists or not. Are you dumb?
>>18531983If free will doesn't exist then it's actually just a dictatorship of physics over particles.
>>18532014Except in this case the physics over particles manifested itself as a democratic election and not a dictatorship so what difference does it make?>the wining candidate is predeterminedyes but so fucking what?
>>18532016>so what if the outcome is predetermined and all the votes are forced? it's the LARP that mattersSo nothing, good job outing yourself as a North Korean shillbot.
>>18532014>if atoms are real then taste is not real because the tongue touching food is all just atoms interacting with atoms
>>18532014So you are dumb, huh. Thanks for clarifying.
>>18532063Whom are you quoting? Are you schizophrenic?
>>18532072You were forced to type that worthless post by physics.
>>18532086Yes. And yet inexplicably physics didn't to things like putting a gun to my head or putting me in jail for my dissenting political opinion.
>free will doesn't exist
>>18532114you were predestined to make this post because of physics o algo
>>18532098>yet inexplicably physics didn't to things like putting a gun to my head or putting me in jail for my dissenting political opinion.Because it makes sure you will never think, say or do anything that threatens the people who rule over you.
>>18530505Democracy is debunked because there isn’t actually a moral or practical reason to lash low information 90IQs to the political direction of The Polis.
free will obviously exist. Just because there's no apples at a fundamental elementary particles level, doesnt mean apples don't exist, and you're a simpleton if you claim they don't exist
The idea of free will is actually the cucked positions, since it ontroduces will as an entity which you are enslaved to. Meanwhile with determinism your just acting yourself out.
