>>18530603
They won't each other in heaven.
Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the LORD.

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>>18530603
God only cares about beetles, every other species including humans exist solely so he can create an environment for new types of beetles.

>>18530610
Doesn't explain away why they eat each other right now.

>>18530627
Original sin

>>18530630
Elaborate.

>>18530632
This is the fallen world created because of Adam's sin. When Jesus returns, those who believed shall rise from their graves in an immortal body made for them by the Lord and they shall inherit the perfect world with Jesus as King.

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>>18530641
>carnivores have to eat meat because a talking snake told a rib woman to eat an apple

>>18530613
based God t b h
the creeping things were "very good" after all.

>>18530647
Begone, spawn of Satan

>>18530603
What point do you see in non-predatory deaths?

>>18530657
No. This is my world.

>>18530647
Also, men can be women

What you call god is actually a being who loves suffering and has trapped all life here

>>18530647
Appeal to ridicule fallacy

>>18530889
Not anyone's fault but yours if your religion is ridiculous.

According to God, all except for pigs and a handful of other animals are halal.

>>18530877
I honestly don't see any other possible explanation. The insane cope some religions >>18530641 invent to try to explain away the objective fact that every aspect of this reality is designed to maximize suffering is not even remotely convincing.

Every organism has to eat other organisms to survive, even shit like plants only thrive by starving other plants of nutrients and sunlight. Aging as a concept is insanely fucked if you think about it, like imagine you're god creating life and you're like
>ok the life i create will be finite and the way i'm going to structure it is that life will be healthiest when it's young and as it ages, it will progressively become less healthy
>but i'm also going to structure their consciousness so that they won't be able to truly appreciate their youthful health until they start losing it
>so basically when they're the happiest and healthiest they won't be able to appreciate it

The only religions I can take seriously are ones that have a legitimate explanation for why this reality is the way it is. Gnosticism has the Demiurge to explain why this specific reality is so fucked up, Buddhism has multiple planes of reality with this one as a lower and less pleasant plane, with certain higher planes being notable specifically because the beings there can subsist on ambient energy rather than consuming one another, etc etc

I'll accept this as one of multiple realities, I'll accept a flawed creator making a flawed creation, but the concept of an omnipotent, benevolent god who created this world is a pure contradiction and no amount of theological cope will dismiss that fact.

>>18530993
Your suffering is maximized because you are in a hostile relationship with God. You deserve to suffer, and you will know only misery as long as you do not make peace with God through Jesus Christ.

>>18530896
>actually here’s why logical fallacies are ok when I do it
Atheist rationality

>>18530997
I'm not talking about me personally, lil bro. What I'm describing is an objective assessment of our reality. The vast vast VAST majority of life on this planet, from whales down to bacteria, can only survive by consuming other life. An omnipotent being could have structured this reality in literally any way it wanted.

That your options are starve to death or kill and eat other living things is a specific choice that was made by any theoretical creator god and any god that would make that choice is not benevolent.

>>18531024
You’re judging the original creation by the fallen one. By nature, by God’s design, none of this was so. Did you know that death itself is unnatural?

>>18530610
So the straw gets the short end of itself why does god disrespect organisms that are not vertebrates?

>>18531034
Plants are not living creatures.

>>18531037
Define living

>>18531033
>>18531037
religion is off putting because they claim to know everything when they're literally just guessing based on some book
god could be anything
you don't know shit

>>18531033
Yeah, that's the sort of insane cope I was referring to.
>oh well uhhhh god did make a perfect creation that wasn't literally built from the ground up to maximize suffering but then some girl ate some fruit thus dooming a virtually infinite number of living beings to indescribable suffering
>sorry god couldn't do anything about it after that; he was helpless against the power of women eating fruit and had no choice but to throw his perfect creation into the garbage

Putting everything else aside, does this not strike you as obscenely petty?
>you disobeyed me once? ok that's it trillions upon trillions of beings must now die in agony because of your mistake
Nice "loving" god you got there.

>>18531045
It’s not a guess and it’s not “some book”. I do know because God Himself has spoken. The bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of God.
>>18531073
You’re a blasphemous idiot and we’re getting close to pearls before swine territory here.
This is still an appeal to ridicule fallacy. Adam personally represented all of creation. When he sinned, all of creation sinned and incurred the curse. This wasn’t against God’s choice, but the just expression of His holy will. The world deserved to be subjected to the curse, because Adam its head deserved it. Nor was God “helpless” to stop the fall, but all things whatsoever happen in time occur according to the wise counsel of His sovereign providence. God intended that the fall of man would happen, to bring about the greater good of the cross.
>does this not strike you as obscenely petty?
No, you are making light of sin and light of God’s law. Adam deserved infinitely worse as you yourself do, the truly surprising thing is why has God been so merciful?

>>18531085
>This is still an appeal to ridicule fallacy.
Not when your argument is literally ridiculous, you seething midwit. We all know that you have 2,000 years of theological cope to draw from but that doesn't make your nonsense any more acceptable to people outside your cult.

>>18531085
>Adam deserved infinitely worse as you yourself do
lmao what the fuck is wrong with you people

>be christian
>watch 5 year old die from bone marrow cancer
>did this little girl deserve it?
>yes, in fact she she should have been raped and tortured before she died
>even that wouldn't have been enough; that child deserved infinitely worse, really if there were anything we could have done to make her suffer more then that would be great
>why? well that's just the expression of His holy will
these people will actually look you in the face and tell you that christianity isnt a death and misery cult

>>18530641
Human beings arrived on Earth hundreds if millions of years after the first carnivore

>>18530877
If God loved suffering he would have put your asshole under your nose so you could smell your shit all day, but then again with you maybe he did because all you talk is shit.

>>18530993
The earth is cursed. God cursed it when Adam sinned. He said, curse be the ground because of you. But there is a world to come that will be blessed by God and the few who love Him and in rigtheousness endure this world of suffering will receive it as an eternal inheritance.

God will make anyone who chooses rigtheousness happy forever and ever.

>>18531109
No, your religion is a death cult. You complain about the death of children while killing millions in the womb? You are a hypocrite and a liar. God is not the cause of the suffering of the world, but the solution. In Christ He will restore all things to a tranquil state, but your mad seething hatred perpetuates evil. It is because of your sins that the world is miserable, and as you love your sins, you love death. Meanwhile, in your worldview, what is the least bit upsetting about the death of a child? It’s just a flesh robot being disabled, who cares? You testify your own guilt with every word you speak, fool

>>18531095
I just want to highlight this as a counterexample to the common myth that atheists are hyper-rational. In reality atheists are irrational and stupid beasts of emotion who can’t tell the difference between their tranny feelings and reality

>>18531341
Notice how you didn't address his point at all. In any case, those fetuses you seethe about so much deserve much worse than to be aborted according to your framework, so stop with the performative seething.

>>18531342
>stupid beasts of emotion who can’t tell the difference between their tranny feelings and reality
You literally feel like an itinerant preacher from ancient Levant flew into the sky on a cloud like Goku because superstitious sand people wrote down that he did lol.

>>18531346
>insistently proving the point with no self-awareness
>>18531345
I realize you are a mindless beast so words are wasted on you but for the benefit of the reader you know that’s not what we believe, you are freely misrepresenting us because you are incredibly dishonest (and why shouldn’t you be under an atheist worldview?)

>>18531351
>we know an itinerant preacher from ancient levant flew into the sky on a cloud like goku because superstitious sand people wrote down that he did
^ reality
>writings of superstitious sand people are not sufficient to warrant rational belief in the idea that an itinerant preacher from ancient levant flew into the sky on a cloud like goku
^ tranny feelings

>>18531351
>that’s not what we believe
>Adam personally represented all of creation. When he sinned, ALL OF CREATION SINNED and INCURRED THE CURSE.
>you are making light of sin and light of God’s law. Adam DESERVED INFINITELY WORSE
Fetuses deserve infinitely worse by transitive property via Adam. Thanks for playing!

>>18531368
1. They deserve worse before God, not before men 2. God is also merciful, in tolerating worms like you to exist. He does not desire us to take joy in the deaths of the weak, but to mourn and pray for forgiveness 3. God is most just to bring His judgement to bear upon any of His creatures, and He will bring it to bear on you eternally if you do not repent

>>18531373
>ummm things that happen here on earth are not before god, he's not here you see
lol
>also god desires that we seethe when people get what they justly deserve
lmao

>>18531376
No, swine. Things that happen between you and me are not before God, how I relate to another person is not how I relate to God.

>>18530603
Why does an animals suffering matter exactly? Human suffering actually matters since humans are superior to animals in every way possible.

>>18531386
I never asked you about your relationship with your imaginary friend. The simple fact is that you think the fetus objectively deserves worse than to be aborted, but now you're backpedaling because you're upset about the optics.

>>18531361
Damn, I guess I'm a tranny

>>18530999
First, pointing out stuff anyone can crack open a bible and find within seconds is not "appeal to ridicule."

Second, nigga your entire apologetics have been nothing appeal to authority, tradition and emotion for 2000 years. You have no moral ground to point out literally anyone's fallacies, ever. Keep coping.

>>18531391
>>18531400
Incoherent bleeting of goats

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>>18531406
>whines about how accurately depicting his religion is "appeal to ridicule"
>commits pooh-pooh 1 post later

>>18531387
how do you know?
>>18531373
how do you know?
>>18531272
how do you know?
>>18531085
how do you know?

>>18530603
The christian god isn't real.

>>18530889
That is not an appeal to ridicule. Learn your fallacies.

>>18531085
>It’s not a guess and it’s not “some book”. I do know because God Himself has spoken. The bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of God.
The bible literally gets the shape of the earth wrong.

Threads like this make it brazenly obvious that christians are subhumans who have absolutely no ability to reason and also are basically schizophrenic. They deserve to be, and will be, mass exterminated and tortured by automated machines and drones. We are very, very close to the final eradication of these disgusting vermin, and their imaginary friend is not real and can not save them.
Don't worry anons, the vermin aren't going to last much longer.

>>18530889
Are the many biblical passages that criticize idolatry purely through ridicule "fallacious"?

>>18531603
No, that's different because it is God who is ridiculing them.

>>18531603
Why are you trying to reason with a person who showed themselves to believe contradictions and be unreasonable?

>>18531608
You do know that God isn't real, right? Special pleading for God is not an argument. It was not God who was ridiculing them, but the writers of that book, who were themselves not divinely inspired by God.

>>18531611
I've seen God for myself, in my heart. I know He's real.

>>18531617
No, you haven't. Religious ideation is a brain state that can be turned on and off with transcranial magnetic stimulation.
The bible is objectively not the word of God. It has been disproved.

>>18531618
This lie has been told by the unbelievers since the beginning of time.

>>18531621
Transcranial magnetic stimulation has only existed since the 1980's, so what you just said makes no sense.
The bible has not existed "since the beginning of time", and it has been objectively disproved

>>18531624
Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

>>18531630
I am not "professing to be wise", I'm just pointing out simple logical contradictions. So your verse is wrong, which makes sense, because the bible is not the word of God and gets most things wrong.

>>18531633
That's exactly what you're doing. You are not even open-minded to God being real. You are a worshipper of the material world and a hater of God, and you will be judged harshly for this.

>>18531630
>the bible is true because the bible says so
fruits of 2000 years of theology btw

>>18531636
You will come to sorely regret your blasphemy and boastfulness when the time comes.

>>18531634
>That's exactly what you're doing
No, it isn't.
> You are not even open-minded to God being real
This is false. I am looking honestly at the arguments and claims that the you are making and that are in the bible, and then concluding that it is wrong and not the word of God due to the fact that it makes errors, gets mathematics wrong, etc. I am indeed open minded to the possibility of God being real, but the bible has been objectively disproved and is not the word of God. You are the one who is not open minded and refuses to accept this.
>You are a worshipper of the material world and a hater of God
Nope, this is not true
>and you will be judged harshly for this.
No, I won't.

>>18531636
There is a reason this >>18531427 is real

>>18531641
No, you are a deceitful liar and an agent of Satan, an idolator worshipping the material world, since you think magnetic effects can be used to disprove the source of all being. You are exactly the type of unbeliever that the Bible condemns in the harshest terms.
>No, I won't.
Oh, you most definitely will

>>18531645
>No, you are a deceitful liar and an agent of Satan
Literally nothing I'm saying is a lie and Satan is not real
>an idolator worshipping the material world
Nope
>since you think magnetic effects can be used to disprove the source of all being
Nope, I said magnetic effects can turn on and off religious ideation, which is true.
>You are exactly the type of unbeliever that the Bible condemns in the harshest terms.
Again, the bible has been disproved. The fact that you're in denial about this and not open minded about reality doesn't mean anything.
>Oh, you most definitely will
No, I objectively won't, no matter how many times you repeat it, because the bible has been disproved.

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>>18531639
>saying you recognize a tree by its fruits is blasphemous

>>18531649
I have warned you several times, but your pride prevents you from seeing the Truth and apologizing to God for your transgressions. Whatever happens to you now is beyond my hands.

>>18531655
No, you haven't done anything of the sort. I have proved that the bible is wrong, and you refusing to accept this does not mean anything.
No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the bible has been shown to not be the word of God, thus using it as an authoritative source does not mean anything. You projecting the fact that you are not open minded does not change this.
I will not suffer for even a single second for pointing this out, because the bible would have to be the word of God in the first place for what you're saying to be true, but it isn't.

>>18531488
>how do I know animals are inferior to humans
Are you retarded or do I actually need to spell it out for you?

Show me the hippopotamus Archemedies and I will marvel at his inventions.
Give me the Eagle Ceasar and I will walk through his Empire.
Provide me the Snake Shakspeare and I will wonder at his great works of writing.
Oh you can't? Why not? Surely if animals are equal to humans they would be able to provide at least one great work of art to the world in the millions of years they have been around just like humans no?
No animals are inferior to humans to every single way. They do not have emotions just simple instinct. A horse cannot look at a sunset and feel contentment. Their brains are just not capable of such actions. This is a basic fucking fact you retard. Humans are superior to animals in every way possible. Period.

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Birds are superior to humans
Birds can fly, humans cannot
Birds have lived on this Earth for millions of years, humans have only been on this Earth for a few hundred thousand at most
Birds number in the tens of billions, humans can barely reach 8 billion
If I were an alien looking at Earth from an outsider perspective at the history of this planet as a whole, I would probably assume its Gods favored birds over humans in all honesty, I certainly wouldn't value human art or architecture like humans do. To think otherwise is to fail to see the forest through the trees

>>18530603
God enjoys killing animals, that's why YHWH demanded animal sacrifices, and He wanted humans to smoke the meat so He could enjoy the smell of the burning animal's flesh. It literally says this in the OT.

>>18531711
Birds can't use the internet, so they are very obviously inferior.

>>18531729
>Birds can't use the internet
I envy them

>>18531726
Of all your words an account will be asked. Every single thing you have ever said is being written down in stone by an angel and will be read aloud before God in the day of your judgement.

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>>18531741
Okay. And? I'm just repeating what the Bible says. You should actually read the book you profess to believe in sometime, instead of LARPing like a niggerfaggot. If heaven existed or any of this were real (it's not), God would favor me over you because I've actually read and understood "His Word".

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>>18531711
Humans can fly using their superior technology that mogs birds. Humans have achieved space travel. Why haven't birds try to innovate? Are they stupid? Nope just inferior.

Humans are relatively smart. That's our thing, like how birds fly or fish swim. It's very overpowered when we're in large groups and given enough time. But it doesn't make us not animals

>>18531751
They're going to humiliate you in front of him.

>>18531826
No, they won't, because they don't exist.

>>18531785
>gnosticism
Meds.

>>18531826
God and His heavenly host are going to humiliate me in front of "him" (You) for reading the Bible? Uh, sure, bud. Whatever helps you cope.

Maybe you should crack open that book again and actually read it through, instead of bleating at me like an asspained retarded cunt. God hates you for being an ignorant retard.

>>18531840
In a million years you still won't recover.

>>18531823
Of course we are animals. We are just superior to every other animal and our intellect inherently makes us different

>>18531868
Retarded bot.

>>18531924
It's the eternity we're talking about. Whatever God decides in that day will never be overruled. He can literally do anything he wants to you.

>>18531804
Needing to innovate is proof of inferiority though. The world was perfect in the garden of eden, Adam and Eve never innovated anything, not until they sinned and invented clothes. Technology is proof of sin. God created an entirely good natural world. The unnatural creations of man are actually a physical form of evil. Meanwhile God's true chosen people, the birds, only build in harmony with nature as they were created to do.

God didn't make a man his sign, it's a dove. God's angels aren't described as looking like men, but you know what they do have? Wings. You know what else they do? They sing and make music as they praise his name.

Face it. Birds are god's chosen people, we're just living in their world.

>>18530603
Even the most righteous Christian today is living on the worst hell they will ever have to experience. When they die, or in the rapture soon, they will go to heaven, and never have to experience the worst hell they had to endure here and now.

When unbelievers die, they have to go from this hell which is probably worse than Christians going through this first life, to an even worse hell, for eternity with no escape.

So yes, animals are going through their hell on earth till God makes it like it was. Even though animals don’t have to ever go to hell, they are going through one like hell right now because of sin.

>>18532142
No one "has to go to hell", God designed this world the way it is and he designed hell the way it is. He also set up the rules where people have to go to hell to be tortured for eternity because they didn't believe in a talking snake from a book.

>>18531033
>creationism in 2026