It's astounding how Old Kingdom Egypt was light years ahead of the rest of the world. This level of realism would not be seen for another 2000 years.
What's his phenotype and haplogroup, /his/?
>>18532405Not even the best example of giga ancient Egyptian artI present to you: 2500BC
>>18532562Full Statue
>>18532562Ankhaf is earlier, retard
>>18532566They're both from the same time roughly. I just like Kaapers statue more because it is more lifelike and full body and shows off the realism better
>>18532568Khafre Enthroned mogs everything anyways
>In popular culture>In April 2025, Cypriot melodic death metal band "Ka'aper" (which is named after the ancient Egyptian priest) released the song "Eyes of Ka'aper".thank you wikipedia, what would I do without this information?
>>18532562>>18532564interesting that this is in such a different art style to most other surviving egyptian statuary I'm familiar with, which is much more idealized and impersonal
>>18532576Old Kingdom had a tradition of realism
>>18532576>>18532577And everyone knows the famous Seated Scribe
>>18532576It's mostly a 4th and somewhat 5th dynasty tradition. At some point in the 5th dynasty they stopped this style and moved back to using more local traditions which are more similar to later styles. The 4th dynasty was by far the most ambitious dynasty in all but military conquests, and it showed in their art, what we know of their literature, architecture and public works to settle Egypt and in governing.
Why aren't they Black?
>>18532584you've got to be kidding, the middle and new kingdoms at their peak surpassed the 4th dynasty in every respect
>>18532593Middle and New Kingdoms were more expansionist and also had to wage defensive wars because the rest of the world had caught upOld Kingdom was mostly isolated and peaceful allowing them to devote the full state behind pyramid building
>>18532600the colossal city sized forts of the middle kingdom and the sprawling temples of the new kingdom are more impressive projects than the old kingdom pyramids. Additionally these were not the same level of absurd and pointless vanity projects as the 4th dynasty pyramids.
>>18532600the middle and new kingdoms were far richer and spent greater resources on their mega projects than the old kingdom did, get off the top level of the ancient egypt iceberg
>>18532603>the colossal city sized forts of the middle kingdom and the sprawling temples of the new kingdom are more impressive projects than the old kingdom pyramids.gaythe granite beams of khufu's king's chamber alone mog everything made in the middle and new kingdoms
>>18532607the craftmanship of something like, for instance, Hatshepsut's tomb is vastly superior
>>18532593>the middle and new kingdoms at their peak surpassed the 4th dynasty in every respectIs that why they never built any pyramids?
>>18532405>>18532584Realism in art clearly is an issue of demand and of the way representation works in your society, not one of having leveled up your civ.
>>18532990>clearly is an issue of demandMaybe I'm a pleb but you'd imagine every civilization to demand at least some kind of verism to the subjectBut looking across all of history and all cultures that's been the exception not the norm
>>18532977They did, far more than the old kingdom.
>>18532593The difference is not the power and wealth of thee state, which later Egyptian dynasties do surpass them in, but the ambition and influence of their rule. The 4th dynasty more or less created the Ancient Egyptian state in a recognisable form, they are the source of foundational literature for the next 2000 years of Egyptian culture, they were the ones to create an effective central administration, they were the ones to settle most of Egypt by rapidly expanding and founding settlements all across Egypt. Egyptian scribal traditions are effectively descended from what they created. Middle and New Egyptian literature looked back to them constantly. Their artistic styles ended during the 5th dynasty, but so much of what they did defined what Egyptian society and culture would become. No other dynasty had such an oversized influence on Egyptian history
>>18533003>They did, far more than the old kingdomSurely you can name one
>Egyptian culture persists somehow for thousands of years despite being conquered by foreigners several times particularly after the collapse of the Middle Kingdom>even under Roman rule, Egyptian language and writing still persisted for centuries>then Christfags get butthurt about "muh pagan temples and demon writing" and close all Egyptian temples which were the main institutions preserving Egyptian writing and culture>it virtually disappears from Egyptian society within a couple generations>Then Muslims replace the Christians in Egypt and are even more retarded and repressive, demanding everybody learn Arabic and forbid all study of the ancient writings out of superstitious fear of the magic contained in them
On a similar note some friend of mine told me that nefertiti's bust was a fake... Any context or elements of proof about that or the contrary?
>>18533090Abrahamics are the worst thing that ever happened to civilization
>>18533035Most have been deconstructed in the millennia since, good source of free building material, and also they are heckin' evil and pagan.>>18533090The Ptolomaics were very repressive to traditional Egyptian religion/culture long before Christianization. And during the Roman period they had been all but amalgamated into a more general hellenistic culture and religion.
>>18533143Mostly it's to do with how the Germans basically smuggled it out of Egypt - there was some shady business with its documentation so people have questioned the provenance/findspotAlso I think the realism of the bust doesn't match the contemporary Amarna style with its exaggerated featuresBut we don't know if like the Old Kingdom there was also a stylistic return to realism for which we have no evidence because post-Akhenaten rulers destroyed/defaced artifacts from his reign>>18533183You're talking nonsense, Ptolemies never suppressed the native Egyptian religionWe have shitload of temple inscriptions from the Ptolemaic eraYou know those Serapeum granite sarcophagi that conspiracy theorists love to bring up as an example of "le lost Atlantean technology"? All those are from the Ptolemaic era
>>18533193>Scholars agree that "Manetho" is a Greek transcription of an Egyptian name, however there is no consensus on the original. Some speculate that it is a theophoric name invoking either the god Thoth or the goddess Neith, e.g. "Truth of Thoth", "Beloved of Neith", or similar. Another proposal is "I have seen the great god". Others propose an occupational name based on Egyptian Myinyu-heter ("Shepherd" or "Groom"). In Latin sources he is called Manethon, Manethos, Manethonus, and Manetos.[6][7]>The earliest attestations of his name, all in Greek, come from three sources: an inscription found in Carthage; the Hibeh papyrus; and the writings of Josephus. The name that he called himself in Greek was likely Manethôn.Kek. Post the Egyptian native priests who transmitted Egyptian knowledge to the Sea people Medfags all the way to the Ptolemies except the known fake character Manetho and while you're at it tell us Pythagoras teachers.
>>18533214I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say
>>18533218Oh I know you know exactly what I'm saying unless you're a bot.
>>18533222You want me to post Egyptian native priests....because that would mean Ptolemies didn't repress Egyptian religion?
>>18533225You are saying the Egyptians practiced the cults up until the islamist took over what I'm asking you is to post any Egyptian native priest beside that Gayreek Manethôn. I'm sure if you believe the people didn't die off they must have other priests beside that Gayreek after all the Egyptians were a very literate people right. Now post us some knowledgeable priests or fuck off with your Indian-Euro/Semitic fake history.
>>18533234>You are saying the Egyptians practiced the cults up until the islamist took overWho the fuck said that? I just countered your retarded claim about Ptolemies repressing Egyptian religion. You know that the Rosetta Stone, the most famous hieroglyphic inscription, is LITERALLY the Ptolemies recording how the charity they bestowed upon the priests and the temples, right?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_synodal_decreesRetarded fucking schizo.
>>18533241Kek. You're a Christing cult Medfag copt dalit you wuz never Kangz. Keep coping.
>>18533035https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_pyramidsnote how many listed are after the old kingdom
>>18533247nice argument
>>18533019Egyptian scribal tradition is from the middle kingdom, and pyramid texts did not yet exist at the time of the 4th dynasty. So much of what we think of as Egyptian society and culture did not yet exist in the old kingdom.
>>18533269>pyramid texts did not yet exist at the time of the 4th dynasty.Considering they were spells and most likely chants, they were probably the result of an older oral tradition that only started getting inscribed on the tombs from the Fifth Dynasty onwards. They might have even been written on the linen wrappings and wooden coffins of Old Kingdom royal mummies (like the later Book of the Dead and Coffin Texts) but we don't have the evidence.
>>18533266Let's see one then, should be easy if there's so many
>>18533268>Muh Rosetta stone>The decipherment of cuneiform began with the decipherment of Old Persian cuneiform between 1802 and 1836.So now because the Gayreeks made a stone with hieroglyphs it means there wuz Ancient Egyptians there. Kek. I guess the Persians wuz ruling native Sumerians.
>>18533287photographs are included in that wikipedia link
>>18533234>post any Egyptian native priest beside that Gayreek ManethônYou rang, faggot?
>>18533560>photographs are included in that wikipedia linkNope, they are not. Only if the old kingdom pyramidsAlmost like the new and Middle Kingdom pyramids don't exist
>>18532564Already suffering from Metabolic Syndrome because of the wheat consumption.
>>18534047I don't know what to say. This is objectively wrong.
>>18535207>This is objectively wrongShow me a picture of a Middle Kingdom or a new kingdom pyramid. That's literally all I'm asking for
Greek and Roman writers spoke of how contemporary Egyptians saw the pyramids as nothing more than a ruler's megalomaniacal building projects.
>>18532998For most of human history, the upper class were easily identifiable by heraldry on their person, modes of dress and their entourage. People whom you didn't have personal relations with had no need to know your face to recognize that you were walking with your goon squad while looking more respectable than random goons.
>>18536040Greek and Roman writers were all gay
>>18532577H is a full blooded nigga
