Jesus was a Jewish man, a Jewish Messiah claimant, who claimed to have come for the lost sheep of israel. Whatever Paul said later to make christianity more enticing to gentiles is not relevant.
>>18533052What was the instigating event that led the Jews to demand his arrest and execution?
>>18533052Shouldn't you be defending your right to rape Palestinian POWs? (girls aged 11)
>>18533056How does disagreement between Jewish sects mean jesus wasn't jewish? There are actual jews alive today who don't think the modern state of Israel should exist
>>18533061No they killed him because they didn't believe he was the Messiah. They didn't believe he was the Messiah because he didn't fulfill all of their Messianic prophecies. For the record I don't believe in a jewish Messiah, jesus or not
>>18533052Jews killed Jesus because they disagreed about the identity of those lost sheep. Jews claim it refers only to jews, Christians say jews only ever were one part of Israel.
>>18533066Revisionism. Nothing in the gospels implies it was about jewish racism toward gentiles. In fact jesus was a huge racist against gentiles, and called them dogs
>>18533060The Bible is quite clear about this anon. Why are you lying about it?
>>18533069Fuck that guy im not a dog
>>18533052There is no evidence for Jesus saying anything or even existing. All the "sources" for his quotes were written 50+ years after his alleged crucifixion, in a collection of books which are clearly mythological fables.
>>18533070Show me where it says the pharisees rejected jesus *because* of gentiles.
>>18533073What if I told you books didn't exist until the crucifixion of Jesus.
>>18533071Its okay, he used the hebrew word specifically for a pet dog, or puppy. Doesn't that make you feel better?
>>18533069There is a reason that until very recently only the white, the light of God, were considered to be God's children, endowed by God with certain inalienable rights. That is the Israel He sought to save, the very same one you seek to destroy.
>>18533075You would be incredibly idiotic and full of shit. We have books from centuries before jesus
>>18533075On the contrary, the Jesus fable was fabricated entirely on the basis of failed prophesies made in the Jewish books.
>>18533078Racism outside of /b/. Ironically racism (for gentiles) is very unchristian, only Israelites have a special status. You are lucky to get crumbs from the masters table
>>18533080would I?
>>18533056>Jew A rejects Jew B, therefore Jew B is not a Jew
>>18533074It explicitly states in the very excerpt I chose, the reason the priests and the Pharisees decided to kill Jesus is because he said god was breaking the special covenant with them, and expanding it to other nations.
>>18533083>AI slopYou would. You probably also think the earth is flat and evolution isnt real if I had to guess.
>>18533082Racism is an anti-Christ concept invented in 1902 to destroy the body of Christ.
>>18533086>projection after being BTFO'dits okay to be wrong and dumb sometimes, it's a common occurrence for pronounced internet atheists.
>>18533085Fair enough. How does that make him not jewish though? Isn't the argument more like him making everyone jews? This is just a fight between a more conservative jewish sect and a more liberal universal one.
>>18533081>made in the Jewish books.There were no Jewish Books. They had scrolls until Jesus.
>>18533091I will add to this, even in old testament times gentiles could "convert" to Judaism. I put convert in quotations because they believe converts are really jewish souls trapped in non jewish bodies (they are trans jewish, lol)
>>18533093>this is how stupid the average christian is
>>18533091>>18533084He is Jewish. I was not disputing this point. However, in another week you will post this exact same thread without amending any of it despite knowing it is a lie.
>>18533096This thread is about and directed toward people who insist he isnt jewish, of which there are many on this board. I am not jewish so I have no desire to follow a jew, its that simple.
>>18533095>argumentprove me wrong you flaming faggot damned to hell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex#History>At the turn of the 1st century AD, a kind of folded parchment notebook called pugillares membranei in Latin became commonly used for writing in the Roman Empire.
>>18533091His mom was jewish, but his father was not and jews recon their jewishness by matrilineal descent so he was technically a jew, but more than that he was the rightful King of all God's children, including jews.
>>18533101All of the greatest anti semites in history have been Jewish.
>>18533102A scroll is an older form of what we call "books". Both are collections of writings and serve the exact same purpose. Its shocking you need this explained to you
>>18533103>he was the rightful King of all God's childrenProof? Claims made in the Bible aren't proof btw. Even if he resurrected, which i doubt, that wouldn't be proof of him being god
>>18533093Are you braindead?
>>18533106Including Hitler
>>18533108>Proof?As the only begotten son of the God of gods, he is the Lord of Spirit which places him in hierarchy over all God's children regardless of what fallen god sired them.
>>18533113>As the only begotten son of the God of gods, he is the Lord of Spirit which places him in hierarchy over all God's childrenWhat is the proof of this claim being true?
>>18533107are you a retard? like I'm honestly curious. Do you have a genetic reading comprehension delay you were born with? Or was it some kind of horrible accident that caused some form of lobotomy on your brain?The claim was "Books didn't exist until Jesus"Which you still can't disprove. Scrolls are not books. No one denies scrolls existed. Atheists just have this idea that writing multiple page books is something we've done for thousands of years, when its not. And their inception and popularization is linked to the crucifixion of Jesus.
>>18533116What do you think a book exactly? I think you're just trolling, no one this stupid should be able to type semi competently
>>18533116https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_booksRead something other than your fairytale book please.
>>18533122Books are a collection of written pages bound together on one side. Usually with writing on the front and backs of the pages.Scrolls were 20-150 ft long rolled up single pages of writing on one side of the scroll.The process of writing on the front and back of pages and binding the pages together to create a 'codex" was popularized by Christians retelling the gospel. >>18533123>links an article confirming my claim>doesnt read it himselflmao.
>>18533126Scrolls and tablets are books, you stupid retard.
>>18533127yikes. lmao.I accept your concession.
>>18533077Maybe the reason they killed that guy was because he was an annoying condescending asshole
>>18533129Unironically the pharisees were traditional conservatives and jesus was a subversive trying to end their way of life. If they were anyone else but jews the /pol/tards in this thread would be screaming "based"
>>18533128Bait
>>18533126Also, codices were used several centuries before christians existed apparently, so you're retarded on multiple accounts, even on something you brought up. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex#History
>>18533132Fuck them too
>>18533136Yes, I agree with you. I have come to realize jews and nazis are mirror images with each other. Hitler was a German zionist, zionists are jewish nazis. Thats why they hate each other>this town ain't big enough for the two of us
>>18533135>the spread of the codex is often associated with the rise of Christianity, which early on adopted the format for Christian texts, such as patristic writings, liturgical texts, and the Bible.[6] First described in the 1st century of the Common Era, when the Roman poet Martial praised its convenient use, the codex achieved numerical parity with the scroll around 300 CE,[7] and had completely replaced it throughout what was by then a Christianized Greco-Roman world by the 6th century.[8]Your own fucking source.Kill yourself, today.
>>18533141So you don't think anyone in Greece or pre christian Rome wrote book. Damn is this really christ trannies sending their best?
>>18533141>the spreadLmao. Desperate cope and goal post shift (>>18533075), but you have already shit yourself in public for everyone to see.
>>18533115You're supposed to be wise enough to know why believing it is the smart move.
>>18533148you might actually have something terribly wrong with you, I'm concerned for your well being. You should be accompanied at all times and wear a helmet near sharp corners.
>>18533140Godard named this interaction the legend of the stereo
>A first evidence of the use of papyrus in codex form comes from the Ptolemaic period in Egypt, as a find at the University of Graz shows.[16][17]This kills the christard.
OP will never stop lying about what Jesus taught about the sheep he has that are not of this fold.
>>18533163Point out a single lie in the OP
>>18533152Why is it?
>>18533132>Unironically the pharisees were traditional conservativesThat is not true. What pederast is telling you guys such obvious nonsense? The Sadducees were the nearest thing to “traditionalists”.
>>18533141What kind of Christian tells people to kill themselves? Fake larping 4chan ones i suppose. Edgy children rebelling against the secular world in favor of being superstitious luddites
>kikes coping on semantics>>18533158>nigga speaks of the only recorded instance of finding a piece folded up papyrus anywhere in the world pre-Christ, still disputed.You really have to do better than this. Clearly you just ignore all the research telling you how Christianity made the book, and fixate on niche historical exceptions made by other internet atheists to try and own the Christians.
>>18533175>The Sadducees were the nearest thing to “traditionalists”.Christians destroyed their way of life too
>gay-brown alliance to just lie about the Bible. Who wears the leash and who holds the chain?
>>18533187Who is lying? You keep just hurling insults, kike this brown that. Its juvenile and makes you look stupid
>>18533190The point of OP was implying Jesus salvation was exclusively for Jews, and this only changed with Paul. This is not the case, as the very reason the Jews executed Jesus is because he stated they were being rejected by God in favor of gentiles.
>>18533198>The point of OP was implying Jesus salvation was exclusively for JewsIts for jews first, and then gentiles
>>18533199The Jews were rejected when they rejected him. That’s the point.
>>18533203Jews are only rejected if they don't accept jesus is their jewish Messiah.
>>18533206Yes, it’s not a racial thing, great insight Rajesh
>>18533210Tell me about the 144,000 Male jewish virgins who get vip access to heaven
>>18533181>historical discoveries are anti-christianNo surprises there
>>18533212Sure if you post the meme you got it from. Might as well argue with the homo on the thinking end of the leash, rather than his pet.
>>18533219Have you read revelations?
>>18533224Just show me the meme or link me the twitter account, Rajesh.
>>18533173>Why is it?>>18533078
>>18533228I'll take that as a no. Silly of me to expect a Christnigger to have actually read the Bible
>>18533233It’s something like @SigmaSinghBTCbillionaire, isn’t it?
>trying to reframe all opposition to Christianity as IndianGiga-cope from a decaying religion that is in fact present in India
>>18533242>WeepingGanesh.jpgThere is a particular sort of ESL idiocy on the internet today, that makes it very obvious when a person learned English on the subcontinent
>>18533253Here's your (You), that's the last bit of attention you'll get from me. Now feel free to retire to your unicorn la la la land where Christianity is a Whites-only creed and where Indians can't be Christian.Maybe get out of your parents' basement once in a while, but only if you feel like it, no need to push yourself
>>18533052>Whatever Paul said later to make christianity more enticing to gentiles is not relevant.Wait, you mean Paul just made this part up? >Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord
>>18533052Paul did not invent Christianity for gentiles. Peter received the vision of the clean and unclean animals (Acts 10) and baptized the Roman centurion Cornelius before Paul's missionary journeys began. The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15, c. 50 AD) settled the question of gentile admission, and it was led by Peter and James, not Paul. Paul was sent out by the church at Antioch, not operating independently. If Paul had invented a different religion, the Jerusalem apostles who walked with Jesus for three years would have opposed him. Instead, Peter, James, and John gave Paul the right hand of fellowship (Galatians 2:9). The idea that one man fabricated a religion that somehow overwrote the testimony of living eyewitnesses is not historically serious. Jesus did come for the lost sheep of Israel. He also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold" (John 10:16) and commanded "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19). The expansion to gentiles was not Paul's innovation. It was Christ's explicit command, executed by the apostolic college as a body. The rupture between Christianity and rabbinic Judaism was not Paul vs Jesus. It was the question of whether the Messiah had come. The Church said yes. The synagogue said no. Everything else follows from that fork.
>>18534577The earliest canonical accounts written by an actual primary leader of the events are the undisputed Pauline letters everything else exists on way more shaky grounds from a historical perspective. A significant portion of the NT book canon reflects Pauline influence or traditions, and it is notable how diverse early Christian texts were before a standardized canon rejected alternative movements. And it makes sense because Paul preached to gentiles while the Jerusalem Apostles were primarily concerned with the circumcised mission, so naturally the theological lineage with the most widespread institutional backing in the Roman Empire would come to dominate the Christian movement. Acts especially functions as a form of early church defense, seriously just take a look at it. Half the narrative focuses on vindicating Paul's ministry and validating his status alongside the original apostles.
>>18535952(cont.)It provides a smooth narrative, but because Paul's letters survived, historical critics can see that the Paul of Acts and the Paul of the letters are at odds. In Acts he's presented as someone who personally keeps the law and circumcises Timothy, whereas in reality his letters reveal a radical view where Torah observance is completely obsolete for salvation, creating an intense theological rift. In Acts he is depicted as agreeing with the Jerusalem Decree forbidding food sacrificed to idols, but in his actual works (like 1 Corinthians 8 and 10) he treats the consumption of idol food as a matter of personal conscience and social charity rather than a binding legal prohibition like the apostles agreed. He criticizes the "pillars" of the Jerusalem Church in Galatians, refusing to defer to their status and claiming he received his gospel by direct revelation, but in Acts he is portrayed as being in structural submission to them. He specifically targets Peter and those from James even so it's clear that the historical accounts are not as later tradition makes them out to be. Also for your point on John 10:16, the context of the Johannine community indicates that the "other sheep" vaguely refers to the Gentile mission or the diaspora from the Israelites, but the historical Jesus himself was operating within a thoroughly apocalyptic Jewish context where his primary focus was the renewal of Israel
>>18533052Despite the schizo conspiracy theories about Paul, the same Gospel which says He only came for the lost sheep of Israel is the one that says He sent His disciples to make disciples of all nations. The lost sheep of Israel thing is clearly talking about His earthly ministry only (and even then is not absolute, since the scriptures tell us He sometimes ministered to nearby gentiles like the faithful centurion, whom He said had greater faith than all Israel), not those whom He came to call or save. Jesus also said He had sheep who were not of that fold, and He meant to bring them together and make them one fold. If you think “Jewish Messiah” means He has no interest in gentiles, then it shows how little you know about this to begin with.
