*destroys marxism*
>>18533837But one class quite literally is trying to replace another class with ai and mass immigration
>>18533929Haven’t you thought of why they’re doing that? I don’t know maybe because you’ve been antagonizing them for the past 2 centuries?
>BTFOs every Marxist
>>18533837No such thing exists.>>18533878Opium of the masses.>>18533889He tried to, but reactionaries always lose in the end>>18533929Another consequence of late stage capitalism >>18534306What, the means of production?
>>18534311>What, the means of production?What's the point of owning "means of production" if you expect other people to do the production? Isn't that just capitalism with extra steps?
>>18534311>class collaboration doesn’t exist It does in the Nordic countries. And is extremely successful
Class collaboration is a meme, a way to fool proletariat into thinking that they have any say on how the country is run.
>>18533837Classes are groups of people defined by the fact that their interests are materially opposed. Class collaboration only makes sense in the context of fascism where the state is forcing them all to subordinate their interests to a revolutionary state
>>18534341>>18534343What evidence do you have that their interests are “opposed”? I, as a working-class man have more in common with the wealthy store owner from my own country than a factory worker in Argentina
>>18534341>>18534343Race is more of a class than class is. You have much more in common with a rich businessman who's the same race as you than you do with an immigrant who's not your race and who just happens to earn a wage just like you.
>>18534352>>18534354Being a race realist doesn't mean you have to be a class cuck...
>>18534311>
>>18534358Name one communist movement in a western country that recognizes that immigrants living on benefits are lumpenproletariat and a counterrevolutionary element like the bourgeoisie.
>>18534354>You have much more in common with a rich businessman who's the same race as you than you do with an immigrant who's not your race and who just happens to earn a wage just like you.Funny how you say this as a poorfag, meanwhile your "racial kinsman" richfag, capital holder or CEO considers you a draft animal to rule over, while mingling with fellow cosmopolitan capitalist elite from Jakarta to Johannesburg.
>>18534378>Jew projecting his disordered worldview
>>18534373Not a communist. I just think it's beyond cucked to think your interests are aligned with business owners and the bourgeoisie (who are the ones advocating high immigration in the first place and selling all your labour overseas). Historically most trade unions were viciously anti-immigration while pro-business parties were always trying to "open the country up".
>>18534386>it's beyond cucked to think your interests are aligned with business owners and the bourgeoisie Unless the bourgeoisie in question want you to do a """worker's revolution""" and promise you they have your best interests in mind, then it's gigabased.
>>18534381Antisemitism is the socialism of the retarded and all that.
>>18534386Trade unions are still somewhat anti-immigration if we are talking about work visas. However none of them are against refugees, family unifications and so on which produced the benefits-scrounging lumpen class of browns every West European country now has.
Things Leftroons can’t tackle>class collaborationThe most anti worker form of class collaboration is that between the capitalists and bourgeois who push cultural leftism and the petite bourgeois dregs who push for replacement of the working class, undermine working class values, and erode working class communities through diversity.>reserve army of laborPerhaps the strongest weapon in the capitalist arsenal is the reserve army of labor. When they open the agricultural tech and service sectors up to various foreign browns who undercut labor they have effectively removed the bargaining power labor has had which is labor itself. Labor has been replaced by a pseudo slave class who will tolerate anything to live and work in industrial society.A society they did not build, cannot maintain and who have no stake in its destiny. The final act will be the dismantling of industrial capitalism by the hordes and a return to feudalism where capitalists will assume the role of feudal lords, effectively reverting the march of progress back to a previous stage of political and economic development.>subversive leftismThe spirit of the Left itself. Where we should have had revolution instead we have subversion.The industrialized White world who has yearned for revolution for centuries is being subverted, diluted, weakened to the point of no return.Leftists have been the driving force behind this. Where they imagined the White working class was an oppressor of colonized non-Whites, exchanging the true industrial proletariat of Whites, whom they now associate with capitalists, for the spiteful mutants, non-Whites, and criminals whom are now considered the “true” proletariat.Having abandoned the Class Consciousness of Proletariat vs Capitalist they now have built up a consciousness not of class but of racial, tribal, ethnic, social, sexual, and legal opposition to the White proletariat.Oppressed and Oppressor is their new set of watchwords.
>One who criticises capitalism while approving of immigration, of which the working class is its first victim, would do better to remain silent. One who criticises immigration while remaining silent regarding capitalism should do the same.
>>18533878Communism is the political macro expression of Christian virtue, and leftists are retards for thumbing their noses at such a natural ally. The only reason religion feels right wing today is because the left voluntarily ceded the field.
>>18534455Capitalism is a moral good. The Belgic Confession article 36 says “And on this matter we denounce the Anabaptists, other anarchists, and in general all those who want to reject the authorities and civil officers and to subvert justice by introducing common ownership of goods and corrupting the moral order that God has established among human beings.”
What should have been revolutionary fervor to overthrow the parasitic capitalist class and finally allow the workers, who by their sweat and blood built and defended their nations and countries, instead we have a revanchist coalition of the willing, aimed not at capitalism but at the White Race, justifying their ‘costume communism’ by pointing out when assaulting the White race they are assaulting too a subset of White capitalists, but ignore the vast majority of the White race is an industrial proletariat! The capitalists can use wealth and influence to parry such broad stroke attacks against their race while the proletariat, ever receiving the worst of the attacks, cannot!Leftism is for these reasons a complete and total failure.While Marxism and Leninism have good ideas, we can see when they are not protected by a radical racially conscious vanguard of the proletariat, they soon become little more than a ‘center’ deviation to be wielded as a weapon against the working class.The only people who will deny this are from one of these anti-White coalitions.Either a troon, a groid, a jew, there are no genuine Left-Com who oppose White nationalism.
>>18534439No, what they can't tackle is that Marxists always seem to be rich trust fund college kids and working class people tends to back right leaning politics.
>>18534463>Democratic socialism managed to fit within the two existing models as a welcome counterweight to the radical liberal positions, which it developed and corrected. It also managed to appeal to various religious denominations. In England it became the political party of the Catholics, who had never felt at home among either the Protestant conservatives or the liberals. In Wilhelmine Germany, too, Catholic groups felt closer to democratic socialism than to the rigidly Prussian and Protestant conservative forces. In many respects, democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine, and has in any case made a remarkable contribution to the formation of a social consciousness.Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
>>18534461You are just completely clueless about actual biblical teaching and Christian theology. Your assumption that Christianity is or should be leftist is literally based on rhetoric in the mediaGalatians 3:28 “There is neither slave nor free for you are all one in Christ Jesus”, the class warfare of communists and other greedy anarchists is a perverse evil which would destroy the unity of the Church and overthrow the great work of Christ, who reconciled all kinds of men to God through His blood.
>>18534470You obviously didn’t even google what the Belgic Confession is to quote a pope to me.
>>18534468I covered that.Rich trustees are a form of capitalist shapeshifter, they insulate themselves from the racial attacks against Whites, they often happen to be White themselves, by using wealth and class to escape the consequences of attacking the proletariat based on broad stroke racial assaults.Lefties will justify brutalizing the industrial proletariat with a moral crusade against Whites, Whites compose the largest portion of the industrial proletariat. White capitalists want this to happen because they can deflect racial attacks by moving away from non-Whites while the White proletariat cannot.Leftism as we know it is a product of Capitalism.
>>18534483thanks ChatGPT
>>18534474That's some major league pilpul you've got there.
>>18534314you mean socialism lite countries?
>>18534698What is socialism?
classes don't exist.reminder that marxists only care about the working class because in marxist eschatology the working class is supposed to be the final class that overthrows capitalism, establishes dictatorship, abolishes itself and ultimately ushers in eternal paradise on earth. this insanity is the entire reason why they care about the working class. it's not about having a fetish for manly masculine factory workers or feeling bad for the poor.
lower classes will always be cucks even if they get 1 up over the other plebs
>>18533837Capitalism isn't ideology (saying opposite is Marxist brainrot).Capitalism existed throughout whole history of human civilization and will be exists in the future. Marx's theory is just typical for 18-19th centuries utopian shit according to which people would work for free, but no one would have responsibility for anything.People are hierarchical cruel monkeys. Our brains, subconscious habit and urges derived from stone age and absolutely haven't changed.Any attempts to build utopian paradise (fascist, communist, anarchist, etc) will inevitably reduce to oligarchic regime with different (depending on country) degrees of authoritarianism.
>Capitalism existed throughout whole history of human civilizationThe absolute state of the board.
>>18534835Capitalism existed throughout whole history of human civilizationLol, just lol. Nigga so dumb he thinks trading an apple for 2 coins is "Capitalism".
>>18534841It is and only tards say otherwise
>>18534841>he thinks trading an apple for 2 coins is "Capitalism".>Implying it isn'tPeople like you is the reason, why our civilization doomed.
>>18534852Read definition of capitalism or history of capitalism on any website
>>18534857Private property has existed since the Sumerians. Only tards say otherwise
>>18534857>capitalism>an economic and political system in which property, business, and industry are controlled by private owners rather than by the state, with the purpose of making a profit
>being slaves for capitalists is just heckin' human nature!!!!!!>i know this because the slaveholder class pumps out entire books explaining why capitalist slavery is goodlol
>>18534861Yeah, a very recent state of affairs
>>18534864Private property has existed since the Sumerians. Only tards say otherwise
>>18534864>very recent state of affairsSaid retard who jerks off to utopian theory from late 19th century.
>>18534865Yep, but not as the basis of the economy. This isn't an ideological point. I'm pro-capitalism>>18534872You realise capitalism being a recent state of affairs is a point in its favour. It is responsible for the massive transformation associated with the modern world - massively increased wealth, technology, globalisation, literacy, healthcare, innovation
>Private property has existed since the SumeriansWhat causes mentally ill "people" to think forbidding a parasitical cabal from "owning" critical industries and infrastructure implies forbidding them from owning their toothbrush?
>>18534872>Retard who has never read a single sentence on Palace Economies, Absolutist Empires, Feudal Obligations, or any history book not written by Milton Friedman.
>>18534875I actually wish mouth-breathing retards like you had gotten their way back when governments started dismantling the free-for-all market. All your loved ones deserve actual capitalism.
>>18534880What are you even seething about. I can't tell if you're a commie or a libertarian
>capitalism is when you own a chicken coop in Ur
>>18534882I'm genuinely seething about the fact that """the massive transformation associated with the modern world""" was retarded by the socialist-lite opposition into becoming the moderately toxic, destructive and subhumanizing enterprise that it is today instead of becoming the runaway, civilization-ending system it was meant to be.
>>18534884hi Nick
>>18534884>the socialist-lite oppositionAKA the top capitalists of the day.>instead of becoming the runaway, civilization-ending system it was meant to be.They knew the competition they were winning was unsustainable.
>>18534875The Romans had joint-stock companies (publicani), massive private estates (latifundia), wage labor, and complex banking networks. The core mechanism—accumulating resources, investing them for profit, and hierarchical ownership—didn't magically spawn in 18th century because someone invented a steam engine. It's an extension of basic human resource-hoarding behavior. Capitalism is just natural behaviour of the bald monkey brain.>>18534877>critical industries and infrastructureWho decides what constitutes "critical infrastructure"? The state. Who runs the state? The new vanguard elite. Are you bootlicker? Are you want to build shithole on the level of eastern despotist kingdom? Get the fuck out.
>>18534902>le "who decides" standardized talking pointI don't care. My point is that "private" individuals ""owning"" an civilization as their """property""" has not existed since the Sumerians, it was logistically and technologically impossible.
>>18534922an entire*
>>18534922In Bronze Age, private individuals owned massive estates, granaries, and slave workshops. Private merchants, for example, ran copper supply chains, literally critical military infrastructure of the era, entirely for private profit.
>>18534953>In Bronze Age, private individuals owned massive estates, granaries, and slave workshops>massiveLol.>Private merchants, for example, ran copper supply chains, literally critical military infrastructure of the era, entirely for private profit.Except they were subservient and accountable to the arbitrary (from a """business""" perspective) edicts from kings trying to keep their kingdoms and empires together.
>>18534352>factory worker in Argentinanot such thing since the 2000s
>>18533837No organization of people which does not strictly conform to their preexisting biological classifications, races, tribes, families, is a social construct designed to destroy white people.
>>18534838Define capitalism
>>18534990>a king did edicts and could trample over "liberal rights" therefore it was actually not a market economy and private ownership did not existYou have autism
>>18536580Capitalism is not an economic system. Capitalism is a delusional mental illness induced in low IQ cattle like you through years of systematic conditioning starting from age 0.
>>18536587>Capitalism is not an economic system. >Capitalism is a delusional mental illnessI know you think youre smart when you say such obvious nonsense.
>>18536661I know you don't really "think" anything. You're the biological equivalent of a corporate-trained chatbot.
>>18534311Are Leftists supporting mass immigration to accelerate the revolution?
>>18534396ableist bigot
>>18533837The whole point of Marx’s critique of reformists is to show that the proletariat has a greater interest in overcoming the bourgeoisie rather than allying itself with them, on the basis that the bourgeoisie holds more power and will always prioritize its interests over theirs through legal or violent means. He spends an entire chapter in the capital showing how this occurred historically at the end of the middle ages and in his political/historical analysisOn another level, the question of what’s in the interests of the proletariat is always a potential situation. Class collaboration, even if we abstract its inner mechanisms leading to its failures, simply can’t deliver a better situation than the repossession of the means of production>>18534835>>18534902You’re confusing basic bartering and trading, in which one item is produced to be traded for another, and capitalist production, where the goal is profit in-and-of itself. Marx acknowledges that unless scarcity is resolved, there will be some necessity in keeping a trading system where goods are produced to be exchanged for other goods. However, what capitalism does differently, beyond the class structure and ideology which emerges from it, is the inner goal of the productive process : to create more profit. All of the examples you cited had political objectives. They did not exist solely to create profit but had an ulterior motive for their existence. The modern firm on the other hand doesn’t : it exists to generate profit and keeps on doing so until it is liquidated.
>>18533889He was arguably more of a commie than Lenin, who allowed small private business. Not possible under glorious comrade Stalin's 5 year plans.
>>18534352Why even bring other countries into it. Your interests conflict because it is in the interest of him and his class for you to be paid as little as possible for as much work as possible and for you to be as desperate and weak as possible, with the worst practically maintainable conditions of life to enhance that desperation. It is in your interest to be paid as much as possible for a reasonable number of hours, with strong savings and security so you can't be easily pushed around and have everything dictated to you like a slave, you don't want to be desperate. Your interests necessarily, when the rubber meets the road, conflict given the fundamental nature of who you respectively are in society. What's good for them diverges, not always, not entirely, but very substantially from what's good for you.
>>18536872>bourgeoisie holds more power and will always prioritize its interests over theirsAnd you unironically think that’s a bad thing? The masses are simpletons who don’t know how run a society and will always be irrational idiots who don’t know what’s good for them.
>>18534354Richfags and immigrants are both trash. Give me socialism, but with nationalistic characteristics.
>>18536816Leftists are just retards supporting contradicting policies for vibes and shallow emotional validation from other brainwashed retards.
>>18537203Thats sounds good to me. Unfortunately in my country no such political party or political movement exists. It's either you're a laisser faire market liberal that says they want to limit immigration a little bit (but won't) vs leftists that say they will do socialism but want infinite 3rd world immigration while championing non-white idpol.
>>18537203So, corporatism you mean.
>>18534378Bah, the elites of the third world are more or less compradors that don't have equal status to the bourgeoisie of the first. Do note that this doesn't include immigrants to the first world, the billionaire roster has become very multi-racial in that regard, I'll give you that.>>18534392This has never happened.>>18536897The NEP was was a temporary measure amidst a civil war. They didn't differ that much beliefs wise. I think the early Soviet Union is interesting because of how formless everything was, they had to figure out how to build communism all on their own, so they tried a lot of things.
>>18537377Singapore is a corporatist parliamentary democracy (sorta)
>>18537395Literally a one party city state in the world's busiest trade lane. It's maybe corporatist? who knows. It's a very peculiar state anyway.
>>18534311>>class collaboration doesn’t existtell me then: What do the stars on the flag of the People's Republic of China stand for?
>>18533889let it go bordigist. not our fault you couldn't handle real nigga rollcall
>>18537395Singapore isn't a democracy for reason that have to do with the legacy of the Japanese occupation. Takes too long to explain, if you lived here you would understand
>>18537701Yeah that's why I added the >(sorta)I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts, I just started looking into the country recently.
