>appeal to emotion

>>18533926
calling things good or evil is inherently appealing to emotion

>>18533917
I answer it over and over again, but you're just not interested. You want to keep doing those shitty threads.

>>18535294
Answer again, humour me

Let me guess, it's for some grand mysterious unexplainable purpose that makes children being raped worth it

>>18533917
God is Imagination in man. So stop imagining so much rape you idiot.

>>18533926
is what your entire religion consists of, so surely you will accept OP's argument.

>>18533917
Child rape victims are easy to explains. Child cancer victims not so much.

>>18533917
humans have free will

>>18535904
Doesn't solve the problem of evil.

>>18536072
No, it doesnt solve it, but it explains it. Solving the problem requires a repentance.

>>18535778
Omnipotence.

>>18536110
You're thinking of the pastoral problem of evil, not the logical or evidentiary problem of evil. Common mistake.

>>18536110
How do you know ?
>>18535904
How do you know ?

>>18536134
Semantics.
It's self evident.
The same way I know an apple is red. I look at it, and say "red".
If I want to hurt someone, I have the free will to do it. Either I naturally dont want to, because its not in my nature, or I need to change my will and stop hurting people. Changing my crooked ways, and making them straight for the Lord is called "repentance".

In order for freedom and good to both exist, agents need to make benevolent choices.

>>18536139
You're a deterministic monkey though. Every thought you think, every decision you make is determined by outside forces beyond your ken :)

>>18536139
>If I want to hurt someone, I have the free will to do it.
How do you know
What is your definition of choosing something?
Does it mean that if the universe was duplicated, you choosing to press a button or not would randomly flip to yes or no?
Or is your choice non random? If it is non random, what causes it, if not hormones, logical associations your brain has made, your past experiences?

>>18536139
Right, but that doesn't solve the problem of evil. Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, revealed god be incapable to prevent evil?

>>18536145
You are free to call it whatever you want, but remember, hubris leads to nemesis. My actions are not determined with 100% accuracy, so thats why I choose not to call them deterministic. Also, I do not choose to call myself a monkey, but I do accept the label of ape in the proper context.

>muh evil
>Muh good
And this is not a state scam because?

>>18536145
>beyond your ken
It is beyond my "ken", because it is not understood, but experienced. And yes, it is founded on an infinite chain of causes, but the action is not determined, because its infinite, and because its not understood. Its not based on knowledge. Its based on experience, which is a point of infinity.

>>18536148
"Choice" is the experience of determining an action. Its a senbeings that is felt and informed by knowledge. Knowledge is a lifeless tool that I use to make choices as a living being.

>>18536216
>Choice is choice
You know you're wrong but still chose to escape uncomfortable thoughts through bullshittin

>>18536159
>revealed
God has not been fully revealed in terms of the geometer. God has been revealed in terms of the carpenter, so that we can actualize as a righteous tektōn builds.

>>18536225
You concede that I have a choice then.

>>18536237
We don't have any choice at all we don't even chose to be "ourselves", its just a fictitious soucially determined role. There is not even a self so no. God for a superior being sure doesn't seem like he is aware of the more modern ideas of philosophy, epistemology etc...
It all sounds like it was all written down at the time by people who knew nothing more than the knowledge of the time, and didn't think too deeply about the implications of "free will"

>>18536145
No, you are a deterministic monkey similar to a llm, because you castrate your will voluntarily to absolve yourself from personal responsibility. People with brains understand they have free will.

>>18533917
I reject the premises of the problem of evil. God is neither all powerful nor perfectly benevolent in any propositional sense. God is not constrained by axiomatic propositions or formal logic.

>>18536289
God doesn't exist, you maniac

>>18536225
I know that my knowledge is limited, but I would not define it as "wrong".

>>18536294
This thread isn't about the existence of God. It's about the problem of evil, which assumes the existence of God as a given. So stick to the thread topic.

>>18536256
>We don't have any choice at all we don't even chose to be "ourselves", its just a fictitious soucially determined role. There is not even a self
You are defining us as tools. I choose not to define myself as a tool, because I am alive, and I know that my experiance does influence outcomes. I have experienced this first hand. Its not based on knowledge. It's something that I have witnessed personally. Have you determined who your master is?

>>18536256
Im pretty sure that toolism and freedom are two sides of a spectrum of being. The more lost you are, the more you seek a master, and so you accept your role as a tool. However, if you're making good choices, you won't define yourself as a tool, but rather, you will want to hold obto your agency, which is working for you. As someone whonloves the egregore, and wants symbiosis, the best way to help others is not to manipulate them into staying tools, but it is to empower them to make better choices, so that you can focus your own agency on other things, in lieu of the micromanipulation of tools.

>>18536300
>Assume something retarded and then argue about it as if it's true!

>>18536159
If God destroyed evil right now, you would be wiped out.

>>18536226
>God has been revealed in terms of the carpenter
OK so I'm right. Why can he not?

>>18536324
So?

>>18536340
>Why can he not?
God chooses to be alive. Life is a process. When life is complete, there is death.

>>18533917
you are a just a worm dude, what makes you think you are entitled or even could comprehend the explanation

>>18536351
So why does he love evil?

>>18536340
>So?
NTA but God is very merciful, patient and long suffering and also fair so he gives you time for repentance. He would prefer if you turn away from your sin and seek him rather than having to destroy you. But he will destroy you if you do not.

>>18533917
Love and free will. Next question.

>>18536366
>He would prefer if you turn away from your sin and seek him rather than having to destroy you.
Why can't he just snap his fingers and turn people good, and why should I worship a god this weak and impotent?

>>18533917
I think it was answered before. Something about if there's no evil then there's no choice in being good. Without evil there's no good because like all dualities, one can't exist without the other

>>18536396
>Why can't he just snap his fingers and turn people good
Because people don't want to be tools, they want to be people. You're confusing mercy for weakness and impotence. This is a common deception.

>>18536356
It’s more accurate to say that God hates evil. Evil is a privation or corruption of life. Interestingly, ‘evil’ spelled backwards is ‘live,’ and its Old English root yfel has led some to see this inversion as meaningful. In this way, the idea appears embedded in the natural evolution of our common tongue, not by deliberate human design, but as a deeper pointer arising from the shared cultural consciousness of our egregore.

>>18536396
If you have specifically been hurt, and you are looking for help, then I would suggest that you seek help, rather than more conflict.

>>18536396
>Why can't he just snap his fingers and turn people good.

Because you don't deserve the blessings that are reserved for good people if you did not have to put any effort into being good. The blessings are worth more than all the told in the universe, they are holy and sacred and last eternally.

Stop being wicked and lazy and learn to do good.

>>18536396
God is incorporeal (without body or form). To experience divine effects in the physical world, human bodies must be persuaded toward positive action and change.
God manifests not as a solitary person, but as a unity measured in the gathering of two or three in shared essence. When one's own body and spirit lack strength, the command to 'love your neighbor as yourself' becomes essential: it aligns external bodies into supportive harmony.
Thus, bodies function like nations (goyim), serving as instruments and vessels of the spirit in the material realm.

>>18536494
>you don't deserve the blessings that are reserved for good people if you did not have to put any effort into being good.
Tell it to the dead babies in heaven, bud

If you hate the word then stop reproducing. Don’t add more people into this nightmare.

>>18536577
These kinds of questions require context.
The lazy are motivated to move.
The weary are motivated to rest.
There is not one answer that works in every situation. It can't be said that you should always work, or always rest. You should use prudence, and choose to do what is right for the moment.

>>18536577
There are no babies in heaven.

>>18536590
I don't hate the world though. Feel free to exclude yourself from the genepool, though. Defeatism for thee is reduced competition for me, and my offspring.

>>18536370
Neither of those answer the problem. So no, not next question.

>>18535904
what drives a human to freely choose to rape children? is it on a whim? where do the urges come from? did they freely choose to have them? normal people don't have any urge to rape chlidren they struggle to resist by their willpower

>>18536441
I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about God.

>>18536474
That doesn't answer the question. Though I'm curious: what does it say about your god that the best thing to turn to in order to "seek help" of any kind is never him?

>>18536494
Let me see if I got this right. I'm evil because God can't fix me, and God can't fix me because I'm evil? That doesn't make sense. I thought your religion had 2000 years to refine its theology.

>>18536744
No one would ever choose to be a pedophile. If you believe in god the only explanation is that god predestined them to be pedophiles..

>hmmm today I think I will become a social pariah and ruin any prospects of a normal life by being sexually attracted to children

>>18536780
>Let me see if I got this right. I'm evil because God can't fix me, and God can't fix me because I'm evil? That doesn't make sense. I thought your religion had 2000 years to refine its theology.
What is stopping you from being good right now other than your own will?

>>18536780
>I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about God
To answer your question more direcly. He can, but chooses not to, because of my previous answer, and because of his benevolence.

>>18536780
>That doesn't answer the question. Though I'm curious: what does it say about your god that the best thing to turn to in order to "seek help" of any kind is never him?
It doesn't say anything about my God, because I never said that. You dont need me for your straw man arguments, so I guess I'll leave you to it. Good luck.

>>18533917
Whatever, that's not even really a big deal, you can make a theology where God wants people to be able to experience the whole range of possible emotions, good or bad, and still be 100% good since people are eventually bound to eternities of bliss.

The bigger issue, if you are critiquing Christianity, is why was a savior, and Christ's sacrifice necessary to save people from damnation if God is omnipotent and could forgive sins from any point.1900 years of Christian theology could not properly answer this.

>>18536795
>What is stopping you from being good right now other than your own will?
Doesn't matter. God knows, and if he could and wanted to minimize evil, he'd act on it.

>>18536813
Benevolence means not minimizing evil? Sounds a bit wacky to me.

>>18536824
>I never said that.
Never claimed you did. It's just objectively true.

claiming that evildoers will be punished in the next life is cope.

>>18535355
Best post

>>18536720
I know.

https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA

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>>18533926
theres no appeal to emotion, its an internal critique that your god fails while being judged by your own standards by any of your own vague definitions of justice that you want to take.

logically christianity just resolves into authority worship.

>>18535904
>humans have free will
The most basic thing about having any actual "free will" would be the free will capability to choose if you want to exist at all. God not allowing people who are basically set to hell to just cease existing at all means that he would be a vengeful deity that forces you to exist against your will in order to suffer.
Especially at the beginning of one's existance, before you are put in this world if God cared he would surely ask you "Hey, you are basically predestined for an INFINITY/a lot of suffering after you commit some sins in this literally infinitely tiny blip of time you will be on Earth, do you still want to exist or rather would skip INFINITE/a lot of suffering?" No one sane would want this, and even if some insane people would, they should still have a choice to stop existing at any point in their life or even in hell then.
So God then doesn't give you the basics of actual free will and he specifically forces you to exist and suffer.

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>>18533917
Let's see if drawing will help you understand.

>>18536886
>Doesn't matter. God knows, and if he could and wanted to minimize evil, he'd act on it.

He acted on it by not allowing evil people entrance to the earth 2.0 that's coming after 1.0 is destroyed.

>>18537989
This is never happening buddy.

>>18533917
Would free will still exist if some people were born without an inherent desire to rape babies to death?
What's the purpose of some people having this desire?
Why do innocents have to suffer at the hands of ontologically evil people?
Why does a just God doom some completely innocent and pure people to experience unimaginable suffering?

>>18538030
It is happening, it's already underway. Pay attention to global stage.

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You can be born in North Korea. Some people even think that you can be reborn there, they think it’s where Hell takes place. No more internet.

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>>18538460

>>18533917
Nah you're probably right. Enjoy all the child porn and snuff films you want. Morality doesn't even exist, probably.

>>18537989
>not allowing evil people entrance
I see borders being removed. Where exactly is this delineation you are talking about?

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>>18538484
If you sneed the the threat of eternal infernal damnation by a foreskin slurping desert demon in order to make you act morally, you an immoral person.
>christcuck finds out god doesn't exist
>well, I guess I better get to raping my daughter and killing my wife
Your brain on Abraham's madness.

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>>18533917
>>2026
>>still no real answer for why a good god would permit so much evil
>You should take it up with all the child rape victims and explain to them why them being raped as a child was necessary for some vague greater good
For. The. Gorillionth. Fucking. Time.
God. Doesn't. Fucking. Exist.

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>>18538550
gods law supposedly existing obviously doesn't stop people from raping and murdering either

>>18538549
What do you mean by "God"? Do you think that everyone shares your definition?

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>>18538550
Dirty little secret
Dirty little lies
Say your prayers and comb your hair
Save your soul tonight
Drift among the faithful
Bury your desires
Aberrations fill your head
You need a place to hide
And I am
Do you remember me?
The kid I used to be?
Do you remember me?
When your world comes crashing down
I want to be there
If God is looking down on me
I'm not Jesus
Jesus wasn't there
You confess it all away
But it's only shit to me
If God is looking down on me
I'm not Jesus
I will not forgive
No I won't
No I won't
I've thought you were a good man
I've thought you talked to God
You Hippocratic, messianic, child abusing, turned satanic
Do you remember me?
Do you remember me?
The kid I used to be?
Do you remember?
Do you remember?
When your own world comes undone
Let me be the one to say
(If God is looking down on me)
I'm not Jesus
You can't run away
And the innocence you spoil
Found a way to live
If God is looking down on me
I'm not Jesus
I will not forgive
I will not forgive
I won't be whatever you want to
I will not forgive
I won't be whatever you want to
Do you remember me?
The kid I used to be?
Not the same as I used to be
Oh, do you remember me?
No
When your world comes crashing down
I want to be there
If God is looking down on me
I'm not Jesus
Jesus wasn't there
You confess it all away
But it's only shit to me
If God is looking down on me
I'm not Jesus
I will not
I'm not Jesus
I will not forgive
Oh, I will not forgive, yeah yeah
No, I will not forgive

>>18538555
>gods law supposedly existing obviously doesn't stop [all] people from raping and murdering either
Ftfy

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>>18538556
You yourself don't know what the fuck "god" is, that is why you have a big ass fictional book of contradictions you could flip through at your convenience and leisure.

>>18538564
I was just curious what your definition of God is. As for me, I am not your straw man. If you really want to know me, just ask, and I will tell you.

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>>18538569
I guess for you it is taking seriously whatever monkey shit bullshit was going on in Abraham's head.

An idealized, externalized version of humanity's highest moral aspirations or parental authority.
A psychological coping mechanism to manage existential fear, death anxiety, and the overwhelming indifference of nature.
A "wish-fulfillment" figure an omnipotent father who never abandons you.

>>18538563
>gods law can also justify people raping and murdering

Numbers 31:17-18
King James Version

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

FTFY

>>18537989
That's not what minimizing means, you dingus.

>>18538504
Is your name written in the book of life? If not then you belong to death and will dwell in her forever. You will not enter the new world and inherit a piece of paradise.

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>>18538629
>muh happy place
Anon, have you considered the possibility that we are already in the worst of hells, or did your nose not catch the waft of sulfur? Have you ever once considered the possibility that you already lost the spiritual little game you are trying to win, or is that too brutal for your feeble weak mind to entertain?

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>>18538628
>HURR DURR, BUT MUH HEEBIN GARDEN OF EDEN 2.0 TROOST GERD'S PLAN, HEATHEN!

>>18538584
Why are you guessing? Do you not have your own definition? Is it because God does not exist for you? I already told you, if you want to know my definition, I can share it with you. You just have to ask, and listen. You don't need to guess. Nor do you need to carry straw men around with you.

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>>18538663
>straw men
That's quite the accusation from someone that literally believes in a nigger in the clouds looking out for them. What strawman? The fact that I'm pointing out that you literally believe in one?

>>18538666
Your back must hurt from all that straw you carry around like a camel. My burden is light.

>>18533917
because the "oNe TrUe ChUrE" loves pedophiles

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>>18538670
>My burden is light.
(x) Doubt. I don't feel the sneed to nail myself to a plank like an edgy emo teenager in order to atone for my sins.