>>18534027
Once you deny the apostolic church, it's authority and tradition you need to fall back to scripture as the sole authority.
But if the scripture contains major errors and faults your theology would be flawed.

So necessarily the texts must have some sections that are undoubtedly perfect.

>>18534062
You basically described why so many sects of Christianity exist too
>You don't agree with the Church's interpretation of the Bible so you fall back on Biblical authority
>You realize the Bible isn't perfect so you fall back on your personal Biblical canon instead
>You find other people who agree with your personal Biblical canon more than the established ones
>Your interpretation evolves into its own church
>You don't agree with the Church's interpretation of the Bible so you fall back on Biblical authority
repeat ad nauseam

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>>18534027
That's from Protestants (American Protees to be specific)
The stance for 1500+ years was

"The Bible was written by men inspired by God and guided by the Holy Spirit"

It was actually borderline blasphemous for the Early Church to say that Satan could quote the Bible as it demonstrates that the scriptures aren't as powerful. But Temptation of Christ happened and that was the stance that the Church upheld - the Bible is not holy. It is holy only if interpreted correctly under the guidance of the Magisterium, as dictated by Tradition

>>18534069
Sects of *protestants
Catholic and Orthodoxy FORBIDS personal interpretation

There is only 1 Truth
And truth is to be questioned, studied, tested, and trialed

Every heresy were trialed in public precisely so everyone will know why it is a heresy.
This includes Luther himself who was given a public debate that he lost so hard he never debated again

>>18534098
sounds like some retarded fandom's made up rules

>>18534105
This is how the Catholic Church created the Bible canon - by putting it under trial by fire

>>18534027
Not only that, but it's been translated. And then beyond the translation, there are updated spellings and punctuation.

>>18534027
God revealed the Bible to the writers in visions. It is not the work of humans.

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>>18534268
why are visions from God not able to correctly recall events?

>>18534270
They all agree except for minor wording differences

>>18534272
>except for
That's not agreement. Visions from God should be able to tell you exactly what was written on that thing unless you say it's a hazy type of vision

>>18534273
Can you recall dreams perfectly?

>>18534274
No but then that just means the errors in the bible are the work of forgetful humans. You're trusting your salvation in a bunch of arbitrarily collected books filled with these

>>18534275
It's not arbitrary, we are guided by the Holy Ghost.

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>>18534276
if that is the case why are the holy spirits not in agreement, people forgot their hazy dreams again?

>>18534279
The disagreements are minor. All of them agree on the core material.

>>18534110
>trial by fire
Sounds like evolution.
John 15

2 Peter 1:21 “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

>>18534098
>That's from Protestants (American Protees to be specific)
>The stance for 1500+ years was
Delusional tradcath counter-factual history

>>18534270
>correctly recall events
You're looking for errors, and so that is what you are finding. If you want the truth, you need to look for it.
Matthew 7:16

>>18534270
This would not have been considered “incorrect” or contradictory until very recently in history. You are imposing on scripture standards of what constitutes an error which are utterly foreign to its historical context.

>>18534273
That's Islam. They believe that their book is a God. Christianity teaches that the book is record, and God is with us.

The Holy Spirit dwells with believers. The focus is on relationship with a living God more than perfect textual preservation. The Bible points to Christ, who is the ultimate "Word of God" John 1:1.

>>18534273
Who told you the Gospels were the product of a vision from God?

>>18534288
>half the canon
>minor

>>18534275
>You're trusting your salvation in a bunch of arbitrarily collected books.
No. There is a reason that the resurection is a core belief to christianity. You can't destroy the truth by burning books. Even if the memory of God is destroyed, it will rise again, because it is truth. Its the same with physics. Just because a physics book is written by men, and might have some minor errors, that doesnt make the truth of physics false. And if you burn the books, some day the truth will he rediscovered. You will know the truth by it's fruit.
John 21:25

>>18534279
The Holy Spirit only works upon His chosen people through His own words so only Protestant Christianity is relevant here.

>>18534275
See >>18534374
The holy scriptures differ from each other not in substance but only in style.

>>18534027
The whole thing is fucked and requires multiple leaps of faith and even then you have to live the rest if your life gaslighting yourself

>>18534415
>anyways, I support trans rights

>>18534419
>christkek has trannies living rent free in his head

As usual lol

>>18534270
Your argument is like a person reading three scientific textbooks about gravity, and he is complaining because one talks about falling oranges, the other, falling apples, and the third, falling bananas. The person completely ignores the point of the book, which is to explain gravity, and they instead go around arguing that physics is a lie, because apples are not bananas.

>>18534437
All you are doing is conceding that the bible is littered with errors

>>18534430
There is no reason to be against trannies if you’re an atheist. Postmodernism is just logically consistent atheism, the only consistent atheist is a raving lunatic.

>>18534098
The Apostles seemed to believe that the Bible was God's Word verbatim, not merely "guided."

>And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
>Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

>And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
>Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

>>18534445
No. Im saying that if a woman wants to invent problems, she can do that, but im not interested in her drama. I'm interested in how physics works. I dont care if the teacher uses apples or bananas in his lecture, so long as the intended teaching is fruitful.

>>18534496
The discussion isn't about which parts of the bible story you believe. You have already conceded that the bible is erroneous.

>>18534501
The whole world is erroneous. That's why God became a man.

>>18534508
I'm not interested in the religious babble. This discussion ended with your concession that the bible is erroneous.

>>18534512
So you're feeling lonely, and you just want to find people who agree with you.

Where two or three gather in my name, there I am with them.

>>18534027
>Can someone explain this to me?
No because you are committing the sin of the works of the flesh. As long as you are committing that sin, you can’t be spiritual. In order to stop, you would have to stop committing the sins found in Galatians 5. If you set aside your heart of pride and arrogance, then maybe you can be teacheable.

Mr Myagi in karate kid would never even begin to teach one who is arrogant and prideful. Because he already understands what is in the heart, is untamable and doesn’t really want to know God, or turn and repent and be a creature of the light and the day. And one only acts as one like Satan is forced to do when he must.

The Holy Word of God, the KJV Bible was not written by human beings. It was written down by human beings. But the entire Word of God was divinely inspired, and written very carefully by translators from the Greek, Hebrew, Latin and Arabic scrolls which was first gotten from God before it was then very miraculously given to us all from the creation of the printing press by Germany. Roman Catholics tried to kill anyone trying to translate their Latin version and they couldn’t stop the original one being translated. King James (of Scotland, England the whatever), had real men of God spend their entire lives translating it and meditating on the right words. It may contain a few problematic translations, but they are easily understood, like “the greatest of love, faith, and hope, is love.”
Charity is used instead, which places more emphasis on works than on someone choosing to love from their heart, but one can see the choice and accept it still stems from the root word, love. Same with the choice they made in several locations to say wine instead of juice from the vine of grapes. Health food stores used to sell Resveratrol from Concord grapes skins. Now they selling Japan knotweed. The Bible is God-Breathed. God’s mistakes are intentional for our sakes. His weaknesses are stronger than our strengths.

>>18534606
This is literal schizophrenia.

>>18534027
>Can someone explain this logic to me?
There is no logic in the position, so no.

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>>18534606
>The Holy Word of God, the KJV Bible was not written by human beings.
Yes it was lmao. It was commissioned for the Church of England by James VI and I, the textual basis for the Old Testament was the Bishop's Bible, commissioned by Archbishop Mathew Parker and the textual basis for the New Testament was a series of manuscripts that don't date any earlier than the 11th century

>>18535074
I suppose he means "authored."
All things considered, all that is needed for a Bible translation is a perfect translation of *meaning*.

>the textual basis for the New Testament was a series of manuscripts that don't date any earlier than the 11th century
yeah bro I'm sure they came out of nowhere without anyone questioning it.

>>18535074
No it wasn’t. Read about what God said about Baal and moloch for the Israelite people. And then what God did with those people in Israel. It didn’t apply to people in Greece/Carthage.

The Bible was purified 7 times, meaning the kjv bible came from 7 entirely different Bible translations in English before it was ready to be handed to the common reader.

You sound like a Roman Catholic. “I don’t really know and I plan to just shit on what it says because it sounds cool like the world does and I don’t plan to submit and surrender to what God says, I am above the Creator. You’ll see”
You’ll be in immense pain and hell.

The entire world would still be sacrificing babies to false gods if it wasn’t for Christianity. This means you would still be holding public sacrifices in hopes it appeases angry invisible gods. It has nothing to do with atheism and science. People have a thing for the supernatural even if they are science minded. It stems from their fear of the unknown.

By the way, if you won’t surrender to God now, by believing that Jesus Christ died for you, then you never will. So why do waste time blaspheming him? You carry immense weight trying to remove something that is eternally here to stay. Like I said, there is more people in heaven after everyone goes to hell that thinks like me.

I see lots of old people who run back to religion in hopes it makes up for lost time. But those people still don’t get it. God wasn’t your fire extinguisher for when it got hard. You have a lifetime of how you hurt christians waiting for you at the end. They forgive you, but you betrayed them your entire life.

>>18535108
>No it wasn’t.
No anon pretty sure it was. Pretty sure we know the names of the authors and editors of it and I'm pretty sure your personal headcanon is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

>>18535120
No, because if you did, you would have known that. You sound like a bot or just someone who argues because you don’t want to believe in God. So why don’t you go join your discord tranny.

>>18535132
No anon, I'm arguing that we know the names of who wrote the New Testament because we literally do lmao. Their names are right there.

>>18535108
>sacrificing babies
No such thing existed, you fell for Israelite propaganda

>>18535134
Im referring to how the kjv Bible was translated. The people who wrote down the bible for the author , nor did the author write the bible. It’s called being channeled like a straw. Not even Paul knew what God would make him write. Jesus himself edified Paul’s writings before they went to make it in the King James Version.
>>18535137
Like I said, tranny, discord and Reddit is over there.
Human sacrifice was worldwide gentile universal religion. God only chose to make examples out of moloch and Baal in Israel because they came there. Moloch was standard form Greeks.

>>18535134
Im pretty sure that what he is saying is that people dont just write physics books. The physics writes the books through the people who are writing down what physics says.

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>>18535148
Then why did Jesus/God make so many glaring mistakes? You can argue that they aren't mistakes an that reality should just conform to blatant contradictions, or you can simply accept that the Bible was divinely inspire but still ultimately written by people capable of making mistakes. Occam's Razor tells me that the latter is the most likely

>>18535154
But the difference is that physics textbooks can be revised but a Biblical Canon cannot.

>>18535157
There is a core canon that is being preserved, but this canon is open to interpretation, so that there are updated translations, just as there is updated text books.

The message of the bible is not about knowledge, but wisdom. Science and religion are not studying the same thing. science studies the omniscience of God, and religion studies the benevolence of a God.

Benevolence as a product of experience and can be understood first hand by the conciousness directly. When revealed, it is self evident, and absolute. However, omniscience is always limited by the capacity of the mind and is subject to change.

>>18535176
>science studies the omniscience of God, and religion studies the benevolence of a God.
Can you expand upon what you actually mean by this or is this just rhetorical nonesense that you hope you don't get called out on?

>>18535148
>Human sacrifice was worldwide gentile universal religion
No it wasn’t you cuckold

>>18535178
Good science will tell you how to build an atomic bomb, but you need something else to tell you when to use it, or if you ever should use it. Good religion properly instructs the motivation and agency. It's not as complicated as science, because benevolance is a choice, not an infinite universe of data. All the Law, and everything professed, hangs on two commands. Love your neighbor as yourself. Religion is a choice, and once an egregore has made a choice, you either agree, or disagree with it's choices. You either follow it, or you don't. It's not rhetorical nonsense. It's rhetorical sense. Religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind.

If I must be an atheist, I will be an atheist like Justin Martyr was an atheist.

>>18534448
It is God's words but the fact that he used men as instruments mean that it isn't free from wrong interpretation.
Just look at what Satan did

The Bible did not fall from the sky
And the Bible that Protestants uses was made by the Catholic Church

>>18535367
>The Bible did not fall from the sky
It was still written by people though

>>18535417
Yes, exactly
Temporal and imperfect humans under the guidance of an infinite God

>>18534374
>This would not have been considered “incorrect” or contradictory until very recently in history.
That's because the Church burned you at the stake if you dared to read it on your own without supervision from those higher up in the cult hierarchy. Anyway it is a biblical standard to have your testimony line up for it to be truthful "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses". So the bible invalidates itself lmao

>>18534027
the logic is that it's an assertion you have to make for religious purposes
and so they just say it
that's how religion works

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>>18535459
>Church burned you at the stake if you dared to read it on your own without supervision from those higher up in the cult hierarchy
Protestant propaganda
Every burning at the stake was given a PUBLIC trial. And it was given multiple times for multiple months

Luther himself was found guilty, accused of heresy, branded as an Outlaw, and then was let go. He was never arrested. He was "kidnaped" by the German king who hid him because he was useful in their quest to be their own moral authority

Yes, the Church burned people for heresy *after a very long patience

Not burning people for blatant heresies is how you end up with Prosperity scams and Evangelicals who founded Israel in order to kickstart "le Rapture"

>>18535491
Why are you an autogynephiliac?

>>18535491
>burning people alive good but also we didn't do it and even if we did it was for a righteous and moral reason™
You have no idea what you're talking about. The main reasons bible reading and translation was not allowed was specifically because the cult members were afraid of what would happen if regular people got to look at the books themselves.
>For you should have kept before your eyes the warnings which our predecessors have constantly given, namely, that, if the sacred books are permitted everywhere without discrimination in the vulgar tongue, more damage will arise from this than advantage. Furthermore, the Roman Church, accepting only the Vulgate edition according to the well-known prescription of the Council of Trent, disapproves the versions in other tongues and permits only those which are edited with the explanations carefully chosen from writings of the Fathers and Catholic Doctors, so that so great a treasure may not be exposed to the corruptions of novelties, and so that the Church, spread throughout the world, may be of one tongue and of the same speech. [...]
This is the main reason you to this day are forced to learn a dead language if you want to participate in the higher levels of the cult. It was a means to hide the reality of things from the masses

God fated them to compose that nonsense. This is obvious because if it weren't true, we would have to blame the saints for their benightedness, and then how could they be saints?

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>>18535514
That is 100% lie
Most Churches has a Bible chained at the podium precisely because they wanted everyone to have access to it

Furthermore, the Church is responsible for the success of the Printing Press.
The Church owns as much as 60% of Printing presses in Europe precisely because they wanted to distribute as many Bibles and theological works as they could.

Meanwhile:
Protestants cannot say if Evolution is true

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>>18535519
>we know you can't read it because we intentionally keep it in millennia old foreign tongues but here it is, wink wink
performative bullshit
>wanted to distribute as many Bibles and theological works as they could
Yes to their churches not the people, they wanted every single town to have a cult center
>Protestants cannot say if Evolution is true
Neither can you without invalidating the bible...
>>18535494
The reason is since they grew up the priest no longer looks at them with a pole in his robe and they miss this. The only people that can have that effect are choir boys and the virgin they have turned into an idol. Combined with the fact that Catholicism inherently is just female worship with extra steps you can see where he's coming from.

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>>18535583
The Bible was written in Greek precisely so that everyone will be able to read

Then they translated it to Latin so that it will be accessible to EVERYONE in Eastern Europe

You are required to learn ancient and extinct languages if you want to be a Vatical Librarian. Aka the people who archives everything and are obligated to know what they are archiving

Meanwhile:
Prots cannot say how old is the Earth

>>18534027
Protestants rejected the Church, which is the body of Christ. Having rejected God's worldly incarnation, all they had left was a book, so the book took on the characteristics of God: perfect, inerrant, all-knowing. The Bible became their God.

>>18535597
>Having rejected God's worldly incarnation
You DO realize that words MEAN things, right?

>>18535586
If it was written entirely in Hebrew people would still be able to read it with just as much effort. And as for Latin sure that was back when everyone spoke that. But when they didn't your cult actively stopped translation efforts throughout Europe so they can maintain religous authority
>Prots cannot say how old is the Earth
6000-7000 years old

>>18535597
Why are God's words not perfect and inerrant? How come it they sound like exactly what a being who is not all-knowing would say?

>>18535601
Yes. The Church is literally Christ's body. It is Christ's manifestation in the world. To reject the Church is to reject Christ.

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>>18535604
Are you a fool?

The Septuagiant (Greek Bible) was made because Hebrew language was DEAD.
The Babylon captivity killed Israel's culture and language. Hebrew became a language spoke only by scholars
Then came Alexander who imposed Helenization of the world and made everyone speak Greek

Out of desperation to preserve God's words, the Septuagint was made so that everyone will continue to know God's words

The Church will always advocate for translating the Bible in the common tongue. It is and never will be, an exclusive club.

What they forbid are translations from bogus translators. You will not advocate for AI translated works
Why should the Church allow bogus scribes to translate it

>>18535613
Don't try to explain history to a Protestant. He probably thinks modern Israelis are God's chosen people.

>>18535610
Have you considered the possibility you are abject blasphemers that do everything contrary to Jesus Christ?
No. I mean. Have you at least considered it?

For example. Look at this retard. I hope he's retarded. Or else he's an abject blasphemer.
>The Septuagiant (Greek Bible) was made because Hebrew language was DEAD.
The Babylon captivity killed Israel's culture and language. Hebrew became a language spoke only by scholars
??? lol what is this n00b talking about???

> And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue
>(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

So, no, the crowd of rioters (not scholars), understood "spoken" Hebrew, which you seem to think they couldn't. Doofus.

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>>18535627
Mate, the fact that Luke emphasized that Paul spoke in Hebrew at that moment tells you outright that the language is rarely spoken
In fact, it tells you that they went silent upon hearing Hebrew language because it is the language of PRIESTS, not commoners. They knew on the spot that Paul is not a common man

The common tongue is Koine Greek and that was what the Septuagint and NT was written in

>>18535647
>the language is rarely spoken
You said it was "dead" and "only spoken by scholars"
Stupid idiot. Motte and bailey dingus.

>>18535653
Say all you wish, you got the point

>>18534272
>they all agree, except they don't

>>18534374
>This would not have been considered “incorrect” or contradictory until very recently in history.
people were pointing these contradictions out for a long time. it's just that the church had totalitarian power and suppressed thrm.

>>18534437
>Your argument is like a person reading three scientific textbooks about gravity, and he is complaining because one talks about falling oranges, the other, falling apples, and the third, falling bananas.
... when talking about the same particular event.

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>>18535604
>>Prots cannot say how old is the Earth
>6000-7000 years old
At least Catholics don't deny the existence of fucking uranium

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>>18535744
Big Bang was made by a Catholic Priest
In fact, scientific method was made by the Franciscans

Modern science was deliberately created by the Church in order to disuade the people from practicing magic

People didn't stop practicing magic because it was fraud
It was replaced by faith and science

>>18535753
>catholic priests made up bullshit that goes against the bible
>idolatrous retards eat it up as if it's the word of God

>>18535753
>Big Bang was named by a Catholic Priest
fify

>>18535755
NTA but The Catholic model of the Big Bang suggests that it was a singularity/single creation event and thus supports the Bible

>>18535753
>Big Bang was made by a Catholic Priest
thirteen billion and change years ago, a catholic priest made the big bang.

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>>18535755
>>18535757
>>18535763
George Lamitre is a Catholic Priest and Physicist

His introduced the concept of start of a universe by calling it the "Primordial Atom"

Atheists went full apeshit against it
And Einstein himself called it "Creationist Propaganda"

Atheists coined the term "Big Bang" as a mockery of it. And they mocked it all way to the 95's

Now, were here

>>18535767
Yes and it's a false theory according to the bible, open up Genesis. It starts with creation being initiated and then it shifts to a dark formless earth without any stars or sun in the sky. According to science the Sun formed first approximately 4.6 billion years ago, and the Earth formed roughly 50 to 100 million years later. Both are significantly younger than the age of the universe yet in the bible the Earth was seemingly formed at the same time as the heavens

>>18534027
>Can someone explain this logic to me?
Genesis was dictated to Moses by God.

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>>18535771
Nope. It is completely in sync

Day 1 says nothing but a formless darkness and water and then God said Let there be Light
This refers to the creation of the Sun

The Sun was the result of formless clouds of hydrogen and helium that coalesed and collapsed into a nuclear reactor. And since the Sun is a Type 3 star, then the cloud is already filled with ice

Day 2 refers to the separation of land and sea
Which refers to the first continents

Day 3 is about Life
Life sprang as early as 1 Billion after Earth was created

Day 4 says the creation of the stars
This refers to the atmosphere of the Earth finally clearing up after eons of tectonic activity. Earth's atmosphere was exactly like Venus until the volcanoes stopped and the Cyano bacteria created the first photosynthesis and locked all the carbon in the air underwater

Day 5 are sea creatures and birds
This refers to the first fishes
I am not sure why birds are included here but flying insects did started to appear during this time.

Day 6 are animals

And Day 7 are humans


And Day 7 never ended
We are still in Day 7 - the Sabbath

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>>18535779
>Day 6 are animals
>And Day 7 are humans
Sorry
Day 6 are animals and humans
Day 7 is rest which never ended. There was no "night"

We are still in the Sabbath and it will not end

OT: Age of the Father
NT: Age of the Son
Judgement Day: Age of the Holy Spirit

>>18535779
The sun, moon and stars were formed on day 4, after the earth, sea, plants were formed. Read your holy book.

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>>18534027
God used humans to write His book for other humans to read. Yes, God can control what happens to the Bible and what is included in it.

God has given us a book without error, inconsistency or contradiction. God is perfect, therefore His word (The Bible) that He promised to preserve (Psalms 12:6-7) has to also be perfect as well, otherwise it is not the pure word of God. If you're reading a bible that has errors in it, like the modern bibles translated from the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts from Egypt, then you have to admit it's not the 100% pure word of God because it has errors. Examples of errors: https://kjvcompare.com/

The Bible is a miracle, not only is it historically proven with is many many prophecies and facts about the world proven later by science, it has also incredible mathematical patterns that no human would be able to create, such as:

https://truthischrist.com/seven/
https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/
https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/

Even though humans make mistakes, God does not, so He can make sure that the Bible stays exactly like He wants it be. Before the KJV the word of God was preserved scattered in manuscripts, but right now all of it can be read in english.

Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)


Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>18535771
Augustine of Hippo explicitly rejected literal 24-hour creation days in De Genesi ad Litteram (c. 401 AD), over 1400 years before Darwin. He argued the days were not temporal periods but stages of angelic knowledge, and that creation was likely instantaneous. He wrote: "It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though unfortunately widespread, for unbelievers to hear a Christian talking nonsense on scientific topics, giving the meaning of holy scripture in a foolish way" (De Genesi ad Litteram 1.19.39). He was worried about Christians making fools of themselves by reading Genesis as a science textbook 1600 years ago.
The Catholic Church never taught young earth creationism. That is a Protestant fundamentalist innovation, mostly American, mostly 20th century. The Big Bang was proposed by Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest and physicist. Einstein called it "creationist propaganda." Atheists mocked it for decades precisely because it implied a beginning, which is exactly what Genesis says.
The Protestant asks when the dinosaurs died. The Catholic asks who is God, what is man, why is the world broken, and how is it redeemed. Genesis answers the second set of questions, not the first. The four senses of scripture (CCC 115-119), systematized by Aquinas from Augustine and Origen: literal (what the author intended, including genre), allegorical (points to Christ), moral (what you should do), anagogical (where you're going). Genesis 1 is not a cosmology paper. It is a theological polemic against Babylonian creation myths, declaring that the sun and moon are not gods but created things, and that the universe is ordered and good.

>>18535491
>And it was given multiple times for multiple months
Doesn’t matter, nobody should be legally required to be part of the church and the church has no right to intervene in the political affairs of any nation. To place your loyalty to the church above loyalty to your own country makes you a fifth column.

>>18535779
You are actually retarded bro.

>>18536585
So did Philo around the time of Jesus, and almost every other church father. This idea of heaven and earth just literally being the "sky" and some "flat plain of dirt" is a modern idea. The tower of babel clearly rejects the idea of pure literal interpretation with modern understandings. Words and meanings evolve, but a lot of people don't seem to understand this.

>>18537055
FYI they use the same word for heaven and sky in most languages. In Hebrew it’s Shamayim (שמים), in Greek it’s οὐρανός, and in Latin it’s Caelim. So yes, they did believe heaven was in the sky

>>18537162
*caelum