how come mormons are so sucesfull when their ancestors must have been pretty fucking stupid and gullible to fall for this obvious grifter?
>>18534116They emphasize family, good conduct, community, and education. Thus they are a successful group. That's all it takes.
There is no ideology stupid enough to counter the sheer intellectual might of the White Angloid.
>>18534116maybe everyone around them was also stupid and gullible.
>>18534116Nepotism within a multi-ethnic context is extremely powerful when everyone else is deracinated. Mormons operate as an ethnicity/tribe apart. Mormons in Utah do not fare as well as Mormons implanted in multi-faith, multi-ethnic parts of the US.
mormonism is just islam for white people
>>18534568Mormonism is not completely ethnoreligious though, lots of non-anglo converts these days.
>>18534259>>18534625>>18534568i thought most mormons where of german descent
>>18534730Most are English descent. I believe they have the highest English heritage in America due to a shitload of English converts migrating to Utah.
>>18534259This is it. So long as the society is >99.5% white then it will go to the stars. Introduce darkness and watch it collapse.
why do these morons even bother sending their dorky missionaries to europe? i can't imagine they ever manage to convert anyone, the fringe market of religious schizoid is already covered by JWS freaks and evangelical retards anyways.
>>18534116I'm pretty sure most mormons don't trace their mormon heritage all the way to when Joseph Smith was alive.
>>18534730>>18534746>>18534820>>18535019>>18535047Ethnicity does not have strict boundaries. People joining tribes happens all the time. A religion is a tribe not strictly bound by ethnicity. They still practice nepotism and have strong in-group vs. out-group preferences.
>>18534259>There is no ideology stupid enoughnah, that's protestantism. mormons and catholics all have triple digit IQs and value education where as prots don't have the former and don't value the latter
>>18534623>white IslamExtremely old, tired and braindead take.
>>18534116a lot of mormons was Danes
>>18534135They emphasize something else too. Money. The LDS church is extremely financially literate and their members reflect this. They value building wealth over everything else.J Smith's entire life was spent collecting all the power, women and money in his little town, and it's why he got lynched. But after the religion owns the town, the leaders are free to collect without getting lynched.
>>18534625No anglo converts now. Only central and south Americans. The only fertile ground for their goofy religious is thirdies.
>>18535295Joseph Smith literally compared himself to Muhammad
>>18535435That isn't enough to make a decent comparison. Some elements of Islam are unforgiving and uncompromising. The Mormon church is the definition of compromising. They have convenient revelations every time culture changes. Their voting blocks and behavior is milquetoast and middle of the road. They just want to fit in and be liked, and they desperately want to be categorized with the rest of Christianity. One similarity is that Islam is cringing and pathetic as a minority, and then massively oppressive when it gets a majority. The LDS church would certainly do this do too if it weren't for the US government. They still hold out hope for establishing their own country, and that is a project they appear to still be working on, possibly.
>>18535019>why do these mor[m]ons [sic] even bother sending their dorky missionaries to europe?It's a Rite of Passage and all that entails.
>>18534116Nigga, what if the dude in pic related was an extraterrestrial? Ever thought of that?
>>18534116Religion was fact centuries ago so any batshit protestany faith was considered legit
>>18535077ah yes the triple digit iqs of latin america
>>18535445>and they desperately want to be categorized with the rest of Christianity.Well, too bad. We follow Christ, the Son of God, while they follow some horny scam artist.
>>18535435Perhaps, though that comes from a hostile source (Thomas B Marsh). Mormonism uses different terms for different concepts which have more in common with Christianity than a few surface-level comparisons with Islam (history with polygamy, dietary restrictions). You could use the Nicene Creed as the arbiter to exclude them if you want to use that metric. But unlike Islam or Judaism, Christ is the center and source of salvation of that religion but uses different metaphysics and terms for the same biblical concepts. At best to mainstream Christianity, it is a heretical sect in that it deviates from the Nicene definition, but in everything the mainline Mormon church teaches is christianity derived. Some people like to say its the fourth Abrahamic religion but I personally don’t think that’s necessarily correct. I think “restorationist Christianity” is a better category.
>>18535699lmaoI think anyone who wants to say they are christian is one, since that's all meaningless to me. However, if they really believe they're christians with a relationship with god, there's no damn reason they all need to be squabbling with christians over labels on social media all the time. It smacks of serious insecurity.Also, the book of mormon's existence goes against Revelations 22:18-19.>>18535702It's a plagiarism of christianity. It's heavily derivative.
>>18535702People make way too much of the dietary restrictions. >>18535713You are making an arbitrary distinction there. And it is not even true, it's theology is very novel when all is said and done. It takes a different direction to the source material, so to speak.
>>18535713>However, if they really believe they're christians with a relationship with god, there's no damn reason they all need to be squabbling with christians over labels on social media all the time. It smacks of serious insecurity.From my perspective its mostly because of the more uneducated antis who tend to only read or know some surface level memes in the hopes of some “gotcha” moment or put them into a Gish gallop. The agitated response is a defense when people do not seriously look into the source material and accuse them for believing something that is misconstrued or out of context. >Also, the book of mormon's existence goes against Revelations 22:18-19.If you believe the bible is infallible, probably. The holy bible we know today is a collection of texts that was cobbled together then recognized centuries later by the Catholic Church. In that context it was more of a warning not to add or distort to Revelations itself much like Proverbs or Deuteronomy warns.
>>18535727The same collection of texts that Mormons use, right? Convenient.
>>18534116Because he and other Mormons did miracles in front of them, sometimes multiple witnesses at once. Many people got healed, there were spiritual gifts, people had visions that would turn out true, or meet angels, or have prophetic revelations, some even claim they saw the dead being raised. This happened over and over and over and over, and Mormons are great journal-keepers so we have it all written down there for us all to look at. But even non-Mormons would record it. Even ex-Mormons would more often say Joseph was a "fallen prophet" because they still admitted they saw fulfilled prophecies or healings or stuff like that. It wasn't just Joseph either. People in Britain, people in Italy, people in New Zealand, people among the Hopi, etc etc would have revelations in their dreams, or angelic visitations and visions, which brought them into Mormonism. Ever wonder how election REALLY works in the New Testament? The same way it did for Paul, and for everyone who saw a miracle. God seeks out some of the elect specifically. Everyone else is given less grace, so I can't blame them too much if they don't convert. But if you get such a personal calling and election from God, what are you left to do? Turning against God then is just apostasy.
>>18535754>ut even non-Mormons would record it. Even ex-Mormons would more often say Joseph was a "fallen prophet" because they still admitted they saw fulfilled prophecies or healings or stuff like that. It wasn't just Joseph either. People in Britain, people in Italy, people in New Zealand, people among the Hopi, etc etc would have revelations in their dreams, or angelic visitations and visions, which brought them into Mormonism.You have to elaborate on this, Ezekiel. Don't leave us hanging.
>>18534116Strong group cohesion and in group preference. Turns out when a group acts together, they can accomplish more than an individual can.
>>18535773Just look up the Maori Mormon prophecies there were two of them, and then what ex-Mormon Fanny Stenhouse witnessed when she saw missionaries heal a woman (her cope was that it MUST be Mesmerism), or what the northern Ohio newspapers reported about Joseph Smith healing Elsa Johnson's arm (same cope was used that time too). There's various books about Mormon miracles you can get for starters if you're really interested. But you also get to meet people in real life now and then with their own miracle stories. Even true in my own family. The Calvinists say if you're not among the elect you're among the reprobate, so I wonder how that would apply here. Some people get so much more grace than others, not just what they witness, but how God works with their hearts. Other people get their hearts made stubborn just like Pharaoh in the Exodus was said to be. It's the divine drama we live within.
>>18535077>all prptestants are evangelicals
>>18535782I thought I was going to find some evidence here but it's all a Mesmerism smoke show. That or weather balloons. Swamp gas
Did you know that the oldest surviving Mormon chapel is in Worcestershire, England?
>>18535807That looks like a repurposed house desu. But it makes sense, honestly.
>>18534135Subsaharans and Arabs do that too according to third worldist polniggers. Where’s their success?
>>18534568Mormons aren’t nepotistic at all.
>>18535058You’re an idiot, that isn’t nepotism. Fuck off back to pol with this braindead drivel.
>>18535820Apparently it was built by Methodists, who later converted to Mormonism, then it was sold off to fund converts' emigration to the New World. It was bought by LDS Church members in the 1990s for its importance, restored and is now a small museum run by a trust. Brigham Young apparently spoke there during his time in England too.
>>18535821they think basic education is the work of the devil.
>>18535019It's a rite of passage that entails multiple humiliation rituals, which is good for strengthening internal cohesion.The first humiliation ritual are their very effective full-immersion language courses, as far as I could gather from the memoirs of an ex-Mormon who went native in Germany.
>>18535855Reminds me that Boko Haram movement fellas occasionally insist that non-muslim technology is derived from Westerners studying the Qu'ran, which implies that Boko Haram fellas' plan is to teach everybody to read the Qu'ran in a wrong and useless way.
>>18534116No soda means they have healthier bones and less obese.
>>18535897They drink obscene amounts of soda, soda with coffee creamer for some reason. They just don't drink coffee or tea.
>>18535912I lived down the street from a mormon family when I was a child and they didn't drink any soda though. Maybe you know some fallen mormons.
>>18535897Do they, though? Like muslims they have this weird culture of eating extremely sugary food as a replacement of alcohol. Completely independently developed, by the way, it's probably just a natural outgrowth of not being able to drink alcohol while having access to a lot of sugar.
>>18535957Maybe. I only knew them superficially. All I know is the mormon church had a nice indoor basketball court and they were all very nice.
Success pre-WW2 was 90% intelligence and 10% ancestry, personality, beliefs, style. Success post-WW2 is your SAT score. For the first time in history, even we pull the backwater slumdogs of India and Malaysia, and if they can ace the math SAT, we'll give them 300k/year to do functional programming.If you do badly on the SAT, but you're part of an ethnic support network, be it Jewish, Black, Irish, Mormon, or Somali, then you can still do well.Mormons have both
>>18535985You're overinflating the importance of the SAT in American society. It's not the Gaokao, dude.
