I mean, sure nice borders. But an Empire? Dude you state was just slighty bigger than modern Portugal
>>18536013>Year 1355Byzantium was even smaller. By calling himself emperor, Stefan was saying that Byzantium had lost the mandate of heaven, and that it's Serbia's time.
>>18536233At same year, Ottoman barely a empire but a grand duchy/princedom analogue.
The Korean "Empire" was worse
>>18536013You do know that different cultures and languages have a different understanding and usage of the term Empire than the english, right?
>>18536264>Russia bootlickers in the endA bunch of fraud usurpers. Remind Yamato-led nippon is real empire functional state.
>>18536013Dey wuz emperorz n shiat.
>>18536290No it's pretty levelled
>>18536013Europe is just tiny outside of Russia. The Roman Empire at it's peak was the largest contiguous Empire in European history and it still wouldn't be one of the top 5 largest countries in the world today. Most European empires in history were smaller than Congo or Argentina.
>>18536497Yeah but they did have a lot of significant... everything, as opposed to argentine nothinglands
>>18536550Mountains and forests? Most large countries have that in spades. Europe's most valuable resource was population density.
>>18536374It's really not>Emperor in Europe>Successor to the Roman Empire>Emperor outside of Europe>Big kingThe Eastern Roman Emperor was Emperor and the King of France wasn't because France wasn't claiming to be Roman Emperor regardless of size/power.
>>18536565The Byzantine imperial title simply wasn't recognised by France, retard. To Catholics, only the HRE was a valid Empire until Napoleon.
>>18536013The purpose was not to LARP, but to show to the Greeks that they wouldn't be an oppressed minority. They wrote laws in both Serbian and Greek, allowed the Greek full religious independence, kept Greek nobility and officials in the administration and didn't oppress the Greeks. There was a real attempt to make a Counter-Empire to Constantinople, which would inherit their territory, power and prestige.
>>18536853 great idea but all in allglad it didn't work>t. Croatian
>>18536853Imagine if Dusan had conquered Constantinople, we could have had a Neo-Byzantine empire under a Serbian Dynasty
>>18536013The term "empire" highly depends on the demographics. If Serbs were the minority in their Empire and ruled over a bunch of different ethnicities, then that is by definition an empire. Land also doesn't hold the same vaule everywhere on the planet. Byzantine was still a very developed land, and conquering it had more merit than conquering the vastness of Eastern Europe or some bumfuck place in Africa with only tribes living there. I don't see an issue with their empire.
>>18536233Also, this.
>>18536013>was just slighty bigger than modern PortugalAlso, this is not true. It was about 3 times the size of modern Portugal>Portugal has a total land area of approximately 91,470 square kilometers (35,320 square miles)>At its peak in the 14th century, the medieval Serbian Empire covered an estimated area of about 250,000 km2. Under Emperor Stefan Dušan ("the Mighty"), its territory spanned across modern-day Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Albania, and large portions of Greece and Bulgaria.
>>18537473yes idk why people think empires are only about sizes, for example modern sweden would be almost as large as the austrian-hungarian empire at its peak, but they didn't rule over other peoples, and the territory was very undeveloped. and empires in central europe were always small in terms of territory when compared to some other empires, but they conquered a bunch of people and very developed lands that had more influence and relevance than a jungle in argentina
>>18537487don't rule over other peoples*
>>18536013I really like the flag
>>18536013the austrian-hungarian empire was about twice as large, i don't see an issue. it wasn't a huge empire, but an empire nonetheless
>>18536238Yeah, the Ottomans were still very much a beylik at that point. Orhan Ghazi only used the title of sultan so he could lay claim to being the successor state to the fallen Seljuk Sultanate of Rum (thereby establishing de jure claims over all the other Anatolian beyliks).
Neither of these two empires had Rome as their capital or even as the second city, nor did they use Latin as their main language.They had no right to see themselves as Roman. The Pope had a better claim
>>18537699>The Pope had a better claimAnd the Pope decided that Germany was the Roman Empire and instituted that title for them
>>18536013Sikh>empire
>>18537583>>18537699Austria-Hungary was true last successor to Roman Empire of the West.
>>18536013I am fond of the Central African Empire.>>18536565>Emperor outside of Europe>Big kingStrictly speaking, there were no emperors outside of Europe until the 19th century. They were/are just called empires for ease of communication and to denote level of authority. It's not even about size, many regional powers and fairly minor states got the title from Europeans. It's the closest homologus term to what they were.
>>18537221or Vlad the impaler conquered Constantinople under the Hungarian crown
>>18536565Emperor in East Asia means China/the Mandate of Heaven, or in Japan's case (and briefly, laughably, Korea's) a claim of equality with China.
>>18537473Isn't that the actual definition of what constitutes an empire?
>>18537477Portuguese fags are the worst. Serbia with Kosovo is the same size as Portugal, and Serbia and Montenegro alone (without Kosovo) are the same size as Portugal. If you include Republika Srpska, then it 114k square kilometers which is significantly larger than Portugal (or 124k with Kosovo). To say our Empire was "only slightly" larger than Portugal is funny.
Nothing can compare to the great Haitian empire
>>18537756Several emperors were excommunicated and Rome itself was sacked by HRE troops
>>18538133Yet the imperial title was maintained the entire time
>>18538048Vietnam have more ball than Korea
>>18538133It depends, they weren't Roman emperors for most of the 14th century, for example.
>>18538097Portuguese Empire outlasted S*rbs larping
>>18537918Actually it was LITHVANIA
>>18537918This...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgthWsJe2I
>>18536013It was one of the most developed, largest, and powerful European states during the 1300s, and demographically diverse, and therefore, an empire.>PortugalMinimum 3 times larger than Portugal.
>>18536013Isn't it a kingdom is a state of lordships and an empire is a state of kingdoms? So it fits. They subdued multiple kingdoms and had many different peoples under their rule, so empire.
>>18536013Size has got nothing to do about it. Empires are about prestige.A polis could be more powerful than a country the size of Brazil
>>18538817>A polis could be more powerful than a country the size of BrazilNot really. no. While I get your point, that size isn't the end all. A small city state can defeat a country the size of brazil in a limited engagement. But long term the polis loses against a much bigger nation. The bigger the country the more potential power it has, and while it might take it time to direct that power its seldom the case that a smaller nation will be more powerful. Just more focused at any given time regarding a particular purpose.
>>18538846>inb4 we get people posting colonial empires as just the core nation that runs them and conveniently forgetting all the territories they control funneling resources into that core nation artificially making that one region significantly more powerful than technically larger countries
>>18536497>The Roman Empire at it's peak was the largest contiguous Empire in European historywrong, that would be russia, or the russian empire
>>18536013>an "empire" recognized by nobody>lasted less than a decade before decaying>didn't include any significant coastline cities>only thing it achieved is weakening all adjacent christian countries in wake of the ottoman incursions >fake map in the OP serbs are the worst posters on this board along with jeets and kikes
>>18536290Car just means ceasar, as in emperor, though Like if we were talking about China or Japan you'd have a point but in this case its exactly the same understanding as every other european
>>18539170Half of this thread is samefagged by the OP, 100% a Serb living in a pigsty coping with the fact that his nation is a laughingstock.
>>18539170>an "empire" recognized by nobodyrecognized even by the byzantine empire>lasted less than a decade before decaying25 years>didn't include any significant coastline citiesdefine significant >only thing it achieved is weakening all adjacent christian countries in wake of the ottoman incursionsnot much difference between the byzantines and the ottomans genetically, and the same argument can be applied to virtually all the neighboring countries, including the bulgarian empire, byzantine itself, and later on even austria-hungary >fake map in the opit's not fake, pic related>serbs are the worst posters on this board along with jeets and kikest. albanian who will now deny it for all eternity and pretend to be different posters because they were muh "oppressed" by serbsand no, the worst posters are just brown albanian diaspora who perpetually make these one-sided, mentally ill threads about serbia to cope with their utter irrelevance throughout history and precisely zero contributions to mankind>>18539181sure thing, because the OP thread is totally not made by some albanian who is basically saying "akshually, you were not a real empire" as a way to cope with being conquered
>>18539170>>18539231i forgot to attach the pic, lighter green = vassal states and include bosnia (which was half conquered, half vassal state) bulgaria, wallachia, and dubrovnik
>>18539237>>18539231once you consider this, not only is the op map not *fake* but actually downplays the empire because it does not include bulgaria as a vassal state, since ivan aleksandar was dusan's brother-in-law and governed as a vassal, and does not include wallachia either, nor does it mention the occupied territories of southwestern bulgaria that you can see in >>18539237
>>18539237the lightest green is territories conquered in 1355 if i'm not mistaken
>>18539170here's a non-fake map for you :)
>>18539248this "empire" (which didn't survive half a human lifespan) was a loose conglomeration of semi-independent feudal domains, many of which opted out the millisecond dušan died. what a pathetic thing to base your entire national mythos on
>>18539262lmao "what a pathetic thing to base your national mythos on"tell me, what percentage of current nations have had an empire throughout history? sure, this might be "pathetic" compared to the british empire, roman empire, austro-hungarian empire or the likes, but nonetheless much significant than 95% of the countries that exist today
>>18539262and as i predicted, you're here to reply almost immediately and also >dušanyou're either croatian or using ai lmaothese threads about serbia are always so mentally ill, it's always made by the same 2 groups of people (croatian and albanian) and they are always EXTREMELY one-sided, as in, you will not find a serbian making threads about albania or croatia, it virtually does not happen. it is extremely mentally ill
>>18539267alright little bro, you're a step above melanesian islanders and uncontacted tribes in the amazon. happy?
>>18539276assuming you're croatian, historical significance of serbia is undeniably greater than that of croatia (where's croatia's closest thing to empire), nevermind albania (completely irrelevant and meaningless throughout history). but no, it's basically above the european average, which is not a small feat once you consider that serbs invaded balkans as a small minority along with croats and then proceeded to conquer enough land to have an empire that's recognized by byzantine itself, which is no small feat
>>18539276>>18539278the historical significance is especially pronounced once you consider the population size, as it stands bulgaria and serbia are the only ones in europe who punched above their weight (and maybe lithuania but it was a commonwealth with poland, so a much larger population in reality)
>>18536013Bulgaria is an empire, too.
>>18539282i forgot to include vikings as those punching above their weight, i guess, even though they came from norway, sweden and denmark combined
>>18536264>The Korean "Empire" was worseThat was just a formality to not be subject to the Huang Di. Empire in those parts means something different.
>>18539237>>18539260Austria did nothing wrong in 1903-1914.
>>18539307keep samefagging retard, i don't know what causes croats to be this mentally ill to this day
>>18539267>>18539278>be me>not from former yugoslavia>install ex-yu latin keyboard>learn basic rules of transliteration>use it in arguments with random anons>provoke shit flinging against ethnic groups not even involvedall according to keikaku
>>18539321at least with albanians, i understand
>>18539326i'm not the only anon itt who uses all lowercase...
>>18539329>accuses others of samefagging>actually samefags>good chance he's op toolmao
damn they're all gone now that the croat got banned, but he was definitely not samefagging and is definitely not op, wonder how long it will take him to get a new ip
>>18539398meds
>>18539400quick enough
>>18539401well not really, it's like 30 minutes
>>18539321>keep samefagging retard, i don't know what causes croats to be this mentally ill to this d-ACK!!
>>18539407*loses the war and collapses, austria becomes a shithole with 10% of the population being turkish*
>>18539410>loses*lose 1991-1999*
>>18539475>>18539407based>>18539410cringe
