I don't need to keep reiterating the clear parallel between the Germanic Mannus and the Vedic Manu, as both represent progenitor and ancestral figures. But I was surprised by the apparent lack of parallels in other branches. However, I found a very interesting article that may be related to this figure beyond the Germanic and Iranian branches.According to this, there are etymologically related parallels in the Anatolian languages.Hittite _mēnu-_ "human, man; virile"- Luwian: _mannu-_ "male fertility"Could this be related to this figure of the first human/ancestor of humanity?I was also struck by the Gothic _manna_, Old Norse _maðr_, Old English _mann_, High German _man_. Obviously, they all derive from a Proto-Germanic root, but I don't know if they are just words that represent "human" as something abstract or if they possess some kind of mythological value like Mannus.
>>18537412Also, the author said something that caught my attention: Seed of Manu/Menu= humanity - Avestan _manušciθra-_ "human" "seed of Manus" Ex: _manuš.čiθrahe airiiāuuahe_ "from the seed of Manusciθra, son of Airyu" -Pahlavi: _manūščihr_. Ex: "from Manūš... was born Manūščihr", "all the priests of Persia trace their lineage back to the seed of Manūščihr" - Gothic: _manaseþs_ "humanity" "seed of Manwō
>>18537412It's also the same as the Semitic Adam, which means "man".
>>18537412Interesting reconstruction, has anyone proposed this before? What is the current consensus on the reconstruction of this figure's name? Anyway some authors have proposed *MánHus (m.) = "hero, ancestor of the people"* We have some possible parallels besides Germanic and Iranian, such as in Continental Celtic: _Aryo-manus_, literally "ancestor (*Manus*) of the Aryan people" and in Phrygian: _Mánēs_ (m.) "ancestor of the Phrygians" but there is practically no information about this unfortunately. As far as I know, they are isolated inscriptions. They're somewhat uncertain, but I'd never seen these Anatolian words before!
>>18537428Stop being an idiot, they're not etymologically related.
>>18537429Thanks for posting this. I didn't know about this Celtic parallel, but it seems plausible.
>>18537433Obviously. My point is that the concept is the same. Man being the first man.
>>18537445Its not the OP (me) btw>>18537433
>>18537435Aryomanus doesn't belong here. It's a conflation of a suffix and a standalone word.It only looks like it belongs because you're looking at a Latinized Gaulish name instead of a reconstruction.
>>18537465You lost
>>18537412No. Its not PIE bcuz It's a conflation of a suffix and a standalone word. Btfo
>>18537429Sources?
>>18537445>My point is that the concept is the sameThey don't have the same concept either
>>18537468I know
>>18537412https://www.ediana.gwi.uni-muenchen.de/dictionary.php?lemma=774https://www.ediana.gwi.uni-muenchen.de/dictionary.php?lemma=773
>>18537412>I don't know if they are just words that represent "human" as something abstract or if they possess some kind of mythological value like Mannus. What? Of course they do.And also mens. To think.
>>18537412My best guess on the semantics behind this is that the verbal meaning of the root *men- is "to protrude, to stand out" (whence Latin ⟨mōns⟩ "mountain"), and men are described as upright beings in the same sense as homo erectus.Sidenote: the differing semantics behind Latin ⟨homō⟩ "human" are interesting to compare.Lat ⟨homō⟩ is from PIE *ǵʰmṓ < *dʰǵʰmṓ, a derivative of *dʰéǵʰōm "earth". The purpose appears to be to describe humans as "earthlings" or terrestrial. Why though? Perhaps it was meant to contrast with the gods who were heavenly:https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyw%C3%B3s
>>18538148>>18537429>>18537412Why do the Nordicist people act this way? There's no evidence that it's the same Manu from India. Our Manu is the first human, and all those words just mean human. Every week a thread that tries to cling to Indian history.The story of Manu is a purely Vedic innovation, not "Pie".
>>18538220>guessthe most prominent Indo-European scholar kek
>>18538227Furthermore, it is possible that the Germanic word mannus itself is an Iranian loanword, like the word path.There's vedic Manu outside india.Period.
>>18538227>the academic linguists behind dictionaries like >>18538148 are le heckin' evil N-N-ordicists!!@Take meds until your persecution complex disappears
>>18538239There's no*
Why does this guy keep bothering people in every thread about Indo-European?
>>18538242You haven't proven that any of these names depict a primordial figure and the first human who had a brother named Yama
>>18537412>Luwian: _mannu-_ "male fertility"Semantically plausible
>>18538251Yes, sorry
>>18538251>>18538543Oh, so you actually want to know what le heckin' ebil Nordicist racist has to say?Say please and I will consider your request.
>>18537418Vedic: Manu and YamaAvestan: Yima and Manu (test by Manuchehr)Germanic / Norse: Mannus and YmirGreek: Maybe MinosIrish / Welsh: Virtually nothing.Manu travelled in the north by land, not in the south, not by water.
>>18538247Because he is obsessed
>>18538699>Greek: Maybe MinosΜίνως is good. It's just *e > i between two nasals.-ως reflects a PIE ōu-stem. That much is generally agreed upon, but usually it is said that -ω- is from the nominative, but now I'm starting to think that's actually from the accusative *-óu̯-m̩ > *-ṓ-m (Stang's law) considering *gʷṓu̯s > βοῦς. Post-tonic *ōu̯ may have had an odd development (*ū?). If I'm wrong, it just means the nominative and accusative had the same vowel outcome.
PIE *Yemhós(y)o (melhn-…) kwónhe (Anatolian, Indic, Iranian, Armenian, Greek, Latin, Norse, Latvian, Celtic) with *Yemhós replaced or not mentioned ○ HierLuw. […] – or /Nikarwas (< *ni-gh r̥ -wó- ‘who grabs down’) zuwāninzi... ahha*kripandu/ with alliteration (García Trabazo 2021) ○ Gr. […] + Lith. Orph. 143 δύο... κύνε, 158 κύνε (dual) ○ W [Cŵn Annwn]; (with Arawn representing *Yemhós) Pwyll Prince of Dyfed: “(Pwyll) looked at the colour of the pack of hounds… and of all the hounds (cŵn) that he had seen in the world, he had never seen any that were alike (…) (Arawn said) ‘I have never seen such a discourtesy in a man as to drive away my pack of hounds’its a PIE myth
