Certified banger from Mencius Moldbug. He is absolutely correct you know. In the Cold War, communists thought they could cheat the UN voting system by creating as many minorities as possible.
>>18538294This "certified" banger about "cheating" the "UN" fails to take into account the fact that all "nations" are fake, anyway, and the "UN" is satanic.
>>18538294>fake nationAt the end of the day, Ukraine has been an independent country since the fall of the Soviet Union and is recognized as such across the globe. Even if you fall back on some might makes right definition, they are able to defend themselves against a Russian conquest. The fact that they are supplied and helped by the west is irrelevant to this. No one gives a shit about what Stalin or Prince Vladimir or King Slavovodkinski did in the year 1345 did either. The only real fake country right now is Palestine.
>>18538309>they are able to defend themselvesLol.
>>18538310Next thing this parasite is gonna claim Israel is able to defend itself.
>>18538300The Ukrainian SSR, Belarus and everything that came after them are exactly what you get through the lens of dialectical materialism - treat races, minorities, cultures, etc as pawns for a game board to levy against one another and against the old regime (“great Russian chauvinism”). Read this entire blogpost if you want an in-depth look at neoraction in Russia and Europe https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europeMencius moldbug is one of the great political theorists of this age.
>>18538309>> Even if you fall back on some might makes right definition, they are able to defend themselves against a Russian conquest. Liberalism is merely a war profiteering racket and they are on the buyer’s end of it. Modern nation building is about using countries as chess pieces to tear the globe apart. The post-League of nations worldview is defunct.
These anti-Western traitors are getting too big for their britches
>>18538321>talking about "fake nations" as if there are "real nations">"""great""" """""""political"""""""""" """""""""""""""theorist""""""""""""""""""""
>>18538344I have never been that much into Moldbug before (I am not NRx) but I am going through some of his old essays and he’s spot on. This for example puts the “security concerns” of Russia into perspective for the jingoistic westerns too chauvinist to see an outside perspective of what security concerns entail.
>>18538346Moldbug on the unholy alliance between American liberals and the Banderites (to keep this /his/ related this applies aptly to the US funding OUN-B saboteurs throughout the 50s).
>>18538351But what if I simply don't want to be ruled by Russians who want to suppress my culture?
>>18538374If you are from outside the Imperial era borders (ie Donbas and Kherson) then you should remain in an independent Ukrainian state albeit not inside NATO or at least in NATO but without the ability to place weapons or germ labs in your country (basically only article 5 section should apply to Kiev in this hypothetical scenario).If you are from the Imperial era Russian borders ie Malorossiya you should return to your homeland asap.
>>18538374You see, Moldbug is neoractionary whereas I am not so his answer to this would be to bring back the Tsar, Habsburgs, etc and just divide the fake remnants of Lenin’s Ukrainian SSR amongst them like before 1917.
>>18538383>germ labs
>>18538388Haha that is certainly a silly caricature of an asiatic Russian male. Doing nothing to dismiss those Nazi/ Banderite bigotry accusations I see.
>>18538294>the "communists" plotted to... illegally coup and dissolve their leading federation and turn Ukraine into an NGO and USAID raped far right nutjob foederati of the US and NATO
>>18538374What culture?
>>18538393Learn to read. He’s saying that the Ukrainian state was created for political reasons by communists then co-opted by Yeltsin and Washington DC later on for their own purposes. For all its problems the Ukraine SSR at least didn’t wage a war of aggression against its own people.
>Mencius 'The Court Jew' Moldbug
>>18538395That's true. The concept of Ukrainian nationality was cooked up in Austria and spread by retarded korenizatsiya policies.
>>18538398The ‘Ukrainian SSR’ from soviet times is actually the least retarded iteration of the Ukraine state but I am comparing it to Bandera Ukraine/ Poroshenko’s admin/ Sigismund II’s vassalage so that is damning them with faint praise.
>>18538351>said they wouldn'tShow me the treaty that says America "will never do _____" with regards to arming or extending aid to Ukraine. You can't because it doesn't exist. There was no such agreement except in the minds of Russians who fundamentally don't understand how democratic government works.
>>18538428Show me the treaty where Russia cant arm Cuba or place nukes there. I don’t see why that would be a big issue to jfk
there is no way to read actual history books related to eastern europe and still think this putin bunker dementia slop holds any validity.ukrainians/ruthenians have been a real thing with a distinct culture for centuries.that's just a historical fact. even if it weren't it wouldn't make russian intervention in ukraine since 2014 defensible.
>>18538434“Ruthenia” and Galicia aren’t the areas being annexed. The areas being fought for are the Russian areas ie Novorossiya
>>18538431https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_DoctrineNot a treaty, but official US policy that had been in effect since the early 19th century. Every European power who had dared to interfere in America's declared sphere knew it would run afoul of this policy, and America had made good on its promises to enforce it in the past. JFK invoked it during the missile crisis. Whereas Russia's official policy regarding Ukraine was outlined in the Budapest Memorandum, which Russia blatantly violated in 2014
>>18538437those areas aren't russian, and the idea that russian interest is limited to the eastern part is obvious face saving revisionism.you sound actual 13 years old.
>>18538441Funny enough Moldbug also has an article addressing Monroe doctrine and how it relates to Ukraine.https://graymirror.substack.com/p/ukraine-the-tomb-of-liberal-nationalismMonroe doctrine was a way for Britain to dismantle Spain’s empire by using USA as a wedge against them in the same manner the post-soviet states of Europe are a new NATO fueled wedge against Russia having a sphere of influence.
this thread is just >russian 13 year old discovers american internet writer who also echoes all the propaganda and pseudo-history served up to russians internally and considers it so mindblowing he just has to spam 4chan with it
>>18538467Lmao call me a teenager a few hundred more times and it will bring Konstantinovka back.
>>18538351This hasn’t happened because the US hasn’t interfered in Canadian elections and behaved belligerently toward it
>>18538383This is the shit that 'realists' say because 'muh balance of power'.
>>18538467>you have to acknowledge that ancient Ukraine invented the jacuzzi and irrelevant footnotes like the Battle of Konotop was a pivotal moment in Evropan history and foundational to Ukrainian identity (it was fucking Tatars)No thanks. Ukraine objectively belongs in the shelf of schizophrenic shithole ethnostates of Europe next to Albania and monkeydonia. Except unlike those two mafia states, their mafia state has a media machinery of billions of dollars behind them to legitimize their bullshit.
>>18538441Nice try Hohol but arming Ukraine at all and providing anything except the most basic humanitarian aid is a blatant violation of that very Monroe doctrine. Euromaidan and everything after it are all violations of Monroe’s doctrines but the doctrine itself means nothing to the liberals in power except when bitching about China/ Russia infringing in the americas
>>18538383>>18538437>Youcrane isn't a real country >but only Dumbass and Cringeson are Rushian clayso who's supposed to annex the rest, Moldavia?
>>18538605Moldbug is an actual monarchist not one of your Fox News talking heads graduated from libtard university. Moldbug would say the lands should be returned to Hapsburgs or Hohenzollerns. Alternatively an autocratic ruler should oust Zelensky and make a better state from his country’s burnt remains.
>>18538309>The only real fake country right now is Palestine.The fuck does this mean Ukie?
>>18538606I wasn't asking what Moldbug would say, andI never thought I'd have to tell someone this but you need to read more Moldbug.
>>18538610I did. In that article he said Russia should steamroll Europe and prop up any governments resulting from withdraw of NATO so long as theyre anti-US.
>>18538611>monarchism is when you cheer on populist kleptocrats against other populist kleptocratsfunny, that's kinda what democracy looks like too
>>18538294If I cared what a "moldbug" had to say, I'd consult your obese mother's taint.
>>18538617He said that King Louis XX would return to power if Macron and his liberal allies from the US/ UK were removed from French soil
>>18538294>Mencius Moldbug>correctNigga you failed the easiest IQ test ever made.
>>18538656Half of Eastern Europe were created to attempt to give Russia seats at the UN.
>>18538445Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин: "Иcтopия eщё нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa""Укpaинa пpизнaeтcя нaибoлee yгpoжaeмoю чacтью Poccии в cмыcлe oтдeлeния и зaвoeвaния. Укpaинcкий ceпapaтизм ecть явлeниe иcкyccтвeннoe, лишeннoe peaльных ocнoвaний. Oн вoзник из чecтoлюбия вoжaкoв и мeждyнapoднoй зaвoeвaтeльнoй интpиги.Oтдeлившиcь, этo гocyдapcтвo пpeдaeт caмo ceбя нa зaвoeвaниe и paзгpaблeниe инocтpaнцaм. Maлopoccия и Beликopoccия cвязaны вoeдинo вepoй, плeмeнeм, иcтopичecкoй cyдьбoй, гeoгpaфичecким пoлoжeниeм, хoзяйcтвoм, кyльтypoй и пoлитикoй. Инocтpaнцы, пoдгoтoвляющиe pacчлeнeниe, дoлжны пoмнить, чтo oни oбъявляют этим вceй Poccии вeкoвyю бopьбy.
Oтдeлившиcь, этo гocyдapcтвo пpeдaeт caмo ceбя нa зaвoeвaниe и paзгpaблeниe инocтpaнцaм. Maлopoccия и Beликopoccия cвязaны вoeдинo вepoй, плeмeнeм, иcтopичecкoй cyдьбoй, гeoгpaфичecким пoлoжeниeм, хoзяйcтвoм, кyльтypoй и пoлитикoй. Инocтpaнцы, пoдгoтoвляющиe pacчлeнeниe, дoлжны пoмнить, чтo oни oбъявляют этим вceй Poccии вeкoвyю бopьбy. He бyдeт миpa и хoзяйcтвeннoгo pacцвeтa нa вocтoкe пpи тaкoм pacчлeнeнии. Poccия пpeвpaтитcя в иcтoчник гpaждaнcких и мeждyнapoдных вoйн нa вeкa. Pacчлeняющaя дepжaвa cтaнeт нeнaвиcтнeйшим из вpaгoв нaциoнaльнoй Poccии. B бopьбe c нeю бyдyт пyщeны в хoд вce coюзы и вcякиe cpeдcтвa... Haциoнaльнaя Poccия нe ищeт ничьeй пoгибeли, нo oнa cyмeeт oтвeтить cвoeвpeмeннo нa вcякyю пoпыткy pacчлeнeния и бyдeт бopoтьcя дo кoнцa. Bcякoй дepжaвe выгoднeй имeть Poccию дpyгoм, a нe вpaгoм. Иcтopия eщe нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa".Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин. «Ocнoвы бopьбы зa нaциoнaльнyю Poccию».1938.
let me guess, something blew up in Russia again
>>18538678Moscow was targeted and the Hohols blew up an oil refinery which constitutes a war crime.
>>18538678One entire storage tank
All nations are fake. You can draw any border you like, and as long as it's supported by guns and money it will be no different than any other nation.the only reason nations split or join is because people that control the money and guns want it that way.
>>18538689Great. So the Donetsk Soviet republic (which defacto has been independent of Hohol-kraine since 2015) is a perfectly legitimate state then.
>>18538294It's more fair to say that south Sudan is a compromise to prevent even more endless killing. As bad as things are right now, it could be far worse if Sudan had just remained the way it was.
>>18538719If it were to survive, but russian govt who defacto control it have already announced that they see it as part of russia, it won't survive this war, whether it's just annexed formally by russia or retaken by ukraine
>>18539129It is a nation, and a federated state, just not internationally sovereign
>>18538294South Sudan isn't a joke, they have nothing in common with Sudan apart from being conquered by the Egyptians in the 19th century
>>18539129I think giving it real independence would be the most sensible peace deal, could even be something of a buffer state and protect international norms against aggressionbut alas neither Ukraine nor Russia agree
>>18538294this guy is a mentally ill retard and listening to him makes you a certified double digit iq subhuman
>mosqueow on fire izzat going up in flames>retarded zigger shills sperging out quoting a retarded kike that sniffed too much zigger agitprop like clockwork
>>18538351>I might just OF saidis this guy an illiterate hack?
>>18538607>Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel.’ Here’s a road map.>Speaking to reporters this week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy described the future he sees for his country in unusual terms: as “a big Israel.”
>>18539165I've heard that oil tank that was hit (one out of 300+ interceptions) cost 300 billion dollars.
>>18538294>Yarvin's paternal grandparents were Jewish communists
>>18539346>Ukraine’s great grandparent was an SSR created to get Russia another voting seat in the UN
So many desperate pro-russian shills on 4chan these days. I guess they are seething about their capital being droned yet again and they're powerless to stop it.
>>18539139That's what some figures like Motorola were counting on. Naturally, FSB took care of them.
>>18539139That was the entire idea behind the Novorossiya confederation in 2015 but Poroshenko fanned the flames intentionally so as to prevent that from happening. The ideal solution would be an independent socialist republic Ala what Transnistria since 1990s has been to Moldova
>>18539373The Russian government literally pays people to post pro-Russian messages on Western forums and boards.They're not just basement dwellers with weird obsessions, it is a literal job for themhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
>>18539702No, I am a basement dweller with a weird obsession for Russia/ independent Donetsk. You were correct the first time.
>>18539717Do you have any weird obsession for independent Königsberg, Karelia, Ingria, Belgorod, Haishenwai? All of them and more yearn to be independent from russia.
>>18539837No because Germans, Finns, whatever other minorities were all removed from those territories by the Soviets long ago and also any independence movement of those states is aimed at tearing apart Russia for the west’s interests not an attempt at genuine sovereignty. Like how Bandera nationalism isn’t actual nationalism but rather the receiving end of Brussels’ plan for tearing apart Malorossiya.
>>18539837Let me explain Nationalism to you. Nationalism the ideology itself is not bad but rather it depends on which color flag you wave.Nationalism which exists to serve EU’s and NATO’s interests/ tearing countries apart and furthering wars and the US military industry complex = bad, ex. Banderites, HTS in Syria, wahhabis, any Neonazi fringe right weirdos of US Nationalism which is centered on defending your country from NATO = good because it’s real independence, ex. Russia, DPRK, Gaza nationalism, Hungary under Orban
>>18538309Considering the fact their victory condition seems to be to attempt to collapse Russian economy and their way our of war debt is to get reparations from Russia I'd argue they won't be independent for much longer no matter what happens. If they succeed their debt will turn them into some silly IMF satrapy(Russians won't be able to pay if their economy is destroyed), if they don't they'll turn into Belarus 2 or a rump state that gets bankrolled by the EU in exchange for total compliance to Brussels.
>>18538309>At the end of the day, Ukraine has been an independent country since the fall of the Soviet Union and is recognized as such across the globe. Even if you fall back on some might makes right definition, they are able to defend themselves against a Russian conquest. The fact that they are supplied and helped by the west is irrelevant to this. No one gives a shit about what Stalin or Prince Vladimir or King Slavovodkinski did in the year 1345 did either. Correct.>The only real fake country right now is Palestine.Cringe.
I could never reconcile the dissonance towards the idea that today's Moscow has no claim to the historic Kievan Rus, when that city is literally the foundation for the Muscovites' legitimacy.
>>18538294>American gives his retarded and unsolicited opinion on eastern European history and ethnicity Unironically even the most diehard chauvinist Russian nationalist would be convinced to support Ukrainian independence if you told him that some dipshit Yankoid was talking sweet about his Dnieperian cousins
>>18540422Does Denmark have a claim to Oldenburg?
>>18540421Ummm you understand that the people trying to annex Donetsk Repunlic back into Kiev are the same guys trying to starve out Gaza? Right, redditor?
>>18540440“Yarvin” isn’t a yankee. He’s a Russian Jew whose forefathers were from Odessa.
>>18540422Germany has a claim to Königsberg. China has a claim to Haishenwai. Karelia, by all accounts, belongs to Finland. The list goes on and on. Muscovia is occupying many territories that are not theirs and have never been, and need to be returned to their rightful owners.
>>18540507None of those countries have anti-Russian resistance movements inside them though. They were cleared out of non-Russians ages ago.
>>18540507A better example from your pov would be Chechnya or Kosovo in Serbia which were Islamic fundamentalist terror groups propped up by the west explicitly to be a thorn in Russia’s side and nothing more.
>>18540513They all have massive independence movements that are suppressed by force. They still have a significant native population despite the persecution from russians. Also include Transnistria, it's a temporarily occupied area by muscovites, that Moldova will get back.
>>18540561Okay so youre just a complete moron then if you think Transnistria republic is an occupation and not a genuine breakaway state of people who didn’t want to join the fake Moldova
>>18540561Moldova is a fake nation with no historical basis and “Transnistria” is simply people who refused to part with Russia after their SSR fell. It’s really Moldova who is a fake nation
>84 posts in>golem slaves still don't understand that all nations are fake
>>18540838“Fake” means propped up with money and supplies by Brussels and Washington. There is no Moldova, Ukraine, Kosovo, etc without US money, troops and supplies keeping their governments in power.
>>18540841"Fake" means propped up by propaganda, false historical narration and mass delusion. All nations are fake.
>>18540796>Transnistria republicTransnistria is literally a muscovite military base that was forcefully planted there. Moldova will kick them out as part of EU accession.
>>18540841Ukraine and Kosovo, sure.But Moldova's situation is different, Brussels (and Bucharest) would have them if they wanted them, but they don't, so what else are Moldovans supposed to do?
>>18540872it's also ruled by a gas station chainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff_(company)
>>18538294moldbug isnt that smart. he's just using a bunch of fancy words
>>18540937Why is it everything corrupt in Russia backed countries youre eager to report on but never ever on Poroshenko’s like fifty million different scandals or Zelensky?
>>18540454>Literally born and raised in the USAHe's a Yankoid, sorry to tell you that but literally nobody in Russia would entertain the notion that this American is one of theirs lol
