I hear a lot about the causes of the American (US) revolution, excessive taxation, harboring of troops, restrictions on settling West, but I have literally no idea why the Spanish colonies declared independence, surely they have equally nuanced and detailed reasons for wanting independence? Or were they just copycatting the US? Was it just because Spain proper got BTFO by Nappy?
they thought independence would stop the reggaetonification of latinxistan and were wrong
I. THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY WAS CONSTITUTED INTO A CATHOLICAL EMPIRE; EMPIRES HAVE PROVINCES, NOT COLONIES.II. THE PROVINCES OF THE CATHOLICAL EMPIRE WERE ORGANIZED INTO MACROREGIONS CALLED «VICEKINGDOMS».III. THE AMERICAN VICEKINGDOMS COULD NOT HAVE «DECLARED INDEPENDENCE», BECAUSE THEY WERE INTEGRAL PARTS, NOT EXTRANEOUS MEMBERS IN A STATE OF DEPENDENCE.IV. THE AMERICAN VICEKINGDOMS SECEDED FROM THE MONARCHY, BECAUSE THE VICEROYAL ELITES WANTED MORE POLITICAL AUTONOMY; THE ENEMIES OF THE EMPIRE SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY, AND FUNDED SOME SEPARATISTIC FACTIONS, THROUGH FREEMASONRY, SO THAT THESE FACTIONS COULD REALIZE THEIR PLANS OF SECESSION.
>>18538536spain gave them a taste of economic independence in the 1770s and when they drew it back the latinx elites were convinced of their benefits
>>18538562>spain gave them a taste of economic independence in the 1770selaborado por favor
>>18538553Sorry paco, you were literally shithole colonies whose purpose was having your gold feeding and funding Spain retarded wars in the HRE and indian like you were literally mining slaves
>>18538580Sorry Nerzhulcoatlatlaco but the Spanish king NEEDS silver for his mercenaries in Europe
>>18538580>Most knowledgeable /pol/tard
>>18538536>but I have literally no idea why the Spanish colonies declared independenceA lot of reasons and it depends on the movement and which region we're talking about. Hidalgo in Mexico? General Viceroyalty shenanigans and asshattery against the people. Bolivar in Gran Colombia? Had been to Spain and realized they weren't shit but the colonies were.So it really depends. The independence movements weren't really unified.
>>18538590What about Argentina?
>>18538594What about Argentina?
>>18538594Yes there were separate movements in both Chile and Argentina as well as Peru. All with different leaders and different motivations.
>>18538597Wow, thanks chatgpt. Sure glad we evaporated a lake for this.
>>18538536>Was it just because Spain proper got BTFO by Nappy?that's what allowed them to do it. But they all had different reasons.
>>18538598Well motherfucker did you want me to write you an essay for each one? Because we have Wikipedia for that.
>>18538601>did you want historical discussion on the history boardno, motherfucker, i wanted 200 posts of people calling each other various synonyms of brown until the thread was abandoned with nary a single worthwhile post
>>18538585Kek
>>18538536You're gonna have to talk to this guy if you have questions. Also local caudillos like to control their own land and assert their own power. The US copied France and then they all got the fever.
>>18538609Give it time motherfucker, you're hanging with the right crowd
>THE CROWN IS THE EMPIRE>YOU OWE IT ALL TO THE CROWN>THE CROWN IS YOUR RULER>THE CROWN IS THE EMPIRE'S REASON FOR BEING>THE CROWN UNITES US>THE CROWN KEEPS US TOGETHER>fuck you, you can't have representation. you have LOYALTY TO THE CROWN instead>your own economy? but that money is for THE CROWN, TO WHICH YOU ARE LOYAL>THE CROWN IS ALL THAT MATTERS>hey guys, some french retard just invaded and toppled the crown. his brother is in charge now. no big deal though right?
>>18538553>III.I don't get this point. There is literally nothing more integral to France than Paris and yet even Paris has declared independence from France. There is no rhyme or reason we can't say that Spain's American territories declared independence.
>>18538728the poster you're replying to a schizo.A better way to explain it is>places like New Spain weren't "nations" born from overlords, like British colonies often were>instead they were these weird extensions of the crown, often run from the top down by the crown+church>there wasn't really much in the way of a "national identity", instead weird identities emerged from colonists mixing with local cultures; language and faith was the main unifying force, not political bonds>so while (for example) the 13 Colonies were in theory 13 countries, somewhere like New Spain was considered a direct extension of Spain>they therefore "can't" declare independence because there is no precedent for their statehood; they are spain, and spain is themParis didn't declare independence from France, it was simply the epicentre of revolutions that saw it cut off from the rest of the country at various points. At no stage did they want independence, at most autonomy-in other cases it was hoped Paris was simply the point of origin for a regime or society that'd come to replace France. This would be more akin to something which has never been anything but part of France trying to declare independence from France, and people saying>what do you mean you're leaving france? you are franceIt's for this reason that so many ex-Spanish colonies ended up run by military strongmen, because the only guys able to sort of force them into nationhood were guys with a big army that could impose a new regime to replace the old one. Spain was never able to muster the strength to oust them, and so these weird new military-run territories became countries.
>>18538728FOR THERE TO BE INDEPENDENCE, THERE NEEDS TO BE DEPENDENCE.DEPENDENCE IS RELIANT SUBORDINATION OF ONE ENTITY TO ANOTHER DUE TO NECESSITY, OR DUE TO SUBJUGATION.THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH THE PROVINCES OF AN EMPIRE; THE PROVINCES CONSTITUTE THE EMPIRE; THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE ENTITIES IN A STATE OF DEPENDENCE; THEY COULD SECEDE, BUT NOT BECOME INDEPENDENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DEPENDENT, BUT INTEGRAL.THE «INDEPENDENCE» NARRATIVE IS PART OF THE POST FACTVM NATIONALISTIC MYTHOS, USED TO RETROACTIVELY JUSTIFY VICEROYAL SECESSION.
Freemasons did it specifically to enable the US and London.
>>18538553>cum geniusthere he isthat motherfuckerwhat a tool
