Anti-natalism is 100% logical while pro-natalism isn't logical. Existence guarantees suffering, non-existence guarantees non-suffering. Everything we do in our lives is to alleviate and avoid suffering and anti-natalism promises that.If you think life is beautiful, that's like saying a shit sandwich is delicious. You will talk about how good the mayonnaise is, the cheese, the meat, whatever is in there but you're eating shit too. Is it still worth eating a shit sandwich even when everything else in it tastes good? Here's a better idea: How about not be born in the first place where you won't be forced to eat shit sandwiches.The world can't be fixed. Organisms have been killing and eating each other for billions of years. Organisms constantly suffer and die. Life will always be like this unless by some miracle the earth somehow has enough resources in the future where organisms will evolve within millions of years to not live in a violent, survivalist lifestyle of constant fear and pain. But even then a clock is ticking, organisms will have to migrate into another habitable planet or somehow have the resources to survive when the sun someday dies.Even religions are anti-existence. They dream of escaping this world to go to a fictional place where there's no more suffering. This is proof thet life is so meaningless and cruel that humans had to completely make up fairytales to cope with the utter insanity of existence.The solution to all of this is no more children and mass euthanasia globally. If the religitards realize that their religions are fairytales, they too will be forced to see the shit reality they live in and want to die too to escape this world, just like in their fantasy stories.
>>18538970Nice thread
>>18538970>Anti-natalism is 100% logicalAntinatalism is not 100% logical , it's not even 10 percent logical because humans are not even 10 percent of the conscious beings on this planet. The only final solution to the problem of life is to fully exterminate all life from the entire planet. We need human intelligence for this. Without human intellect, animals will continue suffering and eating each other forever. Human society must continue until we attain the technological and philosophical capacity at large to perform a full extermination / sterilisation event of the entire planet with no uncertainty of completion.
>>18538970>Everything we do in our lives is to alleviate and avoid sufferingOkay... but have you actually stopped to check if this was even true?
>>18539044It's not real pain that's just a fetish, take away the fetish part then it's actual torture.
>>18539048>It's not real pain that's just a fetish, take away the fetish part then it's actual torture.What if someone has a fetish for life and the suffering that it entails?
>>18539050They think they do but they don't, because take away the fetish for masochism and then they will hate the pain of not liking pain. It sounds paradoxical but the "I like pain" fags say that shit until it's a type of pain thry don't like (actual pain, not fetish pain)
>>18539044People do CBT to alleviate the torture of being a gooned out coomer who is so coomed out that they need extreme stimulation to cum
>>18539013>Without human intellect, animals will continue suffering and eating each other foreverNot forever. In 900 million years the sun's increasing luminosity will cause a runaway greenhouse effect. The oceans will evaporate and all life on Earth will go extinct. It is possible that some particularly hardy mosses, lichens, and other microbes may still hold on at the poles, but only until the sun goes red giant 3 billion years later. Life on this planet is doomed. That's a given, that's a fact of life, unless humanity prevents it.
>>18539062Yes but we have somewhat of a responsibility to recognise life for what it is and to put a stop to it. Just "Stop having kids" is an oversimplification of the problem
>>18538970> Existence guarantees sufferingI exist.I am not suffering.
>>18539057>It sounds paradoxical butIt's still a "paradox" m8. It's a severe flaw in your argument.
>>18539013>The only final solution to the problem of life is to fully exterminate all life from the entire planet.I'm skeptical of even this because then alien life will be unaffected. The complete destruction of the universe is the more desirable outcome, local extinction would ultimately be pointless if some alien empire colonises the entire universe and reaches a population of six duodecillion
>>18539504You do what you can , leave what you can't
>>18539599I disagree, the problem of suffering is not solved at all if abundant life remains or the possibility for it to recover exists, killing yourself is just counterproductive in that situation
>>18539609Ok so we engineer self replicating probes that travel at relativistic speeds and seek out and destroy any planet with life signs by crashing into them at near light speed. How's that sound you faggot . Are you fucking happy now
>>18539613Good idea
