>>18539614
Next lets talk about Inanna worship in Ur

It was in your service
That I first entered
The holy temple,
I, Enheduanna,
The highest priestess.
I carried the ritual basket,
I chanted your praise.
Now I have been cast out
To the place of lepers.
Day comes,
And the brightness
Is hidden around me.
Shadows cover the light,
Drape it in sandstorms.
My beautiful mouth knows only confusion.
Even my sex is dust.


Believe it or not they also had a queer priestly order and while it is not confirmed they also had a trans order they did have rituals about swapping genders.

It was in your service
That I first entered
The holy temple,
I, Enheduanna,
The highest priestess.
I carried the ritual basket,
I chanted your praise.
Now I have been cast out
To the place of lepers.
Day comes,
And the brightness
Is hidden around me.
Shadows cover the light,
Drape it in sandstorms.
My beautiful mouth knows only confusion.
Even my sex is dust.

She is the progenitor or many Occidental and oriental female goddesses such as Aphrodite and Artemis.

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>>18539641
"There are among the Scythians many diviners, who divine by means of many willow wands as I will show.a They bring great bundles of wands, which they lay on the ground and unfasten, and utter their divinations laying one rod on another; and while they yet speak they gather up the rods once more and lay them one by one; this manner of divination is hereditary among them. The Enareis, who are epicene,b say that Aphrodite gave them the art of divination, which they practise by means of lime-tree bark. They cut this bark into three portions, and prophesy while they plait and unplait these in their fingers. "

Herodotus

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>>18539614
St Augustine bitching about trans priestesses he goes on for pages and pages in City of God him and Philo are obsessed

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>>18539614
Philo bitching about trans priestesses
Basically ancient Ben Shapiro

another anachronistic retard for the anachronistic retard pile. why stop here? you should also claim eunuch slaves were trans too. every castrate is obviously trans. in the modern world the only castrates are transsexual males, so of course any other castrate from any other time period must also be a transsexual male.

No one denies that there were shamans and similar types who dressed up and acted like women for various purposes in the ancient (and modern, see SEA ladyboys) world.
The modern tranny activists however wants to claim that they actually ARE real women and will call for violence against those who don't recognize them as such, something historically unheard of. It's the same as the discussion of gay marriage, and the left again pretends not to understand the issue.
Conservative christcucks aren't making things better either since they just start babbling on about witches and demons.

Yeah pagans were and still are gay.
It's funny to see LARPagan wignats pretending this was never true.
Nah, your heteronormative ethnonationalist headcanon would be really quite alien to ancient pagans, who were infamously quick to adopt foreign gods and mystery rites.

Anyways the cultural suppression of homosexuality and transvestism was due to the Christian takeover of Greco-Roman society.
You had Jews like Philo Alexandrine (On the Special Laws, 37) calling for the literal death penalty because of the Old Testament law, contemporaneous with Jesus.

Early church fathers like Ambrose loved this guy, quoted him all the time.
So much in fact we can correct later interpolations of Philo by referring to Ambrose's commentary and quotes.
Ambrose baptized Augustine, which might explain the connection.

>the feminines visiting the Mary of Montevergine
I just looked this up, but I'm not satisfied with the source material on the event in 1253 where Mary is supposed to have intervened to save a pair of homosexuals.
Are you sure this is a legit story?

https://religionnews.com/2026/02/04/catholic-rituals-blend-with-neapolitan-folklore-in-pilgrimage-for-queer-community/

>Some participants in Naples seek to recover these pre-Christian layers of identity. After the Mass, Jupy, along with friends, went to celebrate a pagan ritual involving flickering candles and archaic hymns.
lmao
for these people, Christianity comes second to their sexual identity
they want to change the religion for reasons of self-affirmation, which is uniquely selfish and corrosive

imagine leaving from mass to go to a Satanic temple and thinking that's totally fine
if I had to put it bluntly, I'd say these types are just using Christianity as some kind of accessory

they shouldn't be considered to be serious, in fact you could say this is represents a deliberate act of sacrilege and disrespect
the fact these people are given a voice at high levels in the Catholic church through their lobbying groups is actually a scandal for it's leadership, whether or not they care is another thing entirely

>>18539821
>“Despite everything, the femminielli didn’t stop because beyond folklore, this is an act of faith, an act of resistance,” said Lust Queen, a trans woman who read the Psalm at Mass. “We are here for all oppressed peoples.”

"Lust Queen" is chosen to recite the liturgy of the word, oh joy.
What a joke they are perpetuating.

Stop pretending you're there in good faith while you carry a name and persona which openly celebrate sin.
Like, I realize you simply don't care and probably think it's funny. But other people do have standards, which are in fact established by canon law with canonical penalties attached to breach, and you're being disrespectful.

Mass is not supposed to be a platform for your drag queen bible story hour pride fest. Pride is not something consistent with real Christian virtues, it's traditionally attributed to the devil.
Sorry, not sorry. That is deeply irreverent, not fit worship. Leave that nonsense at the door where it belongs, or don't come at all.

Anyways, this Vitaliano Della Sala guy has a history of scandal and calling for the dismantling of the ecclesiarchy and church law.
Honestly it's disturbing to me why this kind of flagrant, purposeful, statedly disobedient behavior is tolerated, while reverent priests in good standing but who just happen to be conservative are penalized or defrocked for far, far less. Oftentimes something as innocuous as criticizing the Pope or celebrating the mass in an older way that their superiors have deemed "problematic" and "divisive".

>The Juta concluded with a bawdy, performative version of a traditional Neapolitan bingo game, featuring songs, karaoke and irreverent jokes. Calls to the Virgin Mary blended with pop music lyrics, a reflection of the Catholic, Neapolitan and popular cultures of the femminielli themselves.

Yeah, okay.
Surely medieval people wouldn't be deeply offended by this degradation of their pilgrimages.

>>18539803
Tacitus says the Germanic pagans killed homos though.

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>>18539614
There's also Wendy Carlos the musician famous for her synth soundtracks like the Shining and Clockwork Orange.

Wendy Carlos is a pioneering composer and performer of electronic music who introduced the world to a new sonic palette in the form of synthesized sounds. She was born Walter Carlos in 1939 in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, eventually transitioning to female in the 1970s and taking the name Wendy. She began studying piano at the age of six and was a precocious student with an aptitude for math. She studied physics and music at Brown University, subsequently obtaining a master’s degree at the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center under the tutelage of Vladimir Ussachevsky, an experimental electronic composer. While at Columbia, she also began working closely with Robert Moog, an engineer and the manufacturer of the Moog synthesizer, the first synthesizer made for commercial use. Carlos advised Moog on technical refinements to the instrument, particularly with regard to musical expression and tone color. Moog said of her expertise: “[Wendy] used techniques that had been available for years—but used them better.”

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>>18539614 also cant forget the first out famous out trans woman Christine Jorgensen from the 50/60s
Upon Jorgensen’s arrival home, her story reached the newspapers and on December 1, 1952, she made the front page of the New York Daily News under the headline “Ex-GI Becomes Blonde Beauty: Operations Transform Bronx Youth.” In the following months, hundreds of newspapers featured her story, and she became an overnight sensation. The press and public’s reaction came as a great shock to Jorgensen: “I was surprised that everyone seemed very interested in my life… time went on and I realized this was an important step in the eyes of the world.”

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>>18539614
Amelio Robles Ávila
It was not just his local community that accepted his gender. Because of Amelio’s army friends who had become high-ranking officials in the government, everything there went fairly smoothly as well. He was federally and legally recognized as a man long before that was seen as an achievable possibility for transgender people. Being given awards for his military service, as well as having the Mexican Secretary of National Defense recognize Robles as a veteran in the 1970s, he had security in his identity that some transgender people today would envy.

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>>18540042
off topic, but late 19th century early 20th century mexicans dressed real dapper

>>18539614
don't transgender people appear in hindu myth? like in the mahabharata?

>>18540022
list of her music:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Carlos#Discography
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/wendy-carlos

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>>18539614
Warhol Superstar Candy Darling was born on November 24, 1944, her birth name was James (or Jimmy) L. Slattery. As a young kid Candy was obsessed with Hollywood and actresses, she would impersonate them hoping to one day become one. When Candy came out to her mom about being gay she showed her how she looked as Candy, her mother was supportive and later shared her admiration for Candy’s beauty.

Darling met Warhol at an underground burlesque show in 1967 and appeared in one Warhol film titled Flesh in 1968. She also appeared in Paul Morrisey’s Women in Revolt, produced by Warhol. The film performed poorly and it was the last of Candy Darling and Warhol’s relationship. Candy Darling is referenced in Lou Reed’s Walk on the Wild Side lyrics “Candy came from out on the island / in the backroom she was everybody’s darling.”

Candy Darling was among the first transgenders to take hormones and played an important role in bringing drag queens into popular culture. Her stage presence and look would pave the way for other popular drag queens in the following decades. Candy Darling’s influence is currently noticeable in shows like RuPaul’s Drag Race.

Born 1944 so much for the internet causing trans people

>>18539614
Holly came from Miami, F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A.
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
Said, "Hey honey, take a walk on the wild side"
Candy came from out on the island
In the backroom, she was everybody's darlin'
But she never lost her head
Even when she was givin' head
She says, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
Said, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
And the colored girls go

Little Joe never once gave it away
Everybody had to pay and pay
A hustle here and a hustle there
New York City is the place where they said
"Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
I said, "Hey Joe, take a walk on the wild side"
Sugar Plum Fairy came and hit the streets
Lookin' for soul food and a place to eat
Went to the Apollo
You should have seen him go, go, go
They said, "Hey Sugar, take a walk on the wild side"
I said, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
Alright, huh
Jackie is just speedin' away
Thought she was James Dean for a day
Then I guess she had to crash
Valium would have helped that bash
She said, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
I said, "Hey honey, take a walk on the wild side"
And the colored girls say
Do, do-do, do-do, do-do-do

If you've ever heard the song walk on the wild side its a 60s song about trans people and living on the margins

>>18539614
Lola by the kinks 1970 is also about meeting trans women while living life
I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like coca cola
C-O-L-A, Cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
L-O-L-A, Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Well, I'm not the world's most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Well, I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walked like a woman but talked like a man
Oh my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Well, we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said "Dear boy, won't you come home with me?"
Well, I'm not the world's most passionate guy
But when I looked in her eyes, well I almost fell for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
I pushed her away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got down on my knees
Then I looked at her and she at me
Well, that's the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world, except for Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Well, I left home just a week before
And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
But Lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said "Dear boy, I'm gonna make you a man"
Well, I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola

>>18539803
the feminines visiting the Mary of Montevergine
I just looked this up, but I'm not satisfied with the source material on the event in 1253 where Mary is supposed to have intervened to save a pair of homosexuals.
Are you sure this is a legit story?

Anon its a folk tradition that very might be a mish mash of several eras of Italian history. I can't say if it is or is not be regardless it left a big cultural mark to not die out in a generation

Where is the trannies have only existed in the 21st century gang now? I thought trans people just started existing in 2015

The sole contribution of the trans "community" (which is splintered into warring factions rife with mutual hatred) is trans pornography. Imagine your sole cultural benefactor being a Jew porn peddler cackling his way to the bank.

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>>18540251
Artists posted, actresses, priestesses

>Youre all just prostitutes
Way to out yourself as a chronic trans porn watcher anon

Lynn Conway
In the 1960s, while working at IBM, Conway invented generalized dynamic instruction handling, a key advancement used in out-of-order execution, used by most modern computer processors to improve performance. IBM fired Conway in 1968 after she revealed her intention to undergo a gender transition, which the company apologized for in 2020.

Following her transition, Conway adopted a new name and identity and restarted her career. She worked at Xerox PARC from 1973 to 1983, where she led the "LSI Systems" group. Together with Carver Mead she co-led the Mead–Conway VLSI chip design revolution in very large-scale integrated (VLSI) microchip design, which reshaped the field of microchip design in the 1980s.

Conway joined the University of Michigan as a professor of electrical engineering and computer science in 1985. She retired from active teaching and research in 1998 as professor emerita. Conway began publicly discussing her gender transition in 1999 and was a transgender rights activist until her death in 2024.

>>18540276
NTA but I know gay porn exists, so that means I watch it too?

>>18540240
What we might call trannies in the ancient times existed because they were either slaves or raised to be like that, i.e. groomed into being eunuch effeminate priests and practicing sexual acts with other people. It's insane how modern trannies want us to believe that they are normal individuals who naturally choose to transition while they take pride in such grooming ancient practices, if I'd be a tranny I'd call out these people myself.

Ironic because I fucking HATE any goddess cults

Gee, wonder why

>>18540233
Did the story appear at all before the 21st century?

>>18540625
No you are thinking of muslim slave administrators. The Galli famously joined the order as adults hence all the Roman
They cut their dicks off at the festival run through the town and whip the phallus at the door of a fanily who has to provide their first womens outfit propoganda from the Romans (simply cant be true because of blood loss)

>>18539614
Well I'm sold. Trannies should totally be reading stories about buttsex to children.

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>>18539614
In his expedition across the Isthmus of Panama in 1513, Vasco Núñez de Balboa encountered what he understood to be men “dressed as women.” These individuals were berdache or two-spirit members of the Cueva people. Balboa believed they were practicing sodomy and had the brother of the Cueva leader, Quareca (or Quarequa), and forty others torn apart by dogs. The events were recorded in Pietro Martir d'Anghera’s De orbe novo (Of the New World, 1516). According to the Italian chronicler the “unnatural” practice was found only among the elite, and the common people “begged [Balboa] to exterminate them.” Balboa’s massacre was also praised by later commentators, including Antonio de la Calancha, who described it as “a fine action of an honorable and Catholic Spaniard.” According to literary scholar Johnathan Goldberg, framing the massacre in this way “infuses Balboa’s acts with moral purpose” rather than casting it as a politically motivated act of violence to destabilize the Indigenous group.

Conquistadors found 3rd gendered/trans people in thr various indigenous civilizations and tribes and often stripped them, forced them to clean squares naked snd if they found them again cross dressed would set dogs on them

>>18539614
>always existed
>were never women
Sad!

>>18539714
He would certainly be on /pol/ if he lived today.

>>18539614
>The Galli or Roman Magna Mater cult AKA Cybele and Attis Cult of Phyrgia and the Hellenistic world.
These were eunuch priests. They were acknowledged as men, at most you could pin the crossdresser label on them, but that only existed in a ritual context and had nothing to do with their normal lives.

>>18540919
Nope achnowledged as neither men nor women in Roman law (we know this from inheritance records)
>only existed in a ritual context
Lots of trans groups existed in ritual contexts, that was societies outlet for queer people before christianity usually. They would live together and live as Galli 24/. Its still common today with indigenous versions of this that do exist still in asia

>>18540891
>According to the Italian chronicler the “unnatural” practice was found only among the elite, and the common people “begged [Balboa] to exterminate them.”
Based chud villagers advocating TTD.

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>>18539624
>Inanna worship
It's the same whore goddess under different names.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IxlspnaQw

>>18540924
>Nope achnowledged as neither men nor women in Roman law
Where? As far as I'm aware there exists no such law. Nor do we actually have much inheritance documents outside of outcomes and paraphrasing in elite Roman texts, the only real documents are from Egypt.
>Lots of trans groups existed in ritual contexts
No they didn't. You are essentially equating a ritual performance with being trans, which weren't even the most notable of them. They would ritually beg on the streets and there is no mention of any crossdressing. Crossdressing rituals seem to only be a portion of the rituals actually conducted by priests of the cult.
> They would live together and live as Galli 24/.
There is no real proof of this. We don't actually know much of how they lived outside of public performance. We know that they were not Roman citizens and COULD have been slaves or free. Slaves if they were priests (which I find unlikely, as slaves were considered ritually impure in a Near Eastern context) would have been subsidised by the state, and free men would have their own incomes which allowed them to even be priests. Even the cult of Isis, which notoriously had life-long, professional priesthoods, relied on these priests having independent incomes which could sustain their position without needing money from other members of the Cult.
>Its still common today with indigenous versions of this that do exist still in asia
A completely different tradition which has absolutely nothing to do with Near Eastern cults. Such a comparison is worthless.

>>18540930
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTBncNVsR/
This guy reveals who she is and how her priests were always eunuchs trannys because she hates masculinity and loves emmasulating men.

>>18540924
>achnowledged as neither men nor women
I'm not sure if this is true, but ironically this would just prove that they weren't trans. After all, trannies are real women, right?

>>18540975
No that just means that under Roman law they were neither men nor women this is a legal condition when it comes to inheritance.

"After all, trannies are real women, right?"
Strawman, not even all modern trans people agree with that and I dont need to answer for every college student. "Women" includes cis women, trans women and intersex women

>>18541003
>this is a legal condition when it comes to inheritance
Do you think the law should treat mtf trannies as men or women?
>not even all modern trans people agree with that
Ok but should they be allowed in womens sports? What about women's bathrooms?
>"Women" includes cis women, trans women and intersex women
According to whom?

>>18540938
Genucius ruling, he was a former slave that freed himself before becoming a Galli they were then ruled to be neither a man nor woman in a ruling.

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>>18541012
You are taking a case in Roman procedure and extrapolating it to a common law idea of how law works. Roman law worked on a case by case basis, former rulings were irrelevant to future ones, there was no such thing as a 'ruling' as exists in common law. There's good reason to believe that this ruling was also a rather unfair one, with a former master ruling against a former slave, there was no actual ruling about their sex recorded, that was the argument used against him, but the consul's reason was that he was unfit to stand trail due to his polluting presence, and thus lost the case on that reason.

I'm sure this tranny really thought he'd own the chuds with this one. He really expected his own rage and hatered towards the world to be felt by the chuds he thinks are responsible for his personal problems, but it wouldn't come to pass.

Just sad, desu.

>>18539614
Let me guess, these are men who were not in fact described as or seen as women at all, meaning they aren't in anyway similar to modern day trannies who screech about how they're real women who should be let into women's locker rooms and other women's spaces?

Ok, perhaps we shouldn't be so mean to OP, maybe xhe isn't actually such a bad person, just confused, angry and taken advantage of by communist academics and such... many people today are in one way or another.
I think the ethical way of dealing with the trans issue is to do what the ancients did, institue priesthoods where trannies are isolated from normie society except during rituals and are kept from grooming young innocent boys.
In-fact, perhaps the reason these institutions developed in the first place was as a sort of containment for these "odd" types so that they wouldn't harm themselves or others...

>>18541009
>According to whom?
Society, you never even thought twice about calling an intersex woman a woman in fact you may have had some in your classes or in your families without even realizing it. Trans women are a hornier issue because they dont pass unless they get treated early. I dont feel a need to punish someone for not getting medical treatment in time.

>Ok but should they be allowed in womens sports?
Sure womens sports exist so women can play with women I care about kids getting to play with their peers. While your pretend to give a shit about womens sports and awards.

> What about women's bathrooms?
Absolutely
this is a legal condition when it comes to inheritance
Do you think the law should treat mtf trannies as men or women?
What would be the benefit of treating them like men in the courts?

>perhaps we shouldn't be so mean to OP, maybe xhe isn't actually such a bad person, just confused, angry and taken advantage of by communist academics and such... many people today are in one way or another.

Aww dont feel bad for me, I'm a bored oldfag that lives like a normie now. I've got a childhood friend turned bi wife and a daughter that has only known me as mom. Frankly I seem to be doing pretty well comparatively

>>18541154
>Society
Most people don't think troons are real women though, even progressives mostly just pretend in order to be nice. Intersex people are a bit different but very very rare.
>Trans women are a hornier issue because they dont pass unless they get treated early
Ok but I'd rather not run the risk of confused pre-teens fucking up their whole lives especially in times like these where mental illness is so prevalent among the youth due to internet and modern schooling... Perhaps if we have better tech for detecting "true troons" it would be acceptable, maybe, but that isn't so.

>Sure womens sports exist so women can play with women I care about kids getting to play with their peers
Prepubescent kids can usually play in integrated groups without many problems... not sure what this has to do with womens sports.
>While your pretend to give a shit about womens sports and awards
Why does it matter what I think about it personally? It's a real problem for you to adress nontheless. This is a very typical leftist argumentative tactic and I just hate it. It's just intended to put the interlocutor on the defensive to avoid discussion...
The same is done when talking about black crime. If you suggest it's caused by other factors than purely economic ones you're told that you don't really care about crime and just hate blacks. And so what if I did? It's still a massive issue...
I personally think the biggest problem with the trans stuff is that after our gynocratic society destroys the lives of young boys it now seeks to cut their dicks off aswell... Turn them into the defective "women" that our school system already treats them as.

>Absolutely
So pre-op trannies get to use women's bath and locker-rooms? Or how would you decide such matters? Who is a woman?

>>18541154
>and a daughter that has only known me as mom
I just hope you won't indoctrinate your child into your worldview and make her into another crazed client for the left... most likely she'll become a disturbed lesboid of some kind though.

>>18539684
Hilarious given what the Great Mother did to Catholicism. Half the world worshipping her in a mockery of Christ, the ultimate emasculation.

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>>18539614
For the Americans about to celebrate 250
The Public Universal Friend (born Jemima Wilkinson; November 29, 1752 – July 1, 1819) was an American preacher born in Cumberland, Rhode Island, to Quaker parents. After suffering a severe illness in 1776, the Friend claimed to have died and been reanimated as a genderless evangelist named the Public Universal Friend, and afterward shunned both birth name and all pronouns. In androgynous clothes, the Friend preached throughout the northeastern United States, attracting many followers who became the Society of Universal Friends.

>>18541199
>they dont pass unless they get treated early
SEA ladyboys seem to be doing fine given how often they trick foreigners.

>>18540033
Did she get breast implants?

>>18542412
Men can't grow tits naturally. Even with modern estrogen injections, troons barely get any tits.

>>18539614
Holy mental illness, Batman!