>ay boyo, you have a slightly different retarded accent from me, and I dont like that>I also dont like that, mate, lets kill each other for the next 100 years because of these stupid meaningless differencesWhy were anglos like this?
wasn't it just more Catholic vs Protestant christcuckery?
>>18540162did you miss europeans slaughtering each other for 500 years because of Christian infighting?
>last place in europe to take religion seriously to the point they kill each other over it>"haha the anglos are wilding again :skull: :skull:"really need that range ban on latinxistan
>>18540423There's a difference between a bunch of illiterate peasants, who still believe that a big bearded man lives on the clouds, killing each because their incestuous kings ordered them to do so, and modern men, from the 2nd half of the 20th century killing each other because one of them likes Irish Stew while the other one likes Fish and Chips.
>>18540201>>18540426>Catholic vs Protestant Once again, tiny little insignificant differences.If this is enough to make people want to blow each others brains out, then perhaps religion shouldnt exist anymore.
>>18540162>>18540162That's not what happened, with either the War of Independence or the Troubles.The Irish War of Independence has is roots in a failure to implement self-governance in Ireland; an overwhelming majority of voters in Ireland had supported Home Rule (the restoration of Ireland's parliament, which was taken away-again without much support-in 1800) since the elections in 1870. Britain pulled many tricks to try delay or outright prevent the implementation of Home Rule, but eventually the Liberals came to support it as "least bad" option when it came to dealing with Ireland. However when 3 successive Home Rule Bills failed to pass-followed by an indication that the British Government would always side with the Unionist minority over the Nationalist majority-many became disillusioned. When Unionists formed a paramilitary group and threatened rebellion if Home Rule was implemented, Irish nationalists formed their own (spurred on in secret by a revolutionary minority) and vowed to defend Ireland against such a rebellion should Home Rule be granted. When WW1 began, both groups joined the army in droves to demonstrate loyalty to Britain-but many of the Irish nationalists found themselves poorly treated.A small group who refused to go to war (pointing to the lack of self governance after all these years as a reason) became increasingly radicalised, and in 1916 they launched a rebellion intended to radicalise the population against Britain. Britain's heavy-handed response to the rebellion turned many against them, and several political blunders (most famously the attempt to impose inscription) between 1916 and 1918 turned even more on them. In the 1918 elections, Sinn Féin (a revolutionary separatist party) won a landslide victory and declared independence-the Irish War of Independence began. The end result of this was a highly controversial treaty imposed by Britain which saw Ireland turn into a Dominion, which later became the Republic of Ireland.
>>18541278>>18540162So when Ireland became a Dominion in the 1920s (suppressing the IRA in the process), 6 counties became part of "Northern Ireland"-which quickly turned into a sectarian shitshow which sought to entrench and preserve Protestant supremacy over the Irish Catholic minority for as long as possible.A civil rights movement began in the 1960s, demanding reform to bring an end discrimination against Irish Catholics in housing, employment, and elections; Northern Ireland wasn't particularly democratic and open disdain for Irish Catholics had been government policy for decades.The Republic of Ireland's Government had cooled down on the idea of unification and were more interested in better business ties with the north, whilst NI's government at the time was likewise comparatively moderate and seemed open to limited reform to soothe the civil rights movement. Ulster Unionist hardliners, fearing that this would lose them their position of supremacy over Catholics, formed paramilitaries in the mid 1960s and began a terror campaign in the hopes of hardening the government's attitude (or replacing it entirely). This spiralled out of control as they began attacking civil rights marches, leading to riots and widespread unrest. Several shootings and bombings were carried out by said Unionist groups and Northern Ireland rapidly destabilised. Following a particularly bad riot in late 1969, the British Army was called in to try and restore order-they were initially welcomed by all as peacekeepers-but attitudes soon soured when they worked together with the notoriously sectarian police force. The IRA-which had spent the last decade questioning if becoming giga marxist could stop their perpetual decline-imploded into two broad factions as the rank and file were furious at their failure to protect the Irish in Northern Ireland. They then joined the conflict, starting campaigns of their own.
>>18540201>>18540426>>18540958>>18540969Neither the Irish War of Independence nor the Troubles had anything to do with religion.Religion (aka, Protestant/Catholic) was often used as an identifier as to what side you were on, but both conflicts were primarily fought along the lines of Irish Nationalist vs British Unionist.
>>18541278>>18541281What did you think of the Rebellion miniseries, Irishanon?
>>18541299I liked it. Not really accurate at all, but still a very fun watch-like the Michael Collins film. I'm shocked there hasn't been more 1916 media (or general Irish revolutionary media) because it's a very interesting period.Funnily enough, thanks to it coming out Ian McElhinney has now played>Anti-independence pro-British conservativeEdward Butler in Rebellion>Detective from BelfastMichael Collins>Irish Republican IRA sympathiserGrandpa Joe in Derry Girlsall we need now is for him to play a communist and we'll have the full set.
>>18540162>implying it was the Anglos' fault
>>18540423Atheist "historians" on here assert that nothing special happened during that time
>>18541304Tell us about the Cork Soviet.
>>18541326Ironically (and somewhat embarrassingly for Irish Republicans), the two greatest historical gains Irish Nationalists made in the 20th Century were from conflicts ultimately started by Ulster Unionists.>1910s>Irish separatism is a tiny fringe movement with zero political power or clout>Most Irish nationalists are apathetic toward Britain, mostly just wanting to govern themselves within the UK>Britain decides to permanently end potential unrest from them by granting a limited version of what they want>Ulster Unionists form paramilitary groups and threaten armed action if this happens>Irish politics destabilises, separatists find new inroads to political power>Britain sides with the Unionists, Irish population turns on them>IRA shows up, kicks the fuck out of the British Army>Political settlement at the end of the conflict that overwhelmingly favours Irish nationalists (Anglo-Irish Treaty)>1960s>Irish separatism is a tiny fringe movement with zero political power or clout>Most Irish nationalists are apathetic toward Britain, mostly just want to reform NI >Britain decides to permanently end potential unrest from them by granting a limited version of what they want>Ulster Unionists form paramilitary groups and begin a terror campaign to stop this happening>Northern Irish politics destabilises, separatists find new inroads to political power>Britain side with the Unionists, Irish population turns on them>IRA shows up, kicks the fuck out of the British Army >Political settlement at the end of the conflict that overwhelmingly favours Irish nationalists (Good Friday Agreement)Patrick Pearse even pointed out how fucktarded it was that so called Irish "rebels" were being outflanked on radicalism by Ulster Unionists in the 1910s.
>>18541278>>18541281>>18541285>>18541304>>18541342KATATATVTOTWATP
>>18540958Can you just go back to redit already. You clearly feel nothing but disdain for medieval people and that mentality is just really dull and juvenile. You'd probably hate to hear but they weren't nearly as retarded as you think they were. You're not high and mighty at all.
>>18541278>>18541281Didn't know you still post here. thanks for staying.
>>18541332What would you like to know?General refusal to deal with the British became increasingly common across Ireland thanks to the small but extremely active Irish Citizen Army and their allies; the Limerick Trades Council called a general strike in early April 1919 and began an embargo of British military personnel and any supplies that they carried. Limerick was already tense on account of Robert Bryne's death earlier that year; in January he was put before a court martial for his possession of a revolver, and was thrown in prison. A botched attempt by the IRA to break him out saw him shot by the RIC, and thus Limerick became a "Special Military Area", aka somewhere placed directly under the control of the British Army with restrictions on movement in or out of it. The number of workers striking in April was between 13,000 and 14,000 and key resources like water/fuel/electricity fell under control of the Strike Committee. They printed their own currency and published their own newspaper, but whilst the Trade Unions were keen to spread this activity across Ireland the Irish Labour Leadership cucked out because they were afraid of having to face down the British themselves instead of letting the IRA+Sinn Féin do it.The ILPTUC (replaced the ITUC) tried to ask the strikers to organise an evacuation of the city and were told to fuck off. While it was short lived it did have a big impact; Britain were henceforth very spooked by the idea of trying to strongarm anywhere that had a strong union movement/organised workers because it would instantly render it impossible for the army to operate in the area, at a time when they were already being forced out of much of southern and western Ireland by the IRA.
>>18541355I find posting about history on /his/ very comfy. The board sadly has a few more screeching /pol/fags but all they do is bump the threads so who gives a fuck.
>>18541364It's not even politics anymore but religion with a bunch of unironic fedora tippers like from 2011 and some christian idiots that give them attention
>>18541361What links, if any, did they have to the wider international socialist movement at that point, in Bavaria, Hungary, and obviously Russia?
>>18541380The Limerick Soviet itself didn't have any, it was actually somewhat severed from the leadership of what was considered the "cause of Labour in Ireland" in account of the aforementioned fear the leadership had of having to face the British themselves.But revolutionary labour politics in Ireland was very well connected; the Irish Citizen Army was the first "Red Amy" in Europe, after all. James Connolly dying in 1916 is likely the main reason he isn't one of several titans of revolutionary socialism in European history alongside the likes of Rosa Luxemburg and Lenin-he was a serious forced to be reckoned with, likewise with Larkin.Lenin and Connolly were close friends, and Lenin famously wrote about the 1916 Rebellion (which may have not happened were it not for the ICA tail wagging the Irish Volunteers dog) and lamented that it seemed like the rebellion was premature. Irish socialists were very active overseas in the years prior to the revolution (in Europe and the US) and there were Irish marxists at the Comintern Congress in 1920. Ultimately though the IRA dwarfed them and by the tail-end of the War of Independence Irish business leaders were starting to call the IRA in to deal with striking workers/Irish Citizen Army agitators. It was the view of the ICA that they'd probably have to fight the IRA to get any sort of real socialist revolutionary state.
>>18541395>by the tail-end of the War of Independence Irish business leaders were starting to call the IRA in to deal with striking workers/Irish Citizen Army agitators.Ireland will NOT lick the boots of British capitalists. They will lick the boots of IRISH capitalists. (predominantly british)
>>18540162Ireland well know for being Anglos. Boyo a well known Irish word.
>>18541604Such was the prophecy of Connolly.>"If you remove the English Army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts will be in vain. England will still rule you.">"She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.” This is a huge reason why Irish Republicanism shifted further to the left following the Irish Revolutionary period; the IRA spent 1919-1922 fighting for an Irish Republic only to see the politicians of Sinn Féin (later Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil) sell it all out to become a Dominion of the Empire, then a shitty Catholic Conservative stagnant mess, then a neoliberal EU province that didn't care one iota about the fate of the Irish in Northern Ireland.
>>18540162>ay boyo, you're a paramilitary operative for an occupying power, hold still while I kneecap you
>>18541351Lmao I'm sure a society of illiterate, dung eating inbred peasants was the height of civilization. Worthless hick.
The Irish would get more respect if they embraced being a seceded nation of the United Kingdom, rather than whinging about being 'oppressed Gaels' and 'the first victims of the Empire'
>>18542054Could the Socialist Republic as they envisaged been achieved from the War of Independence? It had been my understanding that Irish capacity to fight was running on fumes, and while maybe the British will to continue fighting was similarly drained if forced to continue they would have overwhelmed Ireland. What else could Collins have negotiated for?
>>18542164>Could the Socialist Republic as they envisaged been achieved from the War of Independence? Nah. The biggest benefit the IRA had was that they had quite "legitimate" (in terms of rebel governments) government which they were fighting for; Sinn Féin had won a landslide victory in 1918 so there wasn't much in the way of a government to oppose them. By the 1920s the Irish Citizen Army numbered only a couple hundred at most, and while they had masses of organised labour the labour leadership were too spooked by British reprisals to try and overtake Sinn Féin as the "rebel government.">It had been my understanding that Irish capacity to fight was running on fumesThey were on fumes from the start, the only reason the IRA wasn't instantly suppressed was due to talented leadership and British incompetence.>What else could Collins have negotiated for?We don't know; many believe the only reason he was sent there was so that Dev could avoid the heat of an inevitably unpopular treaty. The Treaty was presented to the Dáil Éireann by Britain as "accept this or we're going to massive escalate the conflict, and we'll never really know if they were bluffing. We do know, however, that the counter-revolution that came with the civil war absolutely shattered much of the more left wing/revolutionary elements of the Dáil. There were pragmatists like Collins (who believed that this temporary state of affairs would allow for them to get on their feet to then inevitably absorb Northern Ireland) and then there were hard conservatives like Kevin O'Higgins who took the opportunity to crush any and all revolutionary politics to entrench him and his political allies. The Civil War was absolutely devastating.
>>18542088Inter-paramilitary fighting wasn't actually as common as you may think. At least, not along the lines of Irish vs British.Loyalist Paramilitaries (that's all of them together; UVF, UDA, UFF, etc) killed around 41 members of Republican Paramilitaries, whilst Republican Paramilitaries killed a total of 57 members of Loyalist Paramilitaries. Irish Republican Paramilitaries primarily targeted security forces; police and army (and their support staff) which totalled 1,000+. Loyalist Paramilitaries primarily targeted civilians, of whom they killed 850+.The most common form of inter-paramilitary violence was usually groups on the same "side." An example would be the Provisional IRA launched attacks on the "Irish People's Liberation Organisation", killing their leadership of their Belfast Brigade for getting the group involved in the drug trade, which the PIRA opposed. Another example would be the notorious Loyalist feuds in the 1990s, where leaders would fall out with one another and start fighting over drug territory-or the LVF splitting away from the UVF when the UVF leadership suggested moving away from sectarian killings.
>>18540201>christcuckery
>>18540969If there’s no God then there’s nothing wrong with blowing other people’s brains out.
>>18540201No, it was a political conflict (Irish republicans vs Ulster loyalists). It wasn’t caused by differences in catholic and protestant beliefs
>>18542088>occupying powerNorthern Ireland has always been a part of the UK and never a part of the ROI
>>18542235Yep. The first Chief of Staff of the Provisional IRA was born to Protestant parents in London and wrote at length about how the religious divide was retarded and used by richfags to step the poor in Ulster coming together to skin them alive.>>18542239Northern Ireland was one of the easiest places in Western Europe to accuse of being an "occupying power" because they made absolutely zero effort to accommodate or even win over the Irish Nationalists annexed into their territory. If Northern Ireland had only been founded on majority Unionist land it'd have collapsed, and even the largely moderate nationalist voters were robbed of any real way to participate in democracy for the first several decades. Never underestimate how utterly woeful the imbeciles of the UUP were for NI's pre-troubles history.
>>18540969how enlightened of you, my little reddit scholar, I'd like to hear more of your "solution"
>>18540201Pretty minor concern now in light of the trillions of muslims and hindus pouring in.Germoids are also split like that and they have managed to not kill eachother since that one time 400 years ago.Also the irish issue was actually a nationalist conflict with the aesthetics of religious sectarianism
