>he's arrogant But is he wrong? >he's culturally insensitive But is he wrong? >he punches down But is he wrong?
He's another delulu nordicist convinced that ancient greeks and romans were nordics so yeah he's wrong like all his snowtep ilks
>>18540779aren't northern europeans closer to the ancient greeks and romans than modern--say southern europeans who lived under ottoman occupation for hundreds of years? don't know much about this so genuinely curious
>>18540832No
>>18540832Ottomans were white, unlike the brown Huns or Mongols that Northern Europeans were subjected to.
>>18540972"The Ottoman Empire made Greece whiter"
>>18540832>>18540833There are a couple of things to this. First you have to define Nordic. A lot of Mediterraneans today use 'Nordicism' as a slur to attack any detractors who may suggest that the ancient Greeks and Romans didn't look identical to their Syrian cousin with a unibrow. It's mainly a straw man, I can count the number of times I've seen a genuine Nordicist, someone who thinks the ancient Greeks and Romans were all but identical to modern day Scandinavians with their blond hair and blue eyes, like the imbecile Varg Vikernes, on one hand. But of course most level headed people who are accused of 'Nordicism' just think the ancients had higher amounts of northernly IE components.In the case of Rome, there was paper a few years ago, maybe more, that showed yes, the Romans leading up until the Republic era had a higher proportion of northern DNA. This shifted eastward to the east Mediterranean/Middle East as it transitioned to the Empire.Another issue you have is that many Mediterranean chauvinist love to reference papers showing genetic continuity between the ancients and the modern populations of these countries because some anthropologist sequenced the genome of some peasant graves or whatever, but this still doesn't address the other argument of their opponents, that the IE migrations and establishments of societies were elite skewed, that they came in and established an aristocratic class that ruled over the indigenous people there, and that these very elites often practiced cremation so there'd be no way of sampling there remains to begin with. Chiefly, their argument is that of sampling bias. And a lot of governments have barred genetic testing on certain graves/sites too compounding the issue if I'm not mistaken.
>>18541005My man you're essentially doing the "I'm not racist but have you looked up the black on white crime ratio" bit. You're a nordicist, stop that.From what we know, Greeks were far browner than the already very brown modern Greeks and ancient Romans were at most Catalan tier whites.
>>18541027>From what we know, Greeks were far browner than the already very brown modern GreeksSource?
>>18540755Jared Taylor is the only serious person to come out of the "alt-right">>18540779nordicist is a bullshit gaslighting term. What this really boils down to is insecure brownoids wanting to claim Greeks and Romans as their own by insisting that they were AKSHULLY swarthy brown people instead of the reality that they were very much indeed white people and often differentiated themselves along racial lines with black people.
>>18541005>Another issue you have is that many Mediterranean chauvinist love to reference papers showing genetic continuity between the ancients and the modern populations of these countries because some anthropologist sequenced the genome of some peasant graves or whatever, but this still doesn't address the other argument of their opponents, that the IE migrations and establishments of societies were elite skewed, that they came in and established an aristocratic class that ruled over the indigenous people there, and that these very elites often practiced cremation so there'd be no way of sampling there remains to begin with.Sounds like a convenient way to render a claim unfalsifiable.
>>18541074By far the biggest admixture in the Greek population since the Hellenistic era was Slavic, clustering with modern day Poland.Retards will say>but some Mycenean noble sample had higher steppe DNAAs if Iron Age Greece was in any way remarkable. Hellenic civilization began in earnest in the Classical era, reached its height under Alexander, and evolved through the Roman and Medieval era to today, and throughout those steps it was a mixed Balkan/Thracian/Anatolian/Caucasian/Near Easterner society, because all those areas were Hellenized and became part of the Greek world.
>>18541078>nordicist is a bullshit gaslighting termNah, certain Euros kept on making so much stupid pet theories and declaring them as fact+holding entire fields hostage for so long that people created the term. Leo Frobenius was the reason why the "African Atlantis" theory became a thing.
>>18540779source? all jared taylor ever talks about is how stupid and violent american blacks are, which is demonstrably true
>>18541106some of the most important greek cities were in italy, you're exaggerating how orientalized classical greece was by ignoring that
>>18541137Magna Graecia... motherland...
>>18541106so no source and you just made it up. got it.
>>18541184Literally every DNA papers shows the same.
>Geneticists have analyzed the DNA of two adults buried next to each other in a Phanagorian crypt in the second century BC. The researchers determined that the remains belonged to an elderly man and woman from different populations. While the man was genetically related to ancient populations of Asia Minor and the Middle East, the woman descended from an ancient population that likely lived in eastern or northern Europe. Umm, Nordic bros?
*sound of a brazilian mod sacrificing chickens to magical black cubans intensifies*
>>18541188and yet you don't post any of these supposed papers. the Greeks' own art portrays them as recognizably white chads. you aren't related and they didn't look like you brownoid
>>18541211What's the point? Everyone who reads them knows about all the findings. There are no Nordic Greek samples.
>>18541133Non-whites in general, but of course the racial differences are most stark with blacks (since he doesn't live with abos I guess). He's mentioned the JQ a few times. He just doesn't like talking about it as he says it's too dangerous to mention it, specially with his views on race. But he acknowledges the problem.
>>18541216Obsessing over blacks while getting logged by Asians is "acknowledges the problem"? American myopia is such a sad yet interesting thing to see.
>>18541133>which is demonstrably trueAmericans blacks are inline with the American norm. Always found it weird when racists try to paint them as some sort of extremely isolated ethnic group.
>>18541214I accept your concession. don't come back monkey
>>18541217I meant he acknowledges the Jewish problem. JQ.He doesn't really have bad things to say about East Asians, specially the Japanese whom he admires (he grew up in Japan). His stance is just a type of lolbertism free association. He wants to be around whites because he loves his people and the societies and environments they create. It's really very milquetoast.>>18541220What's the point of lying? American blacks are relatively extremely criminal (12/60) and low IQ (85).
>>18541211So when exactly did Greeks stop being "white chads", my /pol/yp friend?
>>18541223>He doesn't really have bad things to say about East Asians, specially the Japanese whom he admires (he grew up in Japan).Because he can't use "science" and "evidence" to create a shitty narrative about them.>He wants to be around whites because he loves his people and the societies and environments they create. It's really very milquetoast.Nah he basically wants to penalize people for not being white and keep them in a state of unease. It's still sociopathic BS.>American blacks are relatively extremely criminal (12/60) and low IQ (85).Compared to the world as whole their rates are pretty low and have been decreasing. Also no one takes IQ slop seriously, especially since any brown/black group that scores well gets handwaved away. Even with that "low IQ" they have still made major contributions to American society.
>>18541211>greeks were nords because they made marble statues Are you fucking retarded?
>>18541231Why are you so agitated about this? You're clearly winning since the US is like 50% nonwhite at this point
>>18541231Jared Taylor's stance is just that he wants to be among his own. He's open to stuff like making free association legal in the US (I.e. legally being able to form white only communities), or even ceding a bunch of land to non-whites and creating a whites-only state. Does this offend you? Do you think access to white countries is a right?As for the rest of your post I don't care to respond to. Won't argue about obvious things. But I am curious as to what your mental gymnastics as to why Jared Taylor's extremely inoffensive stance is offensive to you.
>>18541237all reconstructions of the paint used by the Greeks on their statues shows that they portrayed themselves with pale skin. seethe about it brownoid
>>18541242>Jared Taylor's stance is just that he wants to be among his own.Which always gets used a pivot into more idiotic stances like>He's open to stuff like making free association legal in the US (I.e. legally being able to form white only communities), or even ceding a bunch of land to non-whites and creating a whites-only state. Does this offend you?>Do you think access to white countries is a right?Who the fuck says shit like this? Black Americans were in the US way before most of the population, America is their country. >But I am curious as to what your mental gymnastics as to why Jared Taylor's extremely inoffensive stance is offensive to you.It'a wrapper used to basically candy up self-glharming and extremely destructive policy pushes which end up hurting everyone.
>>18541252Why would it hurt everyone? If within the US he was able to form a white-only community with other like-minded whites, why does this affect you? You absolutely NEED to have access white spaces? Why don't you form your own space?By the way, this is not my stance. As I've said it's Taylor's which is very mild. I don't know if America is salvageable. But within Europe you definitely need mass remigrations at the very least.
>>18541269>Why would it hurt everyone?Because many people leveraging racist rhetoric towards blacks to push their policies don't actually care about white people either.>like-minded whites, why does this affect you? You absolutely NEED to have access white spaces? >Why don't you form your own space?Because people have constantly targetted non-white spaces for ages. Turns out even whenswgregsti g people by racea, white southerners still found ways to get either mad at Blacks being in Black spaces designated for them or using the state to seize segregated land and kicking out black citizens to even more marginal areas. The dynamic has always been a one-sided rampage to seize resources and poltical power.>But within Europe you definitely need mass remigrations at the very leastForcing people out would be so stupid. More so when many of the people pushing for chud parties and polcies in Europe are so clearly not locals. France's right wing is filled with Italian, Jews, Portuguese and mixed Euros (with either other Euro or even non-Euro) with no definite background. One of the guys who incided the anti-migrant riot a few years back was a German/African guy living in Finland.
>>18541291Shitty response that didn't really mean anything. You are actively targeting white spaces by now allowing it to happen. But anyway.>Forcing people out would be so stupidWell, the alternative is their countries turn into third world shitholes, and their people go extinct.
>>18541291And this is also seen places in colonial Asia and Africa where you had guys WILLINGLY TRAVEL to these places, get mentally assblasted at the idea of being on African/Asian soil and being within proximity of the natives, and forcibly segregate and cut off people from their land all so they can larp as some sort of sheltered elite.
>>18541295What the fuck is a white space anyways. Anyone can literally call anything "white space" of you use insane leaps of logic to justify it. Is 4chan a white space, is the doctor's office a white space? What about the United States Military Academy a white space or the battlefields in Pacific Ocean during WW2?
>>18541291It's not the New York Times comments section, anon, you don't have to capitalise black
>>18541302We are talking about a specific group.
>>18541291>More so when many of the people pushing for chud parties and polcies in Europe are so clearly not locals. France's right wing is filled with ItalianWhy does this matter from a white nationalist perspective?
>>18541307Because when the face of your right wing anti-immigrant movement are immigrants, kids_descendants of immigrants, not French/Native to the country and more than that just show how much of a joke it is.
>>18541345>Europeans living in Europe is a joke
>>18541353>Thinks all Euros are the same.You'll never make it in life.
>>18541300Why are you pretending to not understand?
>>18541078Alt-right is a nonexistent psyop term. Jared was around about ten years prior to that. He's fluent in Japanese.
>>18541211Insane beauty
>>18541231The strongest argument against high IQ is India.
>>18541451What do you mean?
>>18541241If you're under 30 you're a minority if you're white
>>18541242They fear white superiority (supremacy). They wa
>>18541420What part do you not get. Tell us what the fuck is a white space? Better yet tell us why anyone in any postion of power should heed whatever 20 year old slop linea you've been regurgitating? You think people will start kicking out Iranian professors or the Senegalese guy working in finance because of some white Nats who can barely function?
>>18541252Even Lincoln said it. He wanted to ship them all to Liberia. The cultural problems from having two races that are so different has been numerous. Austin Metcalf.
>>18541291Blacks live in the best locations yet can't keep themselves from committing crime and the ghetto always looks like a bomb was dropped on it. Add that you live off the backs of whites through welfare.
>>18541453They have a lot of high IQ people but come from a depressing shithole. They justify the shithole by saying they have money and high IQs and they think it makes them better or equal to poor whites in legitimate First World countries.
>>18541458You seemed to have no trouble understanding what you meant earlier by "non-white spaces". >Iranian professors>Senegalese guy working in financeKicking these out (to the extent they exist, in particular the latter one) is lower down on the list of priorities. I'm not in principle against visiting professors either. Mass expulsions and ethnic cleansings are a norm throughout history. If Europe doesn't do something to this effect. the race that invented, discovered, and created virtually everything in the modern world, will go extinct. Those really are the stakes.
>>18541118Romans and Greeks were white people and NOT brown or black people anon. Deal with it. Literally no one is saying that Scandinavians were Romans
>>18541462Ah yes. Of course high IQ Indians exist, even if the average is low. With something close to 2 billion South Asians, there's obviously bound to be smart ones. That doesn't mean every Indian with an IQ over 110 should be imported to the Netherlands or something. And not just because of their ultimate behavior once there (as you pointed out). You simply need no justification for preserving your own kind.
>>18541463>Kicking these out (to the extent they exist, in particular the latter one) is lower down on the list of priorities. I'm not in principle against visiting professors either.You are creating a hostile that is hostile to local and foreign academics and researchers doing work. There are plenty of Africans working in fiance and ME working in research. Creating obstacles for either would habe negative repercussions among multple sectors and fields.>Mass expulsions and ethnic cleansings are a norm throughout history.So was a bunch if other fucked shit. Why try to glorify it or give it a sanitized image?>If Europe doesn't do something to this effect. the race that invented, discovered, and created virtually everything in the modern world, will go extinct. Those really are the stakes.It won't you sperg. Buying a fucking stick of ram from a Chinese manufacturer or downloading a piece of open source software made by some non-white will not cause the collapse of Europe. Trying to justify sociopathic behavior to cement an advantage you feel you are "entitled or born to have" will lead to some fucked up slipper slope BS.
>>18541459>>18541460The same speaking g pointa. Do people juat recite the same cable news talking points over and over again?>>18541465>Literally no one is saying that Scandinavians were RomansCentiries of revisionist science and anthropology says otherwise.
>>18541473yes tell me more about how we absolutely need Africans to conduct finance and ME lmao, the white man prior to Africans couldn’t calculate interest payments lmao
>>18541473>It won't you sperg. Buying a fucking stick of ram from a Chinese manufacturer or downloading a piece of open source software made by some non-white will not cause the collapse of EuropeThis is not what I was talking about. What are you talking about? What I said was clearly that if Europe does not keep itself European, they will go extinct. It's basically a tautology.
>>18541300Europe is a white space.
>>18541477They're repeated because they are true. Whites are a genius race and they bless the world with it. And now they're a global minority.
>>18541473Yeah and as >>18541478 insinuated, it's absurd to suggest Europe needs African people in finance, all 17 of them, or the Iranian professors (who again, I have nothing against). Europe did just fine without them (scientific revolution, industrial revolution, Beethoven, Bach, Shakespeare, Newton, Euler, Descartes, space age, inventing and discovering basically everything etc.)
>>18541479He's clearly just dishonest or self-deluding. First he equated an italian living in france with a black doing the same. Then he deflected what someone means by via semantic deflection on the term "white space" which itself was mimicry of the same phrasing he used. Now he pretends that invention is equivalent to manufacturing, in order to ignore the point. He's probably also the same guy who was wewuzzing with greeks.Similarly these arguments will never be accepted by the unproven races because their insecurity prevents them from being able to integrally consider it lest they come to a conclusion they don't like. And obviously with Jews or the rare detesting Asian, they do it fully aware of it with self-satisfied intent to corrode, prideful of their rhetorical manipulaton. So there's not much point in having it with them other than talking over them and perhaps fleshing the thought out for ones self. Thus the only people this conversation should be had with is internally with other whites, being a white apologetic to non-whites to soften the blow or have them accept it, is futile.
>>18541532>First he equated an italian living in france with a black doing the sameFrench white nationalists think that though. They are nordicist and hate Italians and Spaniards and view them as invaders in a blonde, Germanic land nonetheless.
>>18541483>it's absurd to suggest Europe needs African people in financeFinance is global thing. Same with academia, companies and organisms hire the people they feel will perform in their jobs.>Europe did just fine without them (scientific revolution, industrial revolution, Beethoven, Bach, Shakespeare, Newton, Euler, Descartes, space age, inventing and discovering basically everything etc.)You conveniently left out the massive amounts of trade, travel and exchange Europe has done with other parts of the world.
>>18541533Even if they do, they're an extreme minority within WN movements. And they too would agree that the Italians and Spaniards are the least of their concerns.
>>18541532>First he equated an italian living in france with a black doing the same.Both are foreigners lol. America. White nats are so retarded.>Similarly these arguments will never be accepted by the unproven races because their insecurity prevents them from being able to integrally consider it lest they come to a conclusion they don't like. And obviously with Jews or the rare detesting Asian, they do it fully aware of it with self-satisfied intent to corrode, prideful of their rhetorical manipulaton.Blah blah blah no one is falling for your low level statements and you're throwing a bitchfit because people don't follow Amerislop race authors.
>>18541539False. Having the face of your RW movement be a swarthy barely French guy is an embrassment.
>>18541539You're mistaken, people with those types of beliefs are probably the majority. And they're only not as much of a problem now due to MENA and Africans being a more pressing concern, but even so many can't even wait until that point and will constantly voice their distaste about Southern Europeans and nordicist beliefs constantly.
If Non-Europeans are equal, why is it seen as cruel for them to be forced to live amongst themselves in their own countries? Anger in response I can understand, but they always try to portray it as amoral or uncivil on grounds of equality without seeing the irony. The only people who have some right to be consiedered ethically when discussing European presence is the Native Americans, as they don't have anywhere else on earth to be, and this itself is wholly irrelevant to Europe.
>>18541550idk, sounds like nonsense to me. Are you sure you're not overly-exposing you to people like Varg? Among the groups and people that I'm aware of, true Nordicism/Germanicism is very fringe
>>18541554You're just not paying attention enough then. Maybe it was confined more to the fringe at one point, not anymore.
>>18540832No lol
>>18541379Incoherent response
>>18541291So why do you have such strong feelings about this topic? You're aware that remigration is a political impossibility at this point, right?
>>18540779Even if he believed that it's not a subject he's known for discussing so you're a bitch for representing him that way
>>18541473Some of us are objectively born with advantages and wanting to survive as people groups is not sociopathic behaviour. Fuck you.
>>18540755Wasn't there some deep lore where his wife released a tape of David Duke that torpedoed his political campaign?
>>18540832>>18540779>>18540755For the last time you stupid cucks. Europeans are a combination of WHG, EEF, and Yamnaya. The reason southern Europeans are "brown" is because of their EEF ancestry. (Not because of some imaginary mass Arab rape that took place 1000 years ago). That's what the Neolithic Farmers looked like 8000 years ago. Southern Europeans have high levels of EEF and low WHG and Yamnaya.
>>18541252>It'a wrapper used to basically candy up self-glharming and extremely destructive policy pushes which end up hurting everyone.there's no such thing as a noble lie, all you're doing is kicking the can down the road to defer the problem for a later date. american race relations could have been solved constructively and relatively painlessly 100 years ago, the more complicated this country's ethnic makeup gets the worse an inevitable rupture will be.
>>18543183This. Spanish, Italian, and Greek are swarthy for the same reason Welsh and Cornish people are.
>>18543183Globular Amphora where like 75% EEF and yet they were extremely light featured. I think it was just a form of selection that happened after the core European race-substance had been formed. WHG, EEF, Aryans/Steppe, none were light featured like modern Europeans.
>>18541477Ancient Romans and Greeks were white people. They werent brown/black people. Literally no one is claiming that they were from Scandinavia. Deal with it.
>>18543307>Literally no one is claiming that they were from ScandinaviaCenturies of revisionist nordicist rhetoric says otherwise. To this day they still apply it to various Mediterranean groups and Africa lol.
>>18543184>american race relations could have been solved constructively and relatively painlessly 100 years agoTreating your own citizens like equals?
>>18543326we both know that never satisfies their grievances.
>>18543414White supremacists who are constantly tryingto pull back civil rights and voting and labour rights across the US. Yeah they won't ever stop since they all pine for an era they never acrually lived in or get bonkers off disturbing power fantasies. Worst part is that they now expanded to explicitly fucking over white and hispanic people too because why not?
>>18543325>Centuries of revisionist nordicist rhetoric says otherwise.Name five noted actual historians who specifically claim that the Ancient Romans and Greeks were Scandinavians.
>>18543424Ideally, black people should've been given an autonomous homeland somewhere in the American south. Then we'd part ways amicably and everyone would save themselves a lot of trouble.
>>18543424>white supremacists are bad people who want (unrelated commie talking point), therefore you're not allowed to prevent immigration from somalia or have a whites-only country club, chud. Blacks and jews and every other ethnic group are allowed to do so though because that's the status quo.
>>18543424>white supremacistsWhat does this mean? Do you think Jared Taylor believes white people are the master race who should reign supreme above all others? Are they already genetically 'supreme'? Do they really like that skater brand? Do they get a chicken supreme pizza on the weekends? If you're going to hock a derogatory libtard exonym you should be able to justify it. Perhaps you're a black supremacist who is just projecting.
>>18543483Are you having a schizophrenia conversation.>>18543494>If you're going to hock a derogatory libtard exonym you should be able to justify itI did. His whole system of beliefs pretty much setting out to screw over people based on factors they had no control over and then having that spread under more PR friendly phrasing.
>>18543448>black people should've been given an autonomous homeland somewhere in the American south.You'd think they'd give blacks ANY land? They were doing backflips and somersault just to grab land from them allover the place. A black state would be an affront to the Southern political as a whole.
>>18543511I said "ideally", retard.
>>18541220>Americans blacks are inline with the American norm. Always found it weird when racists try to paint them as some sort of extremely isolated ethnic group.literally an incredible statement you could prove wrong in 10 seconds with numerous google searches. unbelievable.
>>18543529>literally an incredible statement you could prove wrong in 10 seconds with numerous google searches.Which all shows that they are within the American norms? You make it seem like they are on par with Brazil or the worst parts of Mexico. If we are being honest here even the white Southern stats are pretty close since both have major ties to each other.
>>18543534>If we are being honest here even the white Southern stats are pretty close since both have major ties to each other.are they? I'd like to see the data for that
>>18541291You are completely delusional. Crazy.
>>18541300>What the fuck is a white space anyways. Anyone can literally call anything "white space" of you use insane leaps of logic to justify it.Man, you are absolutely wild. What anons are talking about is exceedingly simple.
>>18541473>Creating obstacles for either would habe negative repercussions among multple sectors and fields.>a few professors living elsewhere justifies millions of foreigners' presencebrilliant. I've convinced.
>>18541473>Buying a fucking stick of ram from a Chinese manufacturer or downloading a piece of open source software made by some non-white will not cause the collapse of Europe.straw man
>>18543547So would you be expelling non-whites from their jobs in "white spaces". What about public jobs that serve the public or in Healthcare? What about private companies or ones that are of foreign origin? Are you going to stop a Japanese company from having a Japanese man be a regional manager of their American branch?>>18543551There's countless examples. Where do you think a ton of the onions feed that goes into propping the Dutch cattle industry up come from? What about Smartphones? There's so many examples that can be thrown at you all day.>>18543549Research is research and pretty much shooting yourself innthe foot for mere poltica benefits no one. The Chinese only got Nuke tech solely becauae they falsely accused and ruined the career of a Chineae scientist that helped create the nuclear bomb.
>>18543509Denying non-whites permanent citizenship in my country is screwing them over? A case could be made to the opposite effect with the problem of brain drain. You failed to define "white supremacist" nor justify it, even if I accept your premise that you showed Taylor's ideology is about screwing people over due to immutable characteristics, which by the way, you better not support affirmative action if that's the line you're taking. You're the schizo here, kike
>>18543586>Denying non-whites permanent citizenship in my country is screwing them over?For many people who are planning to do long term work and study yeah. There's difference between making the voting process more consistent and intentionally screwing people over.>You failed to define "white supremacist" nor justify itDo you not know how to read? Pretty nich creating a system that hordes resources towards one (white) group while penalizing othera through direct and indirect ways is white supremacy lol.>which by the way, you better not support affirmative action if that's the line you're takingNo one brought up AA you high school dropout. Stop trying to find things to mald over like a retired boomer watching cable news. Like how are you like this at your age?
>>18543622I definitely want to "screw you over" if it means keeping you out of my country, you're clearly a low IQ ESL who can't argue in good faith
>living.... in my own country.... without white people giving me their resources!?!?!?!?! AHHHHHH THIS IS WHITE SUPREMACY HELP IM GOING INSANE WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME EVIL WHITE PEOPLE!?!?!?!?
>I MUST have access to white people at ALL times. Otherwise, society will collapse and whites will experience mass poverty and starvation. The West should step up imports of nonwhites to about 20 million a year. In a generation's time, we'll be colonizing Mars with the median salary around $150K.
>>18543622>Sar I am needing permanent citizenship for study sarrrrrr you are bloody bhenchode white supremacist if you are not sharing your white bobs and vagene sar, that is screwing me over and whoarding resources
>>18544017lol
