He's right. Latin American backwardness is purely a racial issue, arguably the most blatant case of it in the world.
>>18540771How do these retards react to the fact that most of pre-independence Latin America, that is, before the abolition of the caste system, with the obvious exception of the Caribbean and Brazil, was predominantly Amerindian, and the caste system was created because the Criollo nd Mestizo children of the Conquistadores, such as the Martín Cortés Brothers and Diego de Almagro II wanted independence of Spain because they were encomienderos who wanted to further exploit Amerindian labor protected by the Church?
>>18540812>In his famous Political Essay on the Kingdom of New Spain, Alexander von Humboldt estimated that in 1808 the number of Indians exceeded 2,500,000. That of the Whites or "Spaniards” probably amounted to 1,200,000 —of whom only 70-80,000 were born in Europe — Blacks numbered around 16,000. And the castas, derived from the “mixed-races”, comprised 2,400,000. That is, at the end of the colonial period, the Indians constituted the majority of the population with 41%, followed by the “Castas” with 39%, Whites with 20% and Blacks with just 0.26%>To further investigate this hypothesis we use TRACTS (56) to estimate the major admixture events between European, African, and Native American ancestries to occur between -AD 1836 and 1866 (Fig. 3B and SI Appendix. Fig. 59). This suggests that the majority of admixture between the Spanish and Native Americans did not occur until -300 y after Spain conquered Peru, which is consistent with what others have found for South America (4)
>>18540771Shitholes gonna shithole. They bring their class and caste systems of oppression here.
>>18540771Well duh. How do you hold a country together when it's got europeans, indians and blacks? I could've told you it was going to fail. Diverse countries cannot function. The more diverse America gets the more dysfunctional it gets.
>>18540771>>18541087I think a rule of thumb is that the closer you are to a monkey biologically the shittier your country is going to be
>NAHHH DUDE YOU DONT GET IT>DUDE THE US MARINE CORPS OCCUPIED THIS COUNTRY PORT FOR 7 MONTHS BACK IN 1909>THATS WHY THEY ARE PERPETUALLY A BACKWARDS, THIRD WORLD, POOR SHITHOLE>ITS ALL AMERICAS FAULT!!This has always come across as one of the most pathetic copes
>>18541087>I could've told you it was going to fail. Diverse countries cannot function.What do you think empires are?>The more diverse America gets the more dysfunctional it gets.It eas always diverse retard.>>18541094All humans are apes.>>18541098Why are you on a history board?
>>18540812Huetard, you should really try to read up on the caste system and its historiography. It's availiable online.
>>18540771I'm willing to bet 100,000 pesos that account is based in India.But I agree, just look at the elites of Latin America: castizos, Jews like Sheinbaum and Milei or Muslims like Bukele aka all trash from the Old World.You just know LATAM would be kino if it's elites were mestizo or even better pure-blooded indio. Or if it didn't have elites at all.>>18541098Meanwhile>Misteeeeeeeer, it's da jewz misteeeeer! They subverted my country, that's why we don't have free healthcare and there's a school shooting every other week or somethingLikely story gringo
>>18541149And since when did I denied the existence of the Spanish caste system, you functionally illiterate? It happened because of people like these:>Martín Cortés (Spanish pronunciation: [maɾˈtiŋ koɾˈtes]; c. 1522 – c. 1569) was a Spanish military man and courtier. He was the first-born son of Hernán Cortés and Doña Marina (La Malinche), the conquistador's indigenous interpreter and concubine. He is considered to be one of the first mestizos of New Spain and is known as "El Mestizo" (Spanish pronunciation: [el mesˈtiθo]). He was recognized by his father, and was legitimized in 1529 by a bull of Pope Clement VII (along with his siblings Catalina and Luis)>Don Martín Cortés y Zúñiga, 2nd Marquess of the Valley of Oaxaca (1532 – 13 August 1589, born in Cuernavaca in what is now the state of Morelos, Mexico) was the Criollo son and designated heir of Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés by his second wife, Doña Juana de Zúñiga. Don Martín shared his name with an elder half-brother, Martín Cortés "El Mestizo", whose mother was Doña Marina (La Malinche). He was involved with a conspiracy of encomenderos, was investigated, tried, and spared the death penalty>The Martín Cortez brothers led a movement along with some encomenderos to prevent the abolition of encomiendas that was mandated by the New Laws of 1542 (they were rumored to be about to come into effect soon) as well as greater autonomy for the New Spain. From the encomenderos' point of view, they were the heirs of the conquerors who had given the Crown the rich and vast territory and so they sought to retain what they considered their just rewards for service with their encomienda grants. The Crown was increasingly opposed to the development of a noble group that challenged its power and perquisites, and the New Laws that limited the inheritance of encomiendas was a mechanism to phase out the sources of wealth and power for the conqueror group
>>18541168>In New Spain, on the death of the Viceroy Don Luís de Velasco in 1564, Don Martín was named Captain General by the Mexico City Council, with hints of independence for the viceroyalty. In 1565, the Criollo Encomedores seemed to go beyond merely advocating protection of the conqueror group's interests and offered to raise rebellion and crown Don Martín king of New Spain. According to contemporary observer Juan Suárez de Peralta (a relative of Hernán Cortés' late first wife, Catalina Suárez), Don Martín was not all in with the conspirators but did not discourage them. Don Martín's vacillation caused the plot to be first postponed and then abandoned. On 16 July 1566, the plotters were betrayed and the leaders arrested, including Don Martín, his elder brother of same name, and the rich and influential Alonso de Ávila, nephew of the conquistador of the same name. The Martin Cortez brothers were sentenced to death and beheaded by conspiracy>In Don Martín's trial, he was accused of treason and inciting rebellion against the king. According to the trial questionnaires, of which 388 leaves are found in the Harkness Collection of the Library of Congress (and published in transcription and English translation), he was accused of seeking to overturn the audencia (high court) and its judges be assassinated, and he would become king of New Spain. The questionnaires for the trial were drawn up in September 1566 and another in November. There were powerful witnesses testifying to his participation in the plot, including the brother and son of Luis de Velasco. Testifying for the defense were the Provincial for the Augustinian Order and two Provincials of the Franciscan Order, but there was a range of supporters, including two musicians, a surgeon, a lawyer, a silversmith, the son and wife of an apothecary, and a free black woman named Margarida Pérez
>>18541171>The monarch sent a judge, Alonso de Muñoz, and to deal with the perceived threat to the colony. Muñoz "unleashed a reign of terror. Hundreds of Spanish settlers were arrested and tortured and scores beheaded." Muñoz was recalled to Spain and thrown into prison on arrival of the new viceroy, Don Gastón de Peralta, on 15 November 1567. The Martín Cortés brothers were spared death. The failed encomenderos' conspiracy and aftermath was the end of effective power of the group>On 7 January 1568, Don Martín El Mestizo was subjected to torture and was sentenced to indefinite exile in Spain. His torturer was reproached by King Philip II personally, sent back to Spain, and found dead in his room one day after having met with the king. After being exiled from his father's land and his birthplace, he joined the forces of Don Juan, who was Charles V's son, in the Rebellion of the Alpujarras sometime between 1569 and 1570. In 1574, the king offered condolences to the children of Hernán Cortés, and they were all exonerated of any wrongdoing. He never returned to Mexico. In 1569, he served under John of Austria against the Morisco revolt of the Alpujarras, where he was killed in action later into the year>Don Martín El Criollo, who had been spared beheading, was given leave in April 1567 to travel to Spain to plead their case before the King, with whom he had been friends since before his ascendance to the throne. Before he left New Spain, he had been required to swear allegiance to the crown and to present himself in Spain to the king within 50 days of his arrival. Don Martín was under house arrest briefly, but promising not to return to New Spain, he was released and resumed his profligate life in Madrid, funded by his vast wealth
>>18541161>I'm willing to bet 100,000 pesos that account is based in India.he's a cuban and lives in florida, i know him
>>18541161>some superstitious indio peasant in controlno pachamama today, tupaq
>>18541161>Muslims like Bukele aka all trash from the Old WorldBukele is Christian.>You just know LATAM would be kino if it's elites were mestizo or even better pure-blooded indio.Way too much self-hating. Remember that when several central American states were shooting up indigenous groups and committing various land cleansing and genocides that many of the people doing the killing and pushing for it often times had notable (Native) ancestry or were outright Native themselves who were hispanicized.
>>18541185Many are educated or have ties to various elite circles.
>>18541189Don't make me start a thread with a picture of 'the evil eye', Amaru
>>18541168Mr Macacinho, I was alleging the Caste system (in New Spain, and analogous systems did not exist as commonly thought off, not that it existed and you were denying it.It's a shame no one has dedicated their lives to pumping out a Braudel-esque work on race policy in the Iberian New World (and you know what, include France, as a treat; the Netherlands if you feel feisty).
>>18541206thought of*Damn automatisms.
>>18541193Sperging out on other people because they don't play into your race 'tism is anti-social.
>>18541174>Diego de Almagro II (1520 – September 16, 1542), called El Mozo (the boy), military and governor of Cuzco, was the Mestizo son of Spanish conquistador Diego de Almagro and Ana Martínez, a native Panamanian woman>After Pizarro's death, El Mozo was named governor by the conspirators in 1541 but after failing to be accepted as such he fled to Cuzco with his supporters. He was eventually defeated and captured on September 16, 1542 in the Battle of Chupas by the troops of Cristóbal Vaca de Castro, who had succeeded Pizarro as governor, El Mozo was executed at the city square after a brief trial>In the Royal Decree of 1514, the king authorized the legality of mixed marriages to promote evangelization, but Spaniards only married indigenous women from the elite or nobility, although they continued to have illegitimate children with native women and concubines, since, in many cases, they had their legitimate wives in the Iberian Peninsula. In the early days, illegitimacy and miscegenation became practically equivalent categories>In 1549, Charles I of Spain prohibited mulattoes, mestizos, and any illegitimate children from holding any municipal office, public position, or receiving land grants in the Americas>This purity of blood was an instrument of discrimination that guaranteed the right of legitimate children to inherit their parents' property and to obtain certain public or religious officesHispanists claim that the Caste System was invented by the Frogs during the Bourbon Reforms, which is absurd considering. Criollos already resented the Peninsulares in colonial times, even though they were genetically identical and the caste laws had not yet been imposed, and social mobility among the Mestizos, due to their increasing population, led the Criollos to fear competition/domination (Pardocracia) since they did not have the limitations of the Amerindians, the most of population.
>>18541161Latin America, if it's to be understood in any coherent way, is a mental condition independent of biology.And it's, fortunately, independent of the fairy-tale continent commonly mobilized by westerners to prove whatever point they are making.PS: Milei isn't an ethnic Jew, he is a larper, as is tradition.
>>18540771Letting Indians have opinions was a mistake In terms you might understand, your whole country, including the ‘Brahmins’ are ‘low caste’
>>18541227Well it's a mental disorder if seen in the Right-Wing Spic lens of perpetual self-deprecation and effacement. I'm sure Dussel or Ribeiro would find a way to praise, or even better, brutally dismantle the notion.
>>18541233That guy is also a Spic, spics hate themselves a bit. Spics are complicated people.
>>18541222>Pardocracia is a term that was used mainly in Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador and Gran Colombia, between the XVIII and XIX siglos to refer to a possible government of the caste of pardos that displaced white criollos. The expression originated due to the fear of the white elite for the successes derived from the slave rebellions and the independence of Haiti; many white people defined brown people as a «dangerous class»>Between 1790 and 1830, in the Caribbean, it expanded between the population of color and the ideals of equality and liberation arising from the French revolution and the successes of Haiti, many tried to act in accordance with these values. They sought to promote fights to achieve political change, which increased the fear of the white elite of a racial war and being replaced from political power by black and mixed-race people. The criollo elite would qualify the intentions of changing the population of color as the establishment of a pardocracia, the pardo term in part of Latin America had reference to people produced by the mestizaje between Indians, blacks, whites and descendants of these>The Venezuelan military and politician Simón Bolívar was one of the leaders who showed greater fear towards the pardocracia, in part of his correspondence, he expressed fear and contempt against the people of color, he feared that the brown people would rebel against the criollos and they would be displaced from power. In an 1825 letter from Bolívar to General Francisco de Paula Santander, the Libertador expressed his fear of the pardocracy:>«Legal equality is not enough for the spirit that exists in the pueblo, that wants there to be absolute equality, both in the public and in the domestic sphere; and then you want the pardocracy, which is your natural and unique inclination, to exterminate the privileged class.»
>>18541275>In another letter from Bolívar to General Santander from 1826, he again expresses his fear of pardocracia and criticizes the whites most open to the inclusion of the population of color in places of power:>«He fears the English to connect with them, and he doesn't fear the color revolution, because the pueblo is very absent […] my sister tells me that in Caracas there are three parties, monarchical, democratic and pardocratic […] demagogues (friends of Páez) suggest Napoleonic ideas […] these caballeros have been federalists first, after constitutionals and now napoleonics, I can no longer fall short of receiving anarchists, pardocrats or degolladores”.>Since the XVII century, in several Latin American countries, the term pardo has been used for all those people of mixed origin, including mulatos, mestizos, zambos, etc. This caste was considered inferior and excluded from public positions and military service, however, during the last few years they acquired more rights>Due to the process of mestizaje, the casta of pardos became part of the majority of the population, some pardos managed to reach a higher level of power and thanks to the Real Cédula de Gracias al Sacar de 1795, the pardos, prior to payment, could access the same rights as the whites, which generated the rejection of the Mantuanos>Between 1790 and 1811 in Venezuela, within the pardos a group called «beneficial pardos» emerged, whose people had a higher level of wealth and education, and some managed to achieve the title of «don». These groups of pardos are ready to try to achieve positions of power within politics and the army, as well as seeking to spread liberal ideas among the population. The increase in the population and economic and political power of pardls increased the fear of criollos, which made them classify them as a «dangerous class»
>>18541294>The Venezuelan elite (known as "mantuanos") constantly sought to limit the social mobility of mixed-race people (pardos) through legislation and attempted to reduce the power of those who had acquired greater rights. General Francisco de Miranda and his father, Sebastián de Miranda, were accused of being of mixed-race origin by the Venezuelan elite, who sought to remove them from their positions because of their humble origins>Various events, such as the French Revolution, the Haitian Revolution, and the rebellion of Black people in the Sierra de Coro, led by Black Jacobins like José Leonardo Chirino, increased the white elite's fear of the establishment of a mixed-race rule>At the beginning of the Venezuelan War of Independence, mixed-race people represented more than two-thirds of the total population. The white Criollo elite feared a repeat of the Haitian Revolution and opposed the abolition of slavery. General Francisco de Miranda proposed granting freedom to slaves who fought in the army, but this was rejected by the white patriots who saw it as a threat to their interests>The lack of concessions to the Black population led to the war becoming a racial conflict between 1811 and 1816, defined as a "war of colors." Many mestizos and slaves joined the royalist Spanish army to fight against the wealthy landowners, a factor that contributed to the fall of the first two republics in Venezuela>The Spanish royalist general José Tomás Boves assembled an army of Pardo, Amerindian and Black people called "Infernal Legion" under his command, which fought against the Criollo Republic. Among the soldiers, the slogan "War against the White exploiters of the Pardo and the Indian!" became common
>>18541336>The Venezuelan military and political leader Simón Bolívar tried to gain the support of the Black population. In 1816, he proclaimed the abolition of slavery (a promise he made to the first Haitian president, Alexandre Pétion, when he received political asylum in Haiti in 1815-1816) for those who joined the army, but few did so, as they saw Bolívar as just another member of the Criollo elite and not as a liberator. Bolívar made several attempts to abolish slavery and in various speeches expressed a positive view of racial mixing in Venezuela; however, he also displayed fear and antipathy toward the Black masses due to fears of race war and a Pardocracy>Part of the white Criollo elite still feared a race war; many believed that once the war against Spain ended, a war against the Indian and Pardo masses would begin.There were few high-ranking military officers; some, like the mestizo General Manuel Piar and the zambo Admiral José Prudencio Padilla, were executed on Bolívar's orders, and their trials made evident the fear of a race war and the establishment of a Pardo oligarchy>The execution of General Manuel Piar in 1817 reflected these fears. Piar was accused of rebellion and inciting a race war. His mixed-race status was constantly mentioned during the trial, as were his alleged intentions to incite the mixed-race population against the white population to provoke a race war—accusations denied by Piar himself>The day after his execution, Bolívar justified it in a proclamation, stating that it prevented not only "civil war, but also anarchy," which would lead to the loss of the liberty and equality that, according to Bolívar, had allowed the republic to eliminate "the odious differences of class and color."
>>18541359>In another proclamation published prior to Piar's arrest, Bolívar had declared:>“General Piar, with his senseless and abominable conspiracy, has only sought a fratricidal war in which cruel murderers would slaughter innocent children, frail women, and trembling old men, for the inevitable reason of having been born with a lighter or darker complexion. Venezuelans, are you not horrified by the bloody spectacle presented by Piar's nefarious plan? To call a crime a chance occurrence that cannot be erased or avoided. According to Piar, a face is a crime and carries with it the decree of life or death.” Thus, none would be innocent, since all have a color that cannot be erased to escape mutual persecution.">The executions ordered by Bolívar against mixed-race soldiers became a norm subsequently followed by various republican governments. Fears of insurrections by mixed-race people and slaves made the application of executions against those involved in rebellions or alleged rebellions commonplace, perpetuating the racial tensions inherited from the colonial era>After independence, with the disappearance of the caste system, the terms "Pardos" and "Pardocracy" fell into disuse, but the fear of the Pardo masses persisted among the white Criollo ruling elite. Prior to the abolition of slavery in Venezuela in 1854, slave and free Black revolts were frequent. In Caracas, some free Pardos encouraged the population to support the abolition of Slavery and to kill Whites>After the end of the Federal War, a period of racial peace ensued; however, many intellectuals and politicians influenced by Positivism, such as Lisandro Alvarado, José Gil Fortoul, Laureano Vallenilla Lanz, Rufino Blanco Fombona, Arturo Uslar Pietri, and others, continued to view the population of color as a problem for the country
never met any latinxos but they just come off as naturally dysfunctional and mentally ill
>>18541161>whining about a "da jooz!" boogeyman All while you bitch about Milei for being a jew
>>18541275>>18541294>>18541336>>18541359>>18541392Kinda insane just how right Bolivar was. All of his predictions came true when that baboon Chavez took power
>>18541467The first mestizo president of Venezuela was not Chavez, Bolivar's Zambo lover, but José Antonio Páez, who BTFO him.>Páez was a mestizo (mixed American Indian and European ancestry) llanero, one of the horsemen of the plains. Beginning as a ranch hand, he quickly acquired both land and cattle. In 1810 he joined the revolutionary movement against Spain as the leader of a band of llaneros. Becoming chief Venezuelan commander to Simón Bolívar, the liberator of northern South America, Páez and his men helped secure victories at Carabobo (1821) and Puerto Cabello (1823) that resulted in the complete withdrawal of the Spanish. In 1826, after rebelling against the authority of Gran Colombia, of which Venezuela was a province, Páez became the chief military and civil leader of his country. In 1827 he again recognized Bolívar as president of Gran Colombia, but two years later he led the movement that resulted in Venezuela’s becoming a sovereign nation
>>18541098Based. Bodied those faggots topkek
>>18541185Francisco Luna Kan, Benito Juarez, and Evo Morales, etc are remembered for making their countries or places better, although often in martyrdom as the perpetual state of resource extraction shitholeism pushes back against them.
>>18540771But the elites of Latin America were and are still the same castizos and criollos from the caste system days, only now they have even more help in the form of nouveau riche immigrants from Europe and the Levant.I guess you could argue that the issue is indeed racial, but ironically not in a >this country is le had because brown people are le dumb and cant into progress hahahaway and more in a>this country is bad because its elites are unambitious and more than glad to have their countries be eternal extraction colonies as they still view themselves as a higher caste and the Western World's colonial stewards whose job is keep shipping raw materials to the west and subjugating the poorfag indios blacks and mutts in exchange of money and vacations to Miamiway.
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