How do racial determinists cope with the fact that brown Portugal is far more historically relevant and accomplished than white countries of similar size like norway, sweden, austria, belgium and so on?
>>18542072>Albania 1Kek
>>18542072I care more about intellectual and cultural accomplishments than trade and exploration. But also the Portuguese are firmly a European population. Not close at all to any non-Europeans
1. Portugal isn't brown.2. The racist argument (which you should know if you have thought about and researched this issue in the slightest bit of detail) is that the people of the race is what is important.Apart from more individualistic attempts to identify the racial background of inventors, scientists and other innovators, there is also a collective argument.This collective argument looks at the historical activity of whole populations. So while Sweden, Denmark and Norway may not have accomplished all that much, the Norse population that lived in that are had a truly massive and incredibly disproportionate effect on the world. The Norse played a pivotal role in the state formation of Russia, as the Rus. They raided, traded and served as far down as the Arabic countries. The Varangians played a crucial role in the history of Southeastern Europe (the famed Hardrada, most well-known for his attempt to claim the English throne, actually destroyed my country while he was a Varangian). The Normans were similarly important, and had immense impact all over Europe. Apart from their settling of Normandy, they ruled lands in southern Italy and also conquered England, which eventually became the British Empire. Then of course there's the Germans.Even Iberia itself was at one time ruled by the Nordic Visigoths. If we extend our timeline that far back, the scope of influence of the Nordic population becomes even larger.I think to speak of determinism is to go too far, it is an extreme oversimplification to reduce race to only its biological component. But the Nordic people have definitely accomplished much historically. What is more anomalous has been the loss of their adventurous spirit in recent times, something that also applies to the Dutch and the most recently the English, who some time ago were among the boldest and most active peoples.
>>18542072Modern day Portugal is borderline third world even after having one of the largest and wealthiest empires in history and the Scandinavians turned shitty frozen wastelands into some of the most desirable places to live on Earth. So I suppose they would believe it proves them right, that race and IQ are pretty much all that matters regarding success of a country.
>>18542523>I care more about intellectual and cultural accomplishments than trade and explorationVasco de Gama and Magellan mogs your random guy who discovered why piss was yellow and had a far greater impact on world history, sorry. Sound like you're just estavlishing arbitrary hierarchy just to unjustly deny a people its merits. Btw the Portuguese explored so much of the world because they, as far as naval engineering os concerned, much more advanced than whites were.>Portuguese are firmly a European populationThey're europeans, but they are obviously not white. People who looked like picrel have historically mogged white looking northern europeans>>18542541Not replying to all that>Even Iberia itself was at one time ruled by the Nordic VisigothsThey weren't nordics when they arrived in iberia and it famously ended with them being raped to extinction by arabs lol >>18542581>Believing that colonial empire actually make you wealthyYou failed the most basic test about history congrats. One of the very reason Portugal is poor by western european standards is because they wasted a lot of money trying to keep their empire together.And also why couldn't superior scandinavians not build an empire? Norway and Denmark border the Atlantic too, nothing was stopping them. Scandinavia was dirtpoor until like a century ago.
>>18542657>They weren't nordicscope >it famously ended with them being raped to extinction by arabs loland arabs got raped to extinction by turks, kurds and mongols, so i guess that means they were never influential or displayed any noteworthy traits?
>>18542691>copeVisigoth sample are central european mutts, far from beong nordics?>and arabs got raped to extinction by turks, kurds and mongols, so i guess that means they were never influential or displayed any noteworthy traits?As far as Spain and Portugal are concerned the Visigoths have left nothing.
>>18542714>As far as Spain and Portugal are concerned the Visigoths have left nothing.bro doesn't know how history works?
>>18542072WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>18542072Sweden gave the world dynamite, pacemakers, and bluetoothPortugal gave the world...Brazil
>>18542072medjeet drivel
Itt Arabs, mexicans, and jeets pretend to be Europeans without convincing anyone for the thousandth time.
>>18542657Don't care to argue "white" semantics. Iberians are firmly European, the same way Carlsen is firmly Norwegian. Spaniards are far more like Germans or Swedes than any non-European group. And you agree with that, which is good.
>>18542072ok but your country, be it lebanon, algeria, albania, or india are complete shitholes with 1% the relevance of any west euro state
>>18542928No cherry picking how blatantly dishonest it mught be will convince anyone that Sweden has 1/10th of the historical relevance of Portugal.>>18542992They look brown and you were the first trying to demean their accomplishment by reducing them to exploration and trade all while pretending that somehow those weren't counting as much as others for mystical reasons. This is the ultimate proof that they are viewed differently, because upon being presented in front of the evidence that brown people performed better than white ones your first reaction was to cope and claim that their achievements didn't really count.PS : Camoes and Pessoa are bigger deals in litterature than any writers from the countries I mentionned in the OP.
>>18543125So why aren't other browns consistently 'mogging' the n*rdoids as well? And why did portugal fall off so hilariously badly
>>18543129REEEEE because of colonialism 150 years ago you evil colonizer chud
>>18543129Browns aren't a monolithic group. A brown from portugal isn't like a MENA or a jeet brown>And why did portugal fall off so hilariously badlyEmpire rise and fall, look at what is happening to Britain right now
>>18543011Not exactly, for example a ton of the generics and medicine precursor used in the EU are from India. Which is leading to a sort of controversy coming up because even if they medicine is cheaper and equally as effective, off shoring the basic components of any pharmaceutical industry to a third party is gonna cause problems down the line.Same with importing renewable and carbon energy from Africa.
>>18542691What were the noteworthy traits of the visigoths? being a bunch of illiterate retarded barbarians who stole other people shit? They literally left nothing in Spain
>>18543125Iberians looks European. There's outliers of course, but on the whole they look entirely European. Because they are European. Most castizos look European, never mind full blooded Iberians.As for the accomplishment stuff, I'm just autistic and like to address everything. I am more impressed by people like Galileo and Vivaldi, or Guass and Newton, than by explorers. I'm not familiar enough with literature to comment.
>>18542657>One of the very reason Portugal is poor by western european standards is because they wasted a lot of money trying to keep their empire together.It's becauae Salazar was obssed woth with trad larping amd the xolonies were used as resource extraction depots with extremely abused labour and some of the worst people in Portugal operating or working in those places. Even during the post 1920s years Portugal was still just doing effectively nothing whioe dumping it's poors into Africa and the rest of Europe as a population vent .
>>18543148>We are the good browns senor >>18542943
>>18542072the Portugese were of Nordic extraction at that time
>>18542920>ethnostates for everyone long term, down to indigenous reservesi actually see nothing wrong with this, why would people fight against it?
>>18543599they could be mutts or deracinated second gen immigrants
>>18543599Who'd actually go to it or invest in it? Like the masaive amounts of upheaval and violence to enforce it would pretty much render a state doing it as squarely in ahithole territory. Like even in Apartheid SA in well off business and finance sectors it still was pretty shitholey for any foreigner working there as a transplant kr expat.
>>18543263>Iberians looks EuropeanNorthern europeans largely consider Iberians to be brown>I am more impressed by people like Galileo and Vivaldi, or Guass and NewtonYou're making arbitrary comparison between things that aren't comparable
>>18543608>Like the masaive amounts of upheaval and violence to enforce itutter nonsense>declare ethnostate>decide people of foreign ethnicities will be taxed 90% of their income should they stay>most of them leave voluntarily because they're incentivized to do so, the dwindling few who remain will lack the privileges or comfort afforded to nativesthere are a lot of potential ways to go about it with minimal violence. you're jumping to extremes because you want the prospect of ethnic territorialization to seem impractical
>>18543627>utter nonsenseYou think you can mass jail and deported people without uproar and people fighting back?>decide people of foreign ethnicities will be taxed 90% of their income should they staySo now you taxed anyone who has foreign ancestry and gutted your own tax base for some purity slop. >there are a lot of potential ways to go about it with minimal violenceLmao there was always heavy violence, trying to say you can do it minimally is ahistorical BS. >you're jumping to extremes because you want the prospect of ethnic territorialization to seem impracticalLike cmon read a book at least you are on a history board. Everyone aingle forced population movement always employed violence, threats and thr act of theft to back it up.
Portugal only exists by the grace of England
>>18543655England was little more than a French colony when Portugal was born
>>18543661And Portugal was a nafri brothel when England became a French colony
>>18543663Factually wrong, there were very few north africans and they were only used as cannon fodders or slaves. Most of the muslims were Iberian themselves and they treated africans like dogs.Besides, right now, in 2026, Britain is being used as a brothel by Pakis so it's not a very smart retort. According to the latest inquiry, 250K british underage girls were sexually exploited by Pakis.
>>18543619>Northern europeans largely consider Iberians to be brownmaybe they do, but that doesn't mean they're not very European looking.
>>18543747It literally mean they aren't European looking by northern standards
>>18542331What is the qualification for notable people?Why did you pick the particular country, did you except a small country like Albania who was under foreign rule for centuries to be on top, or solve all the problems of the world?Do notable people living outside the country count, there were a lot of notable people of Albanian origin in the Ottoman empire at the period for example
>>18542072nordicism is an overrated concepti prefer northwest atlantic supremacy
>>18543924>by northern standardsYou had to qualify the statement with this of course. I guess we're in a pedantic argument of precision etc. They look European, just maybe not "white" *according to some people's definition of "white."* Precise enough?
>>18543959>MurrayJewish supremacy would be the thing you're looking for, since that Jews are by far the most accomplished people per capita far ahead of the second is the core of Murray thesis
>>18543996jews beat meds and nords and makes them seethe to this day
>>18543953>Do notable people living outside the country count,Probably not, because if you remove Jews from the accomplishments of most Western countries, all that would remain would be peasants with the average score of Balkanoids.
>>18543959vgh Franko-Angloreich
>>18544007It's the HRE + England. Don't forget about the glorious North & Central Italy.
>>18544151>HRE + EnglandJust say jews bro
>>18543677raped by nafris and continues to cope. sad!
>>18544313Projecting your own misery on other isn't sane bro
>>18544318>sees what happened in bongistan>spanish PM immediately grants spanish citizenship to 500k muslimsbased and francopilled
I want every Southern European to read this thread very closely and reconsider white nationalism and other similar ideologies.
>>18544329based
>>18544329What I'm mostly seeing is people defending Portuguese as fellow white Europeans
>>18544329>>18544343The real elephant in the room is that nordjeets have always argued that Saamis, Uraloids, and even Siberian Turks are "white-ish" or at least racially agreeable when talk of said admixture is brought up. Yet is always supposed to be a source of shame for Greeks to be similar to Turks in appearance. That triple standard needs to end.
>>18543263>they look europeanwhat...? sorry, literally what?
>>18543263
>>18543263are the europeans in the room with us?
>>18543263how about now?
>>18543263how about some of the "new" portuguese, i.e. immigrants from latin america and north africa, as if natives weren't swarthy as fuck already?
how about some north italians? i'm still looking for that meme of march on rome protesters looking browner than the immigrants and being memed about it on twitter
here are your fascist white italians, bro>Hitler viewed Southern Italians as racially inferior. He believed centuries of race-mixing (often attributing it to the introduction of "Negroid" or African blood) caused the cultural and physical decline of the Roman Empire. He strictly contrasted them with Northern Italians, whom he considered to be Aryan.Core Views & Actions:Blood Mixing: During his first meeting with Benito Mussolini, Hitler directly claimed that the intermingling of Northern and Southern Italians caused the collapse of Rome.
here are the "based" north italians you asked for>w-wait why are they holding an antifa flag>why are they brown?
>>18542072Now do 1850-2026. And this doesn't mean much unless "notable figure" is expanded on. Some explorer being a notable figure doesn't mean much, and it means even less so once you consider most European nations were between empires that didn't even have functional institutions, and there was nothing they could've done about it, example - Estonia. Nothing you can do when you are a part of the Russian Empire and there are no educational reforms, and there is a feudal system well into the end of this list.
>>18544521>Portugal setting the age of european colonialism and exploration don't matterOk bro>Muh Dem Russians been keepin us down n shieetHow are butthurt belters any better than negroes? It's not like you were doing great before the Russians either too.
>>18544544It doesn't. It was suitable for them due to geography. It's not not like their inventions allowed them to do this, either. And now for the most important part: those Portuguese men are long gone. That's the result of colonialism. Their gene-pool became even more polluted than it was prior to that. A modern Portuguese wouldn't have much in common with them genetically.
>>18544544We are significantly more successful than Portugal now, lol. And we have made a lot of contributions to science despite our small size. Whereas Portugal will cling on to what happened hundreds years ago, by completely different men.>Estonia’s GDP per capita is approximately $38,633 >Portugal's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita stands at approximately $35,434
>>18544594>Their gene-pool became even more polluted than it was prior to that. A modern Portuguese wouldn't have much in common with them geneticallyAre you retarded?>>18544596>we have made a lot of contributions to science despite our small size.Such as? Why are you downplaying the maaive naval innovations and navigational discoveries and feats during the age of exploration?
>>18544596Because tens of thousands of you enter western european countries, work there for a decade, and then send all the money back to estonia. Same thing polacks do. You're yet another nations of parasites and little else. You haven't and never will achieve anything even close to the greatness of the brown portuguese race.
>>18542072Portugal is a European nation, populated with European people. It's always Americans and other post-colonial societies who keep bringing up whiteness and their twisted meaning of the word to the board, which makes it ridiculous when they apply their racial delusions to a country like Portugal who has done more for Europe and “whiteness” than 90% of the continent combined
>>18544603All eastern europeans are massively insecure
>>18544594>>18544596you are German farming equipment and raped victims of Russia and Sweden with chink admixture, while Portugal is one of the greatest nations in the history of the world
>>18544615There are americans on this board that are against the idea of a unified white race as well, it seems to be an idea liked most by slavs
>>18544521Why is op required to do it within that period?
>>18542072Portugal was only relevant because of colonialism, which was introduced to them by the British and their alliance with Great Britain along with the geographical position allowed them to capitalize on it. They are, presently, a brown, non-European country poorer than Eastern European shitholes recovering from communism like Slovenia.
>>18544615Bringing a bunch of south american macacos and north africans to Europe by giving them citizenship so your GDP can keep growing isn't exactly doing much for Europe.
>>18542072entering this thread to post this and trigger moorberians, then leaving
>>18544673>which was introduced to them by the BritishPortugal was the first colonial country, starting all the way in 1415 mate
>>18544675contrary to the basement dwellers here the spanish government recognises the shared heritage of iberia and north africa by granting citizenship to nafris
>>18542072by looking at recent history once the browns started becoming the majority in shitaly, poortugal and s-painthere's nothing to cope about, rather an effort to stop the same from happening in our countries
>>18544492i actually went to portugal and (while i haven't traveled to greece) i'd say it's even more brown than greece. definitely the brownest country in all of europe, or at least sharing that spot with greece, but once you factor in all the latinos and nafris, it easily beats even greece
>>18544717North and Central Greeks are definitely lighter-featured than the Portuguese. It's clear and noticeable.
>>18542072>accomplishedAccomplished how? They're significantly poorer than any of those countries you just mentioned...
>>18544594>It's not not like their inventions allowed them to do thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravel>>18544596No you aren't having a marginally higher gdp per capita don't mean shit. Portuguese as a whole live in a much nicer country and don't spend their day tightening their asses fearing that Russia might rape them.
>>18544761By that metric, gulf arabs are superior to most whitoids.>muh oilYeah how do you think norway got rich
>>18544673>Portugal was only relevant because of colonialism, which was introduced to them by the British and their alliance with Great Britain along with the geographical position allowed them to capitalize on it.How are you on /his/ while being this much of an illiterate retard lol
>>18544728That's due to Slavic admixture.Inchallah the Greeks will enact an eugenic program to get rid of this subhuman blood and regain all the glorious swarthiness of their prestigious ancestors
>>18544618For real I made this thread to throw shit at westoids, I don't care about balt butthurt belters
>>18544773>Before discovering North Sea oil in 1969, Norway was not an impoverished nation. It was already a prosperous, stable Western European democracy with a strong egalitarian society. Its wealth was built on four major industries: shipping, fishing, timber, and hydropower.
>>18544800Nice AI. Scandinavia being wealthy is a very recent phenomenon
>>18542072"Historical relevance" is not a very precise metric to judge a particular country. Portugal obviously played a huge role in early European exploration and colonial expansion. But it notably failed to covert the wealth that its empire brought in into long term growth. By the 19th century, it was one of the poorest, most underdeveloped independent countries in Europe. So there's that. If you wanted to go down the racial determinism route, you'd probably point to an insufficient level of northern European individualistic tendencies in Iberian populations to give rise to the kind of free trade capitalist culture you had in, for example, England and the Netherlands. But like with all racial determinist thinking, its basically impossible to prove that cultural trends are directly derived from some innately "racial" trait.
>>18542072This thread may be the most race autism I've seen in weeks. >Portugal is far more historically relevant and accomplished than white countries of similar size brazil
>>18544823Cope, seethe and dilate.
>>18544006Delusional faggot
>>18542072moors are not european
>>18542072portugal was at one point somewhat whitesoon as the brown horde from mena and latin america took over it was ggnow they have a lower gdp per capita than lithuania, estonia, slovenia, czech republic, and in less than half a decade will become poorer than poland and croatia toothey produce nothing of value and haven't for the last 2 centuries
>>18545151According to /pol/ Jews did everything, modern economy, banking, media, infrastructure, wars, colonianism, politics, science, medicine etc. Itmeans without them Western europe would be Sub Saharan Africa tier
>>18542072The only thing this chart proves is that Calvanism is the way to go.
>>18542072I guarantee it's a macaco behind this post. None of us have any national pride left for this shithole precisely because of people like OP. They fly from their South American shithole and think they're one of us. Fuck you
>>18545071Go back 1000 years and the nordics become poorer
