>Charlemagne>control the entirety of remaining Latin land>Franks have Roman feudatory status and have been integrated with the pre-fall military for centuries>so a remnant of the Roman military rebuilds the remainder of the ethnically Roman part of the empire>use Latin as written language and encourage spread and revival>ruler of Rome (the city) and the Roman people acknowledge him as ruler>not Roman>Eastern Romans (pre-11th century)>heartland in Anatolia (Romania)>non-latin language>state continuity and caesarship>same state religion as Rome>eventually lose entire heartland to “Sultans of Rome” (turks)>Greeks (post 11th century)>no longer rule “Romania”>separate religion from Rome (schism)>only claim is legal claim to Caesar/Augustus title and control of Constantinople>true Romans in spite of linguistic and religious differences>Turks post-1453>rule entirety of “Romania” including Greece>rule from Constantinople>claim Caesarhood>Ecumenical patriarch acknowledges Caesarhood>Orthodox Church acknowledges Islam as valid>ultimately reconquer and expand on the whole of Eastern Roman territory>somehow not Romans in spite of legal continuity of Caesarhood, ruling from Constantinople, and ruling all of “Romania”>speaking some Turkish is a barrier to Romanness but speaking Greek or Isaurian is not>practicing Islam (a religion separate from Rome itself or ancestral hellenic religion) is an insurmountable barrier but being in permanent schism from Rome and ethnically hating Latins is not a barrier when Greeks do itGreeks are obviously pretty historically integrated into the Roman fold, but a lot of their arguments about being the sole “true Romans” as compared to the Latin west can be applied to Turks.>Bisop of Rome grants muslims a temporary closet to pray in>Latin Church is heretical because of it>Eastern Churches acknowledge Islam as valid and the Caesars (Ottomans) until the fucking 1900s>not heretical
I honestly have no opinion on this I just roll my eyes when I see these greeks or ethnics in the US act like the modern greek orthodox church or modern greeks have a claim as true romans but the 9th century latins do not. They treat it like a live issue and act like the past 600 years never happened.
To make one final point. Justinian spoke Latin and wrote the corpus iuris civilis in Latin. Not Greek. And I say this with immense respect for hellenic culture, and the ability to read both Latin and ancient Greek.
>>18543945If anything, Greeks aspiring to be 2nd tier Romans show how nonwhite and raped they have always been
