We got new samples of Sassanids. They were more steppe-shifted (~30%). I think the Nordicists are right for ancient Iran and India.
AYOWhere did they go then?
I just post nordicist stuff to make brownoids seethe. Even Taleb became just insufferable in his bitching and moaning about it. That stuff like this keeps happening is totally unexpected, for my part.
>>18544551I'm not aware of which article these samples come from, could you refresh my memory? Also, if they are indeed Persian samples, this refutes that archaic article by the recent Amjadi et al. paper that supposedly doesn't find much support for large-scale steppe migration into Iran. But their sampling is pretty much restricted to the Alborz Mountains, still the Iranian region with the lowest steppe ancestry, without any sampling of the Central Iranian plateau, which is where proponents of the Steppe Hypothesis tend to locate the Iron Age arrival of Iranian speakers (Stöllner et al. 2023)30% is relatively high in this case, especially considering the other samples from Iran.. We have some archaeological evidence of the presence of Andronovo in Iran at the Estark-Joshaqan site, with similarities to the Andronovo group of Central Asia. There are also preliminary studies from Javad Hosseinzadeh showing that traces of the Andronovo culture are not only in Estark-Joshaqan. They also appear in Saram and Qoli Darvish, on the Iranian plateau. So samples from the Bronze Age would be extremely useful and interesting!https://www.academia.edu/45621522/Tappeh_Sialk_the_Glory_of_Ancient_Kashan_London_2019_edited_by_J_Nokandeh_J_E_Curtis_and_M_Pic_Maybe, there was indeed movement/contact between populations of Central Asia and Iran in the 2nd millennium BC, but all the onomastic and lexical material from or about Iran before 881 BC is non-persian, So perhaps the populations that were ancestors of the Persians, or what would become Persians, were more steppe-shifted.
>>18544648How anyone takes that wog seriously after his Covid histrionics is beyond me
>>18544551What am I looking at here?Since you modeled with Yamnaya, their Proto-Indo-Iranian admix is even higher>>18544674Goddamn you are so fucking stupid. Jump off a cliff retard. Iranian languages are not autochthonous. No matter what you do or say, White, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryans are the reason Indo-Iranian languages came into existence. Why does this make you seethe so much?
>>18544551Not even a comment if there are signs of consanguinityYou people are really boring.
>>18544551This is larping someone else's history. First of all, these samples are simulated. They is not legitimate and According to real studies, they found NO steppe ancestry in Iran. zero.I read the article by Amjadi et al (2025) which is scientific and peer-reviewed and states that Bronze Age steppe ancestery was relativeli smal in northern Iran. Sintashta and Andronovo were not Iranian and are irrelevant to this. It was not the source of Iran and India. Zero archaeological evidence and zero genetic evidence. >>18544685No. Medievel Iranians had no steppe ancestry. R1b is very rare in India and Iran. R1a had an expansion event around 600 BCE in Indian subcontinent according to DATES. L657 is still absent in steppe dna till to this day... The steppe interaction should also trace from lactase persistence graph in india which came from steppe ( which is after 750 bce) Kerdoncuff et al. shows that lactase persistence (LP) in modern Indians is driven by Steppes ancestry.
>>18544694>Medievel Iranians had no steppe ancestry.Then those Iranians do not descend from the people who brought the Iranian languages
>>18544685>Since you modeled with Yamnaya, their Proto-Indo-Iranian admix is even higherI'm not the OP, but I also found it strange that the OP modeled them with Steppe_EBA instead of Steppe_MLBA.>>18544694ESLThey is not legitimate and According to >real studies, they found NO steppe ancestry in Iran. zero.I already discussed this with you before, and you insulted me and were extremely aggressive. I'm not going to waste my time with you. >Amjadi et alAlthough this study is the "holy grail" of modern Iranians and Indians, it was a very low-quality study, and their sampling is pretty much restricted to the Alborz Mountains, but that didn't stop the authors from reaching conclusions such as "3000 years of continuity".>Zero archaeological evidence and zero genetic evidence.I presented archaeological evidence of a possible presence of steppes in the region as early as the second millennium. These "invalid" articles are by the same serious authors (Hosseinzadeh) that you said did not exist. I will not bother continuing this conversation if you are going to ignore the information I have already cited and for which I have already provided links>>18544654
>>18544674>Sintashta and Andronovo were not Iranian and are irrelevant to this. It was not the source of Iran and India.No, it was. There's no other choice. Indian and Iranian languages came from the same source. The most you can try is to say Iranian is derived from Fatyanovo but not Sintashta specifically but all that does is push their common origin further back. I don't believe you have any reason to be skeptical of Sintashta
>>18544698Indo-Iranians were a native population related to local CHG-IRAN also in the steppe: >Integration of ancient DNA with stable-isotope analysis captures multigenerational dynamics, identifying the Zagros mountains as the likely recent origin of Caucasus/Yamnaya-related ancestry.There was no Sintashta ancestry in Iran into the Achaemenid era (500 BCE). They had been speaking IE for at least a millennium by then.>>18544705This doesn't prove any magical migration from the steppes, just as they prove a massive migration from the steppes to Iran? It wasn't the Indo-Europeans who invented the chariot (battle wagon), but the Sumerians.
>>18544712do Kurds really believe this
>>18544716Iranian Plateau/Zagros-CHG homeland for Indo-Iranian backed by genetics; Amjadi 2025: 3000yr N.Iran continuity, local Iran_N, minimal Steppe; Narasimhan 2019: BMAC core Iranian Plateau, late Steppe outliers; Heggarty 2023 - CHG/Iran ancestry spread N from Zagros as key IE tracer.
>>18544712>Indo-Iranians were a native populationNo, they fucking weren't. Iranian languages ultimately come from Fatyanovo and Corded Ware. The most closely related language families to Iranian are Indo-Aryan and Balto-Slavic. This is the Satem group. Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian make one big subclade.If you cannot find Sintashta admix in Iranians, then you simply haven't found the descendants of the people who transmitted the Iranian languages to the locals. This is the only steppe source which can be responsible as shown by the admixture in Indo-Aryans.
>>18544712>magical migration from the steppesTake your meds and go to >>>/x/Indo-European languages did not magically spawn into existence in your homeland. They were brought to you. It's time to stop coping.
>>18544726No>>18544720Sintashta clade is Z2124. Which is almost absent in Iran and india Even in 1300-600. Steppe Y-dna is less than 5% and female mediated..Ancient Iranic Samples have no Steppe Ancestry.
>>18544734>>18544720>Amjadi 2025You keep clinging to this extremely low-quality article as if it were a revealed dogma. The article had a terrible sampling, restricted to the Alborz Mountains and other things that make this article bad. even *if* it were a decent article, according to this they had steppe ancestry>>18544551 So why do you keep regurgitating arguments from the backrooms of resentful groups?
>>18544734>Sintashta clade is Z2124.How are you so dumb? Holy shit. We do not have enough Sintashta samples to say Indo-Iranian R1a is not Sintashta. Ocam's razor says it is. It came from Europe anyway.These people had a whole fucking society on the steppes and only a handful have been sampled. Your disbelief that the R1a in India and Iran could come from them is absolutely incredible. You've gotta be about 90 IQ to think like this.
>>18544745>>18544741Sintashta admixture is absentIranians have less than 5-6% Sintashta/Andronovo clade. Iran has older clades of R1b/A Since before 2000 BC.Steppe Ancestry is too low in Iran. Average would be less than 10-15% which is later.Even 400 BC samples didn't have steppe
>>18544648truthnuke, i honestly like adding "nordic" to any ancient population, saying "nordic romans" or "nordic greeks" makes a lot of people seethe
>>18544751this model doesn't even use sintashta or anything similar, completely useless to see if they have sintashta or not
>>18544759The "study" he refers to is of low quality. besides, I only just noticed that he cited Heggarty...that nonsense about Indo-Europeans being Neolithic farmers in 6000 BC
>>18544764>>18544759Why you don't know how Ancestry proportions work, then stay away from discussions Recent reports are clear. Steppe is absent in early Iran to later periods. Its over.>(n=1) lol lol lol lol
>>18544766You've won me over with your irritation and schizophrenia; there's no debating with you. For the last time Look:>>18544654They found little or no Sintashta ancestry in extremely limited samples from western Iran, their sampling is pretty much restricted to the Alborz, a region that also currently exhibits low steppe ancestry, without *any* sampling of the Central Iranian plateau.the methodology was flawed and produced misleading results. Furthermore, steppe ancestry was present in Bronze Age groups from Central-South Asia, as far south as Tajikistan. You changed the subject repeatedlyfirst it was about the supposed lack of "archaeological evidence," and when you were contradicted, you clung to this article like a fanatic of a cult.
>>18544766you don't know how admixture works, if you don't use sintashta no one is going to appear as having any sintashtaclaiming that iron age iranians didn't have steppe is ludicrous, modern iranians do, so how did they get it? did it just suddenly show up in their genome randomly?
>>18544551IDs??
>>18544574To Wales.
>>18544898Its fake
>>18544766>>18544804Claiming modern Iranians have more steppe than ancient Iranians really is insanity. At least with Greeks this is plausible because Greece was known to be invaded by Slavs, but there is nothing that could possibly cause such an introgression for Iranians. Steppe ancestry obviously can only have declined in Iran, the only question is what was the peak and over what timeframe did it decline
I remembered something there's a set of samples related to the Akbari 2026 data, and we have some samples with high steppe cataloged as "iran_C_BA steppe" Obviously, we don't know anything about the samples in the set because without archaeological context we can only speculate, but they are interesting. Any thoughtsI12122.AG
>>18544900Based
>NOOOO WHITE PEOPLE GOT LUCKY YOU ARENT SUPERIOR RACElolEveryday we see more evidence Ancient Nords founded every great civilization.What do we expect?Tall and handsome warlike race.
>>18544551tldr
>>18544930Iranians are ashamed of their past just like Indians so it should not surprise us if their archaeogeneticists are corrupt enough to cover up samples like Indians.
>>18544654These samples are part of Harvard's 10,000 ancient samples that were released this year.The coverage and dates are listed, those wouldn't make sense for simulated coordinates.Look up Ajeje Brazorf's undated, they're there. They have a date and coverage, though, but no metadata because Harvard released the samples but not where they're from. They've just been grouped as such because of likeness to modern samples.Here is the source: https://sites.google.com/view/gm3302/treesmapsdata/data-global-25
>>18544900Kek. ALL these MENA-Med Abrahamic fags are nothing but wewuzzers (including the modern Kikes wewuzzing as ancient Israelites) calling others wewuzzers.
>>18546514ID?
