>America's role in WWI was unjust>America took the right lesson from it and attempted to avoid war during the interwar years>America's role in WWII was just>America took the wrong lesson from it and engaged in numerous wars of aggression up to present dayIs it weird that WWI retroactively feels like a more just war in that it's lessons were more positive?Like I think of the Meuse–Argonne Offensive, still bigger than any American battle of WWII, and I think about how those men fought and died to end a bloody war and teach the nation that war is bad, while in WWII we fought against actually evil bastards who had to be dealt with, it misled the country into believing that war is a just crusade and led to a century of forever wars and military interventionism.
Also, it's this reason I think we should consider changing Veteran's Day back to Armistice Day.
>>18544893>those men fought for x or yWeren't the vast majority drafted?
>>18544927For =/= because
>>18544893I think this argument overlooks how WW1 in a way, played a role in promoting interventionism, especially at the onset of WW2. Remember America's refusal to join the League of Nations?The Cold War is what set the stage for total interventionism.
>>18545010>WW1 in a way, played a role in promoting interventionismI'm not sure what you mean. Could you please elaborate?WWI only didn't result in a lasting peace because of the uniquely childish mentality of the German people, wherein they believed that you only lose a war when the enemy conquers your territory in a fight and blows up your capital. They believed that, regardless of strategy, or materiel or manpower, war could be won so long as you still had territory. As such they believed they never truly lost WWI, which led to WWII.Ironically America's obsession with WWII as the picturesque war has caused many to adopt the German's warped perspective on war. You'll get people who insist we didn't truly lose in Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq; we just got bored and left! Because Vietnam didn't invade and conquer California, to them that means we didn't REALLY lose the Vietnam war.That isn't a fault to WWI; the majority of wars should end when one side is strategically incapable of winning. It's a fault to the German people's mentality on war, and many Americans adopting that mentality after WWII sorta proves my original point.
>>18544893>WWI - America has no moral or objective reason to engage >the pro war president puts the propaganda machine to work and they use the sinking of a British ship (which was smuggling weapons in a warzone) to whip the public into a frenzy >WWII - America has no moral or objective reason to engage>the pro war president uses economic warfare against Japan and engages in an undeclared war on the seas against Germany to force their hand and strike first Neither one was just in any way. And America only disengaged after WW1 because the warmongering president got a stroke and was out of action at the end of his term.
Are we going to ignore the zimmerman telegram, or unrestricted submarine warfare?
>>18545050>it’s was Germany’s faultNo, it was the fault of Versailles and Poland who created multiple wars from 1919-1933 not even mentioning the problems they created for Germany.No state would have tolerated what Germany did and Germany did everything to avoid war.Poland DESERVED to be conquered, fake country that unironically believed they could 2v1 the Soviets and Germany.Such belligerent people have to be allowed to die.
>>18545149Yes we are because neither of these are worth 300,000 casualties.
>>18545163Congress declare war because of that,and it was good policy as the US would have lost hundreds of millions in loan defaults if the allies lost
>>18545219Nope. It was a terrible idea because it was far too costly in American lives.No amount of money is worth losing even one American over.You’re not American so you don’t value human life like we do. Your people genuinely do have a price tag, ours don’t, orc.
>>18545226Your feelings have nothing to do with the facts on the ground, the war needed an ending and american troops were required.
>>18545241>Americans had to die because I said soNo. They didn’t. The facts do not care about your feelings. America was not in imminent danger therefore America did not need to fight.>uhhh fite them over there so we don’t fight them over hereOk boomer well we’re fighting them over here anyway.Did the Zimmerman telegram get sent thrice?? How do we exterminate these browns flooding over the border?
>>18545160>and Germany did everything to avoid warKekw no they didnt. Willy the Autist dindo shit to deescalate on the Balkans, on the Fleet rivalry with Britain or to reduce the fear of an imperialistic german superpower. In 1916 when germany proposed a peace deal they werent even willing to propose status quo ante bellum, meaning Belgium would stay under german control. Willy never realized how unnatural and unstable hus situation as german emporer actually was.
>>18545149>zimmerman telegramNothingburger.>unrestricted submarine warfareBritain's fault for disguising their blockade ships as civilian vessels. We would've had as much moral right declaring war on Britain as we did on Germany, especially since they knowingly let the Lusitania get sunk and loaded her with contraband ammunition so she sank faster.>>18545160>Germany did everything to avoid war.>Poland DESERVED to be conqueredlmaorofl>>18545498He's referring to WWII lol
>>185454981. Serbia deserved to be invaded for harboring terrorists and doing nothing to apprehend them. 2. America was building its fleet at a similar rate that Germany was and Britain did nothing but bend over backwards to appease them. 3. Neither side was willing to accept a white peace when they still thought they could win.
>>18545626unrestricted submarine warfare was the Germans saying they will sink any American ship approaching England, that is a clear and present threat to the USA>Britain's fault for disguising their blockade ships as civilian vessels. That was german submarines surfacing to use their deck gun on a small fish
>>18546216At the point Brits started flying false flags and disguising their naval vessels as civilian, the Germans were boarding ships to inspect for contraband rather than sinking them without checking.They began sinking them without boarding after the Brits began luring them in close for boarding only to lower the false flag, raise the Royal colors and blast them on the surface at close range.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_U-36#Fatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_UB-4#Sinkinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baralong_incidentsThe Brits literally used the United States ensign for their false flag in the Baralong incident.>unrestricted submarine warfare was the Germans saying they will sink any American ship approaching England, that is a clear and present threat to the USAAnd they were doing it because of the British using the U.S. flag to lure in subs abiding by customary naval law only to blast them at close range.It was as much Britain's fault as Germany's that our shits were being sunk. We could have pressured Britain to stop disguising their naval vessels as neutral shipping in order to have Germany stop sinking neutral shipping.
>>18546244our ships*
>>18546244>Before U-27 came round Nicosian's bow, Baralong hauled down the American flag, hoisted the Royal Navy's White Ensign, and unmasked her guns.I know its Not good enough for moralfags like you, but well within the rules of war
>>18545498Mate, this is what an American education gets you? A retrospective on Wilhelms all encompassing power over Germany. Retard. If Austria hadn’t waited a month to move into Serbia, then it would have remained a local war, which everyone on the continent and in Britain would approve of. If you had ever read the telegrams between Wilhelm and Nicholas you would know that neither Germany nor Russia were quite as bellicose as your public schooling would tell you. Once Russia ordered general mobilisation, the response from Berlin and Vienna was baked in, it isn’t some unique German lust for war, or the Kaiser’s either. Also the naval arms race was over, and German British relations were back to normal by Franz Ferdinands assassination. After the 1912 Haldane Mission they had cooperated on the Baghdad railway, and localised the Balkan Wars together at the London Conference. The limitations of their time set the wheels in motion, and every day we live deeper in the shadow of the first world war than we do the second.
>>18546244Perfidious Albion strikes again. Sucks to suck, loser
