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What race were the ancient Egypstians?
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>>18545405
Natufians+Mesopotamia
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>>18545405
the same one as modern Egyptians
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>>18545405
Egyptian
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Brahmin
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Nordic
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Don't wanna we wuz, but >>18545435 Egyptians did have extremely rare Nordid phenos once in a while, most of the population was East Med. otherwise.
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>>18545447
Sources
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>>18545453
Tomb of Rekhmire
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>>18545457
That's right. And these aren't the only images of people with stereotypically European features. I had an old article that said at least some of the babies mummies had naturally blond hair, although it was rare. I wonder if they were descendants of migrants or just those rare cases where, for example, in the middle of Guadalajara, people are born with blue eyes and blond hair.
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>>18545457
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>>18545466
If you're talking about mummified hair, you have to be careful because melanin does weird things when hair gets preserved.
Mummies as far away as the Andes have been found with red hair, just like Ramesses II and the Tarim Basin mummies, which makes it more likely that mummified red hair we find on bodies is the end result of centuries of melanin degradation of dark hair rather than the person having been a redhead when still alive.

>>18545472
Why did you post the same picture?
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What caught my attention most were the representations in the funerary chapel of the vizier Rekhmire (TT100), who is believed to have lived during the reigns of Thutmose III and his heir Amenhotep II, around 1479-1400 BC.

There are "Syrian men" with fair skin and red and blond hair depicted bringing tributes of vases and utensils, weapons, and animals (including horses and bears) to Egypt. Who were they? Judging by their clothing, horses, features etc I believe they may be Aryan Mittani, as both were politically allied through marriages.
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>>18545475
I'm aware of that. But, according to Dr. Janet Davey of the Victorian some ancient Egyptians had naturally blond or red hair. I'm not saying that this was the norm or anything, before anyone comes crying here. https://www.baka.com.au/technology/some-ancient-egyptians-were-natural-blondes-20160426-gof9hn.html

Most researchers claimed that the different hair colors of mummies were a result of the mummification process itself, but this is not always the case.
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>>18545484
Your link is dead.
Physical examination of mummified body parts that to determine their color when the mummy was alive is always going to be a stupid endeavor. Is Tollund Man black because his skin changed to leather when preserved by the bog he was found in? The only sure way to determine what color hair/eyes an ancient person had is through their DNA. Also note how even Tollund Man apparently was a redhead! What a coincidence!
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>>18545481
They were definitely Mittani, there's no other explanation
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>>18545488
You already said that in the other post, we already understand. But at least according to this Egyptologist, at least n=4 had naturally blond hair, a very small number it's true, but they existed.
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>>18545489
Well, yeah, being from "Syria" doesn't leave room for other theories. The coolest thing is that bear, lol.
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>>18545495
So her methodology was only looking at whether just the mummification process of using natron changed the hair, and didn't say anything about the effect of millennia of natural decomposition that follows mummification?
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>>18545503
Maybe if you stopped trying to trolling and read, you would know that wasn't the methodology.

>To determine if exposure to natron during the mummification process was responsible for the fair hair color an experiment was carried out to partially replicate the environment in which bodies were desiccated. Fourteen samples of modern hair from various age groups, sex and ethnicity were subjected to synthetic natron for a period of 40days to replicate the time taken to mummify a body

>Macroscopic and microscopic examinations of samples were employed to ascertain any significant changes in hair color after treatment. Ancient wigs were studied for evidence of post mortem changes to hair color since construction over 2,000years ago. Results of the study showed no significant lightening of hair color and in several samples the hair significantly darkened as the result of exposure to the natron

>There was not any evidence that hair lightened as the result of natural post mortem changes and this was confirmed by the study of the natural hair wigs that had not changed color post mortem. This study concluded that the fair hair observed in the three child mummies was not the result of exposure to natron or post mortem changes but rather it was probably due to ancestry because of the presence of diverse genomes that were introduced into ancient Egypt during the Greco-Roman Period.

It is obvious that it could be Europeans or people dependent on Europeans, but judging by the samples from the Greco-Roman period with little or no Greco-Roman ancestry, I have my doubts
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>>18545519
It is very likely that they were Romans
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>>18545521
Yes, they could be Greco-Roman, but as far as I know, no genetic samples have been collected from these babies, and the mixing between Romans and Egyptians was quite limited, but it is plausible.
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>>18545519
>and in several samples the hair significantly darkened as the result of exposure to the natron
Kek this confirms it's all nonsense
>sometimes it had no effect
>sometimes it darkened
>hey, maybe sometimes it lightened too? who the fuck knows, Tollund Man was black btw
Like I said, physical examination is retarded. DNA analysis is the only way to know.



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