The culture war is basically a divide between bourgeoisie people who value a life of individualism, hedonism, and materialism and working-class people who value shared community and values. Yet why do communists who claim to support the working-class take the side of the bourgeoisie?
>>18548265>and materialism>materialismvs.>shared community and values (based around doing whatever richfags want, often through an imaginary 'god' past generations of richfags made up)
>>18548265>bourgeoisie people who value a life of individualism, hedonism, and materialismt. hasn't hung out with working class people
To make an argument though, my sense is that differences in class culture here in the U.S. is very apparent around language. Working-class people tend to distrust managers (like at work) and in politics that distrust carries over to politicians who also appear like managers. One of the main ways the upper classes try to keep the working class out of politics is by controlling language so they can manage how people speak, or try to cancel people for what they say. It doesn't neatly break down along left/right lines because Trump (even though he's a billionaire) spoke in a way that working-class people found more relateable, but now there are politicians from the left like Graham Platner who are like this. (Normal people also don't talk like a race sensitivity trainer at a Fortune 500 company).But I think there's a lot more individual expression among the working class. It's also more anti-authoritarian than ideologues on the left or right want to believe. More direct, more a sense of handling your own problems (that's agency), but also backing up friends in a fight. But also making real friends, not just "frenemies." Working class people do more of their thinking out loud and often offend, they argue, they reconcile, they make up. What they don't like is robotic fake politeness and being constantly nagged about shit. (Some of the most woke-PC people are also among the most cruel and cutthroat people, which is why ladder climbers like it.) Practical experience is what matters, not credentials. Also working-class people are MORE focused on enhancing their own comfort. More likely to substitute lack of upward mobility with hobbies.Working-class aesthetics are also a big jumble. More likely to wear a cowboy hat for example (I'm from TX though), but also more likely to get tatttoos and piercings and dye hair unnatural colors like red or green, or get highlights in those colors. They can look messy but they're also more honest about being messy.
Culture war is a never ending battle between two forms of moral police, the evangelical right, and woke liberal left.Personally i hate them both, they are two sides of the same coin. They are hypocrites who use morality as a way to control peopleThe soviets had a name for culture war, they called it bourgeoise nationalismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_nationalism>In Marxist theory, bourgeois nationalism is the ideology of the ruling capitalist class which aims to overcome class antagonism between proletariat and bourgeoisie by appealing to national unity. It is seen as a distraction from engaging in class struggle and an attempt to impose interests of capitalists on the proletariat by constructing capitalist interests as "national interests". Internationally, it aims to create antagonism between workers of different nations and serves as a divide-and-conquer strategy. The bourgeois nationalism is contrasted with left-wing nationalism and proletarian internationalism.the moto of communism was "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE", not "WORKERS OF THE WORLD FIGHT AMONGST YOURSELVES ABOUT IDENITY POLITICS"
>>18548265cause the bourgeoisie hold the power /thread
>>18548265>why do communists support the bourgeoisiethey don't. in other news, nazis don't support black jews either
>>18548791They do, communists don't attack people for being enemies of the working class, they attack white people for being racist, sexist, transphobic, and bigoted.
>>18548265You can absolutely be a communist who values individualism, hedonism, and materialism. One of the dumbest thing surrounding the "socialism vs capitalism" debate s things like free speech, democracy ect. There's is no evidence that Socialism is married to dictatorship and repression or that capitalism isn't. These are institutional things separate from economics. There are capitalist societies that are democratic and allow freedom and capitalist societies that are dictatorships with very little freedom.
>>18548265I love McDonalds
>>18548265there's no such thing as a working class in 2026. stop being a larping leftypol tranny.
>>18548265>working-class people >value shared community and valuesYou have never been around a working class individual in your life
>>18548265Communist ideology was predicated on this idea that Capitalism would lead to this massive disparity between the working class (those who must exchange their time/labor for a paycheck) and the capitalist class (those who privately own the means of production)Fast forward to post war America and the Frankfurt School Marxist (who rejected Soviet style communism) saw a booming middle class. Workers who were earning enough money to buy homes, cars, and other consumer goods and live a nice comfy life. These people would obviously not be willing to engage in revolutionary activity against a system that was affording them a nice life, so the communist basically redefined what "the working class" was. The dial was moved from anyone who exchanges their time/labor for a paycheck to now mean anyone on the peripherals of polite society. In the 1950s, this saw fertile ground in black people who were legally discriminated against, and its no coincidence that the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s was kissing cousins with Communist. The Black Panthers and Angela Davis were outright and outspoken communist who defined themselves as such. With this new category of "outsiders" as the basis of the proles, it also ended up including all sorts of dejected groups too, including gays and trans, drug addicts, homeless people, and bizarre subcultures. With this new paradigm, its now essentially weirdos, faggots and brown people vs white people. Groups like the Weather Underground were discussing genocide of white people as a viable solution btw. Theres also the move of "third worldism" which is also rooted in this, but thats a whole other can of worms. TL;DR - Communist embraced the culture war as a survival tactic for their ideology to continue existing after Marxist predictions were proven wrong.
>>18548429This seems to be the exact opposite. It says its about uniting the nation in the name of national interest. Culture War shit is very devise and not unifying at all.
>>18548265>bourgeoisie people who value a life of individualismThey all juat chase trends and try to ape the old elite. Often times have complexes or weird belief fixations.>working-class people who value shared community and valuesGot shaved off through years of pressure, population relocations/evicitions and super long and unstimulating labour cutting into key bonding and cultral transference periods.
>>18549370Did you full read the OP?
>>18549865>Capitalism would lead to this massive disparityIt did though. Your life is drastically and completely alien and foreign to a billionaire like Jeff Bezos. These people don't even know how to shop for themselves at a grocery store, that's how disconnected they are from you. Obviously life is better now than it was 100 years ago and especially 400 years ago under feudalism, but to deny that there is a disparity is to be a retard.
>>18550395The issue isn't Jeff Bezos not knowing how to do his own shopping, it is the level of capital ownership.Every other boomer is a millionaire because of some home they bought in the 90s or earlier. The average American now goes to college and, if they live beneath their means, can earn a small surplus to invest. If someone does this with self-discipline they can easily hit a million over their working life. The top 10% most intelligent can get a decent 6 fig income and achieve this much faster. The lower-middle class have pensions. So ironically capitalism accomplished one of the goals of socialism, distributing ownership of the means of production to the general population, albeit to varying degrees.Unfortunately the effect of all this prosperity is vulnerability to degeneracy which the left sought to exploit. They not only found fanatical followers among existing lumpenproles, but they could also promote and create them. By actively spreading degeneracy they make people more dependent on them, since only they recognize and seek to soothe their "grievances", which have become increasingly bizarre and extreme. The most notable example of grievance culture being transsexuals, demanding access to women's restrooms, showers and sports, sex change operations on medicare, stiff penalties for not using their preferred pronouns and access to children to groom.When we look back to the 1960s, who do we see pushing for these things? Brainwashed pot smoking students, jews, black people, homosexuals, Karens. I don't see many rich people except among the jews of course, especially jews in the media who were pivotal in creating this new mass culture, but the WASPs were John Birch Society tier at this point in time.I have no love for rich people, but don't deny your deranged ideology is what caused this.
>>18550419You just repeated what you said when I was addressing a specific point you made. There is still disparity in capitalism, HUGE disparity. I agree with basically everything else you said, but you're delusional for thinking you and Jeff Bezos have anything in common besides speaking English.
>>18548265Anon, we all want a life of individualism, hedonism and materialism. All of us. The entire nature of the argument is not one of those things versus shared values and community, its an argument of who gets to have those things. Nobody on any side really gives a shit about shared community and values, those were just a necessary evil to keep from sinking into poverty and destitution.
>>18550437But they are still capitalists. Both benefit from this system that allows its citizens to own capital. It wouldn't matter if Jeff Bezos lived in space with robots to wipe his ass, he still has the same shared interests when it comes to policy.Communists would recruit the lumpenproletariat and proletariat to drag down the middle class and plutocracy.Progressives use the lumpenproles to drag down the middle class and working class while lowkey preserving the plutocracy.Social conservatives get rid of the lumpenproles but not the plutocracy.If you want to work in the interests of workers and middle classes against both the lumpenproles and the plutocracy, well, now you're a fascist.
It's not really class based, it's ideological and about the differential consequences of technology and how people want to adapt to it. There is a class basis in mass migration but many of people defending wage swamping I've observed are themselves just cashier wagies and the like. The Divide is Male-Female, Minority-White
>>18550441>we all want a life of individualism, hedonism and materialism.That's projection on your part.
>>18550419>If someone does this with self-discipline they can easily hit a million over their working life.A million is literally nothing.>The top 10% most intelligent can get a decent 6 fig income and achieve this much fasterRisk and companies forcing shitty pensions and retirement plans. The plans of old are no more.>The lower-middle class have pensions.That are total ass lol.The rest of your post is some weird culture war posting and obsseaseing over "degeneracy".
So has anyone defined what the phrase "culture war" actually means? For example the male vs. female divide is more based on biology and class than "culture", yet people call it a "culture war" for some reason.
>>18548265COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>18548265It's a struggle between normal society that is based on relationship and mutual agreement, against the psychopaths who want a law based "individualist" "society", wher winners deserve their prizes, and it's just totally unfair when nine of you go against me the lone individual, when I could win against all of you easily one on one!
>>18548835>communists attack people for being racist, sexist, transphobic, and bigotednot just communists, everyone should. those words mean bad things anon. if you want to be a sociopath, expect some pushback
>>18548265Kinda the second iteration of the KKK were union busters on the payroll of rich industrialist
>>18548265"Culture war" is more real than "class war" because even if classes are abolished there will still exist e.g. the male vs. female feud because of hypergamy.
>>18548265>it’s all a divide and conquer tactic by the bourgeoisie >but no i will not admit that trannies are mentally ill LARPers or give up pushing any of the culture war shit I believe Same shit different decade.
>>18550437You didn’t actually address his point and ignored everything save the part about wealth disparity because if you were to acknowledge the massive middle class that existed you would effectively be acknowledging that there is not some fatalistic dichotomy where only the extreme poor and wealthy exist and there is a in between.
>>18551836>A struggle between normal society that is based on relationship and mutual agreement>Such a society does not actually exist>Against the psychopaths who want a law-based individualist society>Such a society is the one we actually have, thus making it the norm and/or normalReally not sure what you're trying to say here. We have a law based individualist society, that's the way society has been for as long as we've had the presumption of law. There has never been a relationship-based, mutual agreement society where the rich share their gains with the rest of the unwashed masses fairly and equitably, its just a fever dream from science fiction at the moment.
>>18552716The middle class and wealthy are still hugely disparate.
>>18552720It’s not, the middle class are the gap between both wealthy and poor that’s why they’re the middle class you lying retard.
>>18552759LOL Okay retard, enjoy living in your delusion.
>>18548265Made up nonsense
>>18550395>Your life is drastically and completely alien and foreign to a billionaire like Jeff Bezos.This is such a none issue though. Who gives a shit if Jeff Bezos doesnt know the price of eggs and milk? Especially when compared to millions of foreigners from various different third world countries who are united only in their hatred of white western people.
>>18548265>bourgeoisie people who value a life of individualism, hedonism, and materialismIf anything rich people actually care more about community, ancestry, and history. There's more at stake and they're better educated. >working-class people who value shared community and valuesYea, I would recommend working in a warehouse for 6 months if you think working class people aren't all about individualism, hedonism, and materialism. >inb4 "but the working class is just ape-ing rich people"Worse, they're ape-ing what they think rich people are like.
>>18550569>A million is literally nothing.You can drop it in Pfizer or Pepsi and get $60k a year, you can live off it and not have to eat ramen noodles. You are a true capitalist at that point.>degeneracy doesn't matter bro who cares lol<I think it's fair to say degeneracy is a cold war psyop that spun out of control, and it could well have been orchestrated by the CIA as much as the KGB. Those who oppose degeneracy are just normal rational people that don't believe men can be women or some other sticking point. They are not even fighting a "culture war" just stating the obvious.
>>18553021>Especially when compared to millions of foreigners from various different third world countries who are united only in their hatred of white western people.Every billionaire support mass migration
>>18552983If it was a delusion you wouldn’t default to trying to act like a smug faggot to cope.
>>18552717All societies were relationship based, confucianism even explicitly rejects law as harmful.If you called yourself an individualist before WW1, people would assume you are some kind of a terrorist, and couldn't clearly distinguish you from communists and anarchists.Codes of law are a thing since the end of the 18th century. The term rule of law is a century old.It absolutely did work, but psychopaths saw the fact that they ended up being killed as a problem to be fixed.
>>18553021>This is such a none issue though.You missed the point of what I was saying and demonstrated your low IQ. Do you or do you not agree that there exists huge disparity between the lower and upper classes?
>>18553021>>18553269It's a massive issue. Policies are decided by people who live in a world where everybody has everything they could possibly want, and it seems that only some loudmouth virgins could possibly complain.
>>18548265You're American.
>>18548265Communists and Lefties in general got one shotted by the psyop of pathological altruism.>NOOOO THINK OF HECKIN SWEATY TYRONE TAKIN CARE OF HE KIDS HE WORKIN HE A PROLETARIAT CHABISTA CHICHARONES LATINAMOMMA WORKERS REBOLUCION UNIDOS!!!Lefties romanticize the aspirational weakness of browns and have themselves become weak. They engage in a form of high mutational load nationalism. Bio-Leninism as opposed to actual Leninism.>>18551983>it’s sociopathic to exist as a White personDumb loxist.Marx wasn’t just a White supremacist he was a Germanic supremacist.You cannot have a worker’s state or a commune without White people.Non-Whites haven’t undergone the historical processes necessary to be capable of achieving a stateless society.Marxism will adapt and become White supremacist Marxism, or it will die and continually ask “why wont these 85IQ fauna builds workers state wtf wtf wtf the capitalists must be behind this!”
