Why are orthobros so aggressively anti-Protestant when they agree with Protestants about most issues from the Reformation? And why do they say retarded things like “they revolted against the one true church”, when they didn’t leave the Eastern Orthodox church, they left the Roman papist church that they also say is wrong? It’s like theological schizophrenia
>>18549032majority of ortholarpers are brown people
>>18549032Their only personality is hating Caths and Prots.
>>18549032Orthobros follow an aesthetic fetishism above all else
>>18549032Jay Dyer was formerly Reformed, he just brought his Reformed mentality to arguing for the Orthodox
>>18549077The Reformed mentality is aggressively anti-Protestant?
>>18549082His argument tactic is Reformed, and he's adopted a non-protestant ideology that's frequently at odds with it, so yeah here it is
>>18549032Protestants don’t have priests anymore. Orthodox still believe the papacy of the high priesthood. They just don’t have one pope.Russia has their own Gog and Magog edited bible to blind their selves to the fact that they are them in the end times. Which is gong to happen 1000 years after Jesus Christ returns and rules the same amount of time from Jerusalem. So think of satan and his plans. He came up with ideas of how to fight God from every people on earth and what their attack plans will be. I don’t know why but it must have something to do with Satan and not God. I don’t think God would have made plans how to end certain people. It is just more about what satan is going to have to do to maintain ruling the world. You have to remember that satan is a liar deceiver and so his forces on earth have a predictable outcome because his forces Have to attack this way and that way and this way because if he doesn’t, he loses control of earth so if that happens his vow to be like the most high fails. So God basically created boundaries for his plans. He can only have so much room to struggle for dominance over God till it gets taken away. Don’t forget also in the bible Satan many times basically begged God to let him believe he won. He begged to believe he was like Cain standing over his enemy about to kill Abel before God strikes his lights out. So then that’s what led to a lot of Japanese anime in my opinion like DBZ and Trigun and Cowboy Bebop where there is these long drawn out battles (either the good guy or the bad guy waiting to annihilate the other).There are westerns like that too, but I always preferred Gunsmoke where the good guy always wins and they never show anything too evil or violent. Since gog and magog is so far away I tend to just think they are not as bad or their evil just isn’t as near.
>>18549148Meds
By the way I’m not a Protestant or a catholic, just a bible believing Christian. Fundamental independent conservative Baptist. Kjv only.I found out about the Gog and Magog bible a long time ago when I was reading about what Albert Einstein said about the bible trying to find out if he was a Christian when I was a teenager with the internet. Then I started stumbling onto what and who is gog and Magog and is their interpretation of prophecy as Christian’s the sam,e as ours. You would think , right, that if they have the same bible as us, that they would just believe the same as we do. So there’d be no reason to fight. We’d all believe in Jesus and be friends. But according to internet sources it isn’t that simple as the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus.
>>18549032He is an e-celeb first, not the source to understand the Orthodox phronema. His has correct theology but you will get more out of studying the lives of the saints. You have to attain an Eastern worldview to really get Orthodoxy, as everything Western has its roots laid by Catholicism and its chiliastic view. Jay lacks this via his use of presup and other reasons. Fr. Seraphim Rose is a good example of an American attaining this view.
>>18549173>You have to attain an Eastern worldview to really get OrthodoxyBecause it’s deeply influenced by Hinduism.
Nah Russian orthodoxy is like dwarves in world of Warcraft and lord of the rings. They draw from Odin and Nord runes. Even Adolf Hitler wished to do away with Christianity and recreate the nazi German religion out of worship of blonde haired blue eyed nord uber men. He strongly favored the warrior spirit of the Nord and believed Nazi Germany was the key to unlock it. Everyone was going to be Arnold Swartzeneggars.The reason dwarves are short in fantasy roleplaying like from Tolkien is because as long as Russians are humble they are lovable and Christlike.
>>18549178What I mean by the Eastern view is Eastern European. Also there is absolutely no Hindu influence in EO. Care to explain saar?
>>18549032catholic vs orthodox can be boiled down to:on the catholic side:>Jesus promulgated the Spirit which resided in and exclusively animates monarchical bloodlines, imbuing them with a divine right to rule all others born of the Spirit which compose the body of Christ and kingdom of heaventhe protestant vs catholics: >the Spirit which resides in and exclusively animates all peoples born of the Spirit, children of God, are equally imbued with the divine and none of them is inherently above another as they compose the body of Christ and kingdom of heaventhis may seem as if they are restatements of the same thing, but they are not
>>18549032What do ortho bros think of Ethiopian Orthodox ? https://youtu.be/ZBF0-5S8dDM
>>18549203People died for this fucking pee-pee poo-poo nonsense?
>>18549032>Why are orthobros so aggressively anti-Protestant when they agree with Protestants about most issues from the Reformation? The only thing they're in agreement on is that the Roman Catholic Pope does not have unilateral authority to make decisions regarding spiritual matters. > And why do they say retarded things like “they revolted against the one true church”, when they didn’t leave the Eastern Orthodox church, They don't say that. What they say is that Protestants exist outside of the Body of Christ, which is a correct statement. There is no salvation within any Protestant denomination because they lack the ability to discern scripture and correctly engage in the sacraments.
>>18549524There is no salvation within any Christian denomination lmao
>>18549032probably one of the more low iq prot posts ive read, and thats saying something.
>>18549196Of course there is. They took monasticism, mysticism, and idolatry from India, which all ran up the silk road to Greece. This also explains why they have abandoned basic Christian presuppositions about the world and life, for instance, they have abandoned the biblical and patristic understanding that sin is lawlessness and God is hateful towards it with the idea that sin is just disease, and God feels oh so sorry that you’re sick and really badly wishes you would get better (which is a notion foreign to scripture but consistent with the Hindu worldview), and they consequently deny either that God actively brings wrath against the wicked (instead saying that hell is only a different experience of heaven resulting from the sickness of sin) or that Christ’s death is a propitiation (against the explicit teaching of scripture). They also have been documented taking tall tales from Indian religion and canonizing into saints men who never existed, proving incontrovertibly this influence of Hinduism upon them, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_Josaphat
>>18549672That should be both, not either.
>>18549524>The only thing they're in agreement on is that the Roman Catholic Pope does not have unilateral authority to make decisions regarding spiritual matters.That’s not true and you probably have a shallow understanding of the issues. Another example of agreement between Geneva and Constantinople is the admission of the laity to the cup.>They don't say thatThey have literally said that verbatim>There is no salvation within any Protestant denomination because they lack the ability to discern scripture and correctly engage in the sacraments.That’s not true either
>>18549434>nonsenseyes, kings have no divine right to rule and dark skinned persons have no place in the body of Christ.
>>18549682You can't schism from something you never actually belonged to.When people refer to Protestants as being "in schism", that's a colloquialism and not really accurate.True schism presupposes apostolic succession.Most protestants do noy even recognize that institution as being established by Christ and perpetuated through the apostles and so on down till today, so in that sense they're not actually from the one holy catholic and apostolic church. Much less in communion with it. Their myriad denominations would represent invented modern counter-churches sowing division amongst the population of Christ believing trinitarians globally.Think about Pentacostals. Fastest growing "denomination" right? But how many of these new churches are in full communion with one another, how many depend on poaching congregants from other churches through aggressive proselytization?Not many at all. They're startlingly atomized and exist in relative isolation from other Pentacostals. And most of them do just that.To them, one fold is more of a theory than practical concern.That is unlike the apostolic faith.
>>18549898>True schism presupposes apostolic successionLmao no christcuck, a schism just means a drastic enough mostly binary disagreement that is often followed by an organizational splitThe only thing you got right is that you can't schism from a branch of religion you didn't originally belong to
>>18549682>That’s not true and you probably have a shallow understanding of the issues. Another example of agreement between Geneva and Constantinople is the admission of the laity to the cup.Having shared thoughts and opinions does not mean they are the same. This is a fallacy. >They have literally said that verbatimShow me>That’s not true eitherIt's completely true. Prots don't even adhere to the Nicene Creed, which already puts them outside of orthodox mainline Christianity.
>>18550012>>18549524you lost, orthotranny
>>18550204Both Orthodox and Catholic churches are swelling with converts at a historical high, while Protestant churches are dying. Prot mega churches in particular are down to 20-30% capacity. Tell me again how Orthodoxy is losing.
>>18550405Orthodox churches aren't swelling with converts. Their churches are still very few and far between outside of Orthodox countries. Evangelicals and Pentecostals are the ones who are consistently punching far above their weight with worldwide conversions.
>>18550446>Orthodox churches aren't swelling with converts. Their churches are still very few and far between outside of Orthodox countries. Wrong. Orthodox diocese in North America are reporting large number of converts. >Evangelicals and Pentecostals are the ones who are consistently punching far above their weight with worldwide conversions.True. But most of these churches are nothing more than covers for US intelligence agencies. The CIA has a long history of using evangelical missions in Latin America and Eastern Europe for intelligence gathering, smuggling weapons, drugs, and laundering dirty money. What actual value are converts getting from these fake churches?
>>18549032They're from the West. Actual Orthodox people don't tend to care about Protestants that much since their main rivalry has been with Catholics. 4th Crusade and all that.
>>18549096Calvin made Protestantism like this too.
>>18550571High number by percentage, not total number, which is still miniscule compared to most denominations. Orthodoxy as a whole in the US averages 16,000 converts per year while the Southern Baptist Church averages over 200,000 per year. There's only around 600 active OCA parishes in the US while there are over 6,700 active Episcopal parishes despite Episcopalians being one of the fastest declining churches.The Orthodox church is wholly irrelevant outside of Orthodox countries and even increasingly irrelevant within them. Also, your schizo conspiracies are ridiculous considering the Russian Orthodox Church has direct connection to the government. Most Orthodox churches might as well be SVR covers using your logic.
>>18550405>thinks im a protrent-free>>18550571nope. just because 50 of your terminally online friends post orthobro memes and epic beard man quotes doesn't mean that its growing, mate.
>>18550636>Orthodoxy as a whole in the US averages 16,000 converts per year while the Southern Baptist Church averages over 200,000 per year.Baptists, along with Methodists and Pentecostals are not and have never been Christian denominations. Those annual 200,000 might as well be converting to Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism. 16,000 converts per year to an apostolic church is nothing to balk at, but that's nothing compared to 4 million Americans that converted to Catholicism just in 2024, and 59% of those converts were raised Protestants.> Also, your schizo conspiracies are ridiculous considering the Russian Orthodox Church has direct connection to the government. Most Orthodox churches might as well be SVR covers using your logic.Firstly that just shows your ignorance as to how states use religious institutions to engage in conspiracies and subterfuge. Secondly, I'm not ROC so I don't care what they do politically. Thirdly, the great thing about Orthodoxy is that it's too decentralized to be corrupted by external forces, and not a useful vehicle for conspiracies.
>>18550780>Baptists, along with Methodists and Pentecostals are not and have never been Christian denominations.Eastern Orthodoxy disagrees and considers them Christians.>Orthodoxy is that it's too decentralized to be corrupted by external forcesOrthodoxy is significantly more centralized than most Protestant denominations, if not every Protestant denomination.
>>18550780Did you convert to Eastern Orthodoxy because of Jay Dyer?
>>18550790>Eastern Orthodoxy disagrees and considers them Christians.The ignorant think they're Christians for the same reason most people think Mormons are Christians. >Orthodoxy is significantly more centralized than most Protestant denominations, if not every Protestant denomination.Any apostolic church has more organization and structure relative to most Protestant denominations. It's not an issue, it's how any functioning organization works. With Protestants its complete chaos, there's no structure nor consistency with the liturgy and their doctrines, and every pastor treats the Bible like a it's a choose your own religion book. It's why most Protestant churches are little more than cults, often subject to abuse internally and externally.
>>18550780>>18551180>>18550790typical ortholarper spewing shit out of his assholealso he ignores me because he knows its true and doesnt want to admit it lmao
>>18549032Why is the sky blue? Why is water wet?Why did Judas, rat to Romans while Jesus slept?
>>18550780>4 million Americans that converted to Catholicism just in 2024That's the estimated number of ALL adults that identify as converts to Catholicism in 2024, not the number of adults that converted to Catholicism in 2024.
>>18551711(cont.) and - based on the same survey - the catholic church is still hemorrhaging members in the US>For every adult who becomes a Catholic after having been raised something different, more than eight of those who were raised Catholic no longer identify that wayhttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/06/05/vance-is-among-1-5-of-americans-who-have-converted-to-catholicism/If your convert/drop out ratio is 1:8 I wouldn't classify it as a victory
>>18551712Switching from Protestant to Catholic is a much bigger switch than going from Catholic to anything else desu, id imagine most Protestants dont convert to Orthodoxy either
>>18551771It's still hemorrhaging membership no matter how you try to cope about it.
>>18551711>>18551712All denominational memberships and participation are down from 50 years ago. Given the context of the spiritual void that's happened in the past several decades, this is a victory for the apostolic traditions.
>>18549062This. They're doing it because it's the crazy Warhammer 40k church with robes and skulls and chanting, not like YOUR boring normal church.
>>18551930>victory
>>18551930"Victory" in the sense that being the healthiest resident in a hospice is a "victory"
>>18549077He was everything. He was a jewish kabbalist at some point.
>>18550012>Having shared thoughts and opinions does not mean they are the same. This is a fallacy.Having shared thoughts and opinions doesn’t mean they have the same thoughts and opinions? Oh yeah, there’s a fallacy here>Prots don't even adhere to the Nicene CreedLiterally bearing false witness>>18549898>True schism presupposes apostolic succession.Papist, the mythical fantasy of “apostolic succession” you dream of is not only foreign to scripture and the early Church but also to the very eastern churches under discussion, since they do not hold your notion of the indelible mark of the priesthood, much less to transubstantiation and the sacrifice of the mass. And since this false priesthood and false sacrifice, which impugns the perfect priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ, is totally divest of the authority of God speaking through scripture, we can only be faulted for refusing to nullify the commandments of God by the traditions of men, a charge which we are proud to receive. Indeed, this doctrine of yours is damnable heresy which denies the gospel of Jesus Christ, which shows that not only is Rome not the Catholic Church she is not even a member thereof, outside of which salvation cannot be obtained.
>>18549032i have a feeling anyone who makes these threads were people who got clowned on when they called in
>>18553217You’re badly mistaken if you think I would waste my time speaking to this manchild.
>>18552458Is this supposed to be some kind of own? Am I supposed to give a fuck about the platitudes of some bishop whose church I am not even part of? >>18553213>Having shared thoughts and opinions doesn’t mean they have the same thoughts and opinions? Oh yeah, there’s a fallacy hereApples and tomatoes are both fruits, are they the same? >Literally bearing false witnessYou're commenting on Christianity and you don't even know what the Nicene Creed demands? You're a fucking clown. >Papist, the mythical fantasy of “apostolic succession” you dream of is not only foreign to scripture and the early Church but also to the very eastern churches blah blahChatGpt nonsense. You and I both know you have no idea what the AI slopped out, and it's obvious you're relying on it to give you answers about Christianity without ever doing any personal study or research on it. >>18553217100%. I don't even like Dyer, but he knows how to debate, corner the opposition, and expose the flawed logic of people he debates. It's why he causes an endless amount of asshurt, as evidenced by this thread and why he has stalkers like David Wood who are obsessed with hating on him.
>>18553260you still lost. sorry it hurts =)
>>18553260> I don't even like Dyer, but he knows how to debate, corner the opposition, and expose the flawed logic of people he debatesImagine unironically believing this>muh asshurtPeople rightly telling you you're retarded is not asshurt kek
"Orthodox" retards online are larpers and mainly American, with zero connection to the actual culture and history. Every single Orthodox person in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Russia etc. will agree that the Catholics are a sister church, they are by far the closest to us in history, theology, liturgy etc. and the "schism" was always more about politics than anything.Both agree that the other church has valid bishops, liturgy, sacraments/mysteries and apostolic succession and is a valid church. Depending on the availability of a church of your preference in an area, most Catholic and Orthodox priests would tell you to attend a church of either of those two, over a Protestant church, since they have valid liturgy.
