>Zero evidence for karma>Zero evidence for rebirth>Zero evidence for other planes of existence>Zero evidence for nibbana>Zero evidence for psychic powers >Zero evidence for "jhana">Zero evidence for monasticism being beneficial to the individualWhy do "rational" Westerners give this religion a pass? Is it just because the aesthetics are cool?
>>18550607I think it has been promoted to Western audiences over all other Eastern religions because it's essentially Nihilism and trains submission and escapism, the same way Christianity does.
>>18550607>>Zero evidence for "jhana"But there is evidence doe....
>>18550620There is evidence for some kind of brain states that may or may not be "jhana". I'm sure Christians can enter some kind of brain state that they would call "unity with God"or whatever. Monks can't even agree on a definition for "jhana".
The parallels between Christianity and Buddhism discredit both because their theoretical frameworks for them are completely different and mutually opposed
>>18550631Basically every religion at some point stumbles across the fact that if you cut yourself off from outside stimulus long enough or repeat a boring monotonous task long enough you'll start to trip out. They then try and frame this altered mental state as some kind of communion with god or the universe or whatever because they had no idea how the brain works. Christian monasticism, buddhist meditation, Sufi's fucking spinning around, it's all the same thing.
>>18550607It doenst try to be universal truth
They're all moreorless references to subconscious states, and how humans can achieve those states via practice. Jhana comes from Dhyana which means our perception of things, they change as our Jhana changes. This is why an animal state is so horrid for Buddhists, because you can't easily get those subconscious states in that form. To achieve any varied subconscious state you have to be man, this is why Naraka comes from man, Nara. Manōpubbangamā Dhammā, the mind or the subconscious precedes everything, they were literally saying it's all in your head.
>>18550610>trains submissionThis peculiar misreading of Christianity really doesn't make sense. Christian factions are highly active politically and frequently come to have an outsized impact on their landscape. Look at how much of American politics hinges on the approval of devout Christian communities and has done historically.
>>18550656>Irrational gibberishHere's a perfect example of what I mean. Imagine a fat Indian guy rambling on in this way. Would anyone take him seriously? No. But whites just gobble this up when another white talks about it
>>18550607>>Zero evidence for karmanewton's third law>>18550634>acquire enlightenment (understanding of god)>liberate yourself from sinful worldthey're perfectly parallel
>>18550607Karma is just the cause and effect of your actions. Not the god tally keeping pop version
>>18550771>Karma is just the cause and effect of your actions> Nooo if you are not generous in this life you will be reborn as a dog!!! >:( Please provide evidence, thanks.
>>18550767>newton's third law is karmaWhen I push on an object , that's karma? So why all this shit about past and future lives then? Obviously you are full of shit.
>>18550762>t. believes the ramblings of an emaciated jew
>>18550794That's hinduism
>>18550875“Here, student, some man or woman does not give food, drink, clothing, carriages, garlands, scents, unguents, beds, dwelling, and lamps to recluses or brahmins. Because of performing and undertaking such action…he reappears in a state of deprivation…But if instead he comes back to the human state, then wherever he is reborn he is poor. This is the way, student, that leads to poverty, namely, one does not give food…and lamps to recluses or brahmins."Tell me again how this canonical statement of the Buddha is actually Hinduism
>>18550607>Zero evidence for karmaIts just case and effect; if I law down a rack and take a step and step on it and it hits my head. Thats karma. It continuing onto other life's, is a matter of faith I think>Zero evidence for rebirthBut there is https://archived.moe/x/thread/42508470/#42509125>Zero evidence for other planes of existenceBut there is https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42381233/#42387332>Zero evidence for psychic powersBut there is https://archived.moe/x/thread/42353055/#42353179>Zero evidence for "jhana"But there is lol>repeat a boring monotonous task long enough you'll start to trip out.Lmao you have no clue what a jhana is lol>Zero evidence for monasticism being beneficial to the individualIt going to be different if you ask different peopleIn conc; its not that there is no evidence, its that you haven't seen any convening evidence for yourself.
>>18550799>>18550794>>18551099anything you do you push the arc of your life further. you commit your limited time to becoming close to god you end up closer to god, you stray from god you become further from god
>>18550607>Why do "rational" Westerners give this religion a pass?Because it's mostly harmless. Abrahamics keep starting fights, feel the need to aggressively proselytize and push their dumb ideas into political spaces.
>>18551146The harm is when atheists and scientific people start to get influenced by Buddhism into mystical bullshit worldviews and everyone accepts it for some reason. It's more insidious than Christianity that way.
>>18551435Like what?
>>18550607>They then try and frame this altered mental state as some kind of communion with god or the universe or whatever because they had no idea how the brain works.Materialists don't have any probable explanation for altered phenomenological states either. Cope.
>>18551449meant for >>18550652
>>18550662Sure but those are Christians that changed Christianity after it became the state religion. If we look at the beliefs of the earliest Christians right after Christ they were a pacifist cult. They did preach total peace and pacifism.
>https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5.pdfI unironically ‘heckin trust le science’ when it comes to the CIA’s internal memos.Materialism has been thoroughly debunked. We don’t know exactly what’s going on, but we know that our ability to detect is woefully inadequate for what is actually there.Materialism is a kind of primitive ignorance which imagines the faculties of man as they are have been perfectly sufficient to understand 100% of existence.The best of the best have concluded otherwise.
>>18550607>no eat meat>awful aesthetics>no tech to turn monasteries and their surroundings into little paradises
>>18550662And honestly, it would better for everyone if christians stayed away from politics. All they fight for is moralfag shit that only makes things even harder for everyone, like more censorship
>>18551438"Life is good" optimism for one.
>>18551472>I unironically ‘heckin trust le science’ when it comes to the CIA’s internal memos.>Overall reviews (including CIA evaluations) found no reliable, replicable evidence of paranormal information transfer beyond chance or sensory cues. Results were inconsistent, not operationally useful enough to continue, and often criticized for methodological flaws. A 1995 CIA review concluded it didn't provide clear intelligence value.So which heckin CIA expert do you trust? Oh right, the one from 1965 who agrees with your preconceived notions
>>18551497>Buddhism>"Life is good" optimism???????????
>>18551487>All they fight for is moralfag shitLiterally everyone in politics does that. Progressives moralfag about every little random thing that pops into their heads that morning.
>>18551509>Literally everyone in politics does thatWhich is why we dont need anymore pretentious retards ruining things even further
>>18551497Not even sure what that means or how it gets turned into legislation.
>>18550652>Christian monasticism, buddhist meditation, Sufi's fucking spinning around, it's all the same thing.Like it or not, scientific empiricism can't guarantee meaning like that stuff can.
>>18551497You are a blithering idiot
>>Zero evidence for karm-ACK
>>18551534>You are a blithering idiot
>>18550607For some, it's the exotic aspect of it. For some it's the fact none of your greentext factually matters. Some, I suppose, found enough evidence to be satisfied.
>zero evidence of cause and effectFull retard mode.
>>18550607Once I meditated really hard and it felt like I took heroin.
>>18550607Because meditation is so fucking effective and profound that it doesn't matter. Christ cucks pray and cry out for god to save them praying harder, looking for signs, entering the painful surplus enjoyment. I sit and meditate in peace removing delusions one by one effortlessly over time. Sitting is a complete act. /End
>>18550652No, it's because if you train your focus long enough with breath meditation, the effects of lacan graph of desire loosens it's grip on you, you can see reality clearly with rational thoughts and act without needing a guarantee from something that doesn't exist. Neuroticism goes way down and you stop reacting to things. You think, then you act. Life slows down. Meditation is nothing like begging on your knees for a god to save you that is the start of ritual and neurosis and mental illness
>>18554018It's effective at what? Are there any real benefits of meditation or is it just a way to temporarily feel good about yourself despite achieving nothing in particular.
>>18550607Reminder: anything that offers completion in relation to your "self" is a structural impossibility you should immediately be skeptical and know it's not real
>>18550607Buddhism was just something that New Left retards and hippies in the 60s turned to because Christianity was too chud coded even though gospel-only Christianity was way closer to their beliefs than Buddhism.John Lennon realized this near the end of his life hence why he converted to some kind of non-denominational anti-Paul Christianity.
>>18554032The benefits are: you will stop freezing up around hot bitches and you will be able to speak slowly and confidentially because you are no longer attached to an outcome meditation frees you from the symbolic world's shackles and allows you to effortlessly relate to it differently. Loud sounds won't startle you, you will engage with a closer reality to what's actually happening
>>18554054That's it? You need to go through all that just to mimic a fraction of chad's power?
>>18554062You will either do it and experience it for yourself, or you won't and continue to exist in hell idc either way
>>18550607>>Zero evidence for karma>>Zero evidence for rebirth>>Zero evidence for other planes of existence>>Zero evidence for nibbana>>Zero evidence for psychic powers>>Zero evidence for "jhana">>Zero evidence for monasticism being beneficial to the individualIn spiritual practice there's only one criterion for evidence: personal experience. You have to face up to the fact that no study or book can prove anything in this realm; only by personally trying and testing the practices can one determine if they have value. Subjective experience uber alles.
