Are you an Odysseus man or a Achilles bro?Do you value ingenuity and clever trickery, like Odysseus? or do you think that's cowardly and that a conflict should be blunt and direct, like Achilles?Ancient Greeks apparently didn't like how Odysseus went around slitting throats of Trojans as they slept in their camp but they obviously loved the idea of the Trojan horse. Achilles was always the fan favorite because he's just an angry warrior who kills everyone and mutilates his enemies, but today I feel most people would just see him as a brute, like a Bond henchman or something, and not someone to aspire to be like.
>>18551209Aeneas.
>>18551209Odysseus exists in an eternal fireball in dante's inferno. Good riddance
>>18551209Achilles was impressive but that's all, he failed to live up to his responsibilities and develop skills apart from killing guys and so ended up fighting to his early death at the compulsion of men he hatedOdysseus on the other hand met most of his duties, about as much as a man could, and made it home to his family and kingdomAchilles won fame, but Odysseus won fame and the rest of his life back
>>18551209For me its Dolon
>>18551377>Odysseus on the other hand met most of his duties, about as much as a man could, and made it home to his family and kingdomhe was a poor king who led the best of a generation of his subjects to their death, and then as soon as he arrived he massacred more of his people. Then in the post Odyssey epic cycle he immediately leaves, marries and impregnates a foreign queen, abandons that child, then gets killed by another son he abandoned, who marries Penelope.
>>18551209Odysseus was let off easy. For his crime of arguing for Astyanax's murder, his crew died in piteous, meaningless ways, often by cruel torture or being devoured alive. Odysseus had to watch this, know that it was his fault, know that all of the treasures of the war against Troy were lost and meaningless, and then get home and watch his dog die unloved as punishment for his crimes. His wife and children whom he obviously did not love as he abandoned them to go and fight for a retard like Agamemnon, were narrowly saved so that they could see the broken husk of a man that was their patriarch do the God's will one final time by killing a bunch of his fellow Greeks for squatting in his abandoned home.Achilles was also let off easy. He died childless fighting for the vanity of Agamemnon, and got his twink cousin most painfully killed--it can be said that of all of the men in the war, only Hector was anything resembling noble, and Achilles murdered him and dishonored his corpse. Then he died in the most comical way possible, and was ushered down to an eternity of cuckoldry in the afterlife as a shade to whom all glory is a pale reflection.Both men are significant for having never done a single good, decent or honorable thing, but Odysseus I think is the more wicked for having inadvertantly created the millennium-long irony of the Trojans under Aeneas escaping to Italy, forming Rome, and then coming back and raping the Greeks. Exceptt of course that--as they were not cowards, like the Greeks--the Romans did not need a Trojan horse, they simply walked into Athens, killed all of Her cuckold men, raped all of her whore women, and enslaved all of her children--and in doing this they were entirely justified--again, for the murder of young Astyanax.
>>18551209Perseus
For me it's Sarpedon
>>18551627Highly autistic and motivated reasoning, with an appeal to some stupid ooc fanfiction to top it off?
>>18551209>Sing, Goddess, sing of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that murderous anger which condemned Achaeans to countless agonies and threw many warriors' souls into HadesYou're not really supposed to like Achilles, OP.The opening of the Iliad openly tells you that he's a tard-raging asshole who made everything worse.
>>18551689I admire all of those qualities
>>18551209I prefer Heracles.
>>18551632This. The Telegony was a reasonable ending to the Trojan Epic Cycle and the story of Odysseus, but retards who only read the Odyssey think otherwise.
>>18551713That picture is Samson though, tied to the pillars.
Aeneas, any other answer is shrimply wrong.
I'm more of a Odysseus fan because the Odyssey is way more iconic. There is no Super Mario Lylliade
>>18551720Aenas is crearly the GOAT.
>>18551627>the post Odyssey epic cycleliteral fanfiction, it rightly disappeared from print because it sucked
>>18551719I searched up Hercules statue and this is what I got
>>18551209I read the Iliad when I was 10 and thought it was weird how the most heroic character was on the losing side.
>>18551730You misunderstood heroism because we live in a post christcuck world
>>18551729It’s Judges 16:28/ 16:30
>>18551736Like the Christians, he is right. Achilles was a faggot who died like a cuck, for nothing. He has neither everlasting glory (because there is no such thing) nor the enjoyment of any of the spoils of his victory. He is, even in the ridiculous mythos of his own pagan people, locked in the eternal cuckshed of Hades as a shade.There is nothing worthy about him. Nothing to distinguish him from a particularly damaging chemical fire or a plague, except that unlike plagues which kill indiscriminately, Achilles is only known for killing good men to no positive end whatsoever.
For me, it's Jason and the Argonauts.
Hektor is the only real answer. Fought valiantly day in day out for that fruitcake Paris, never used trickery or thievery, always rallied his fellow men, loved his family like nothing else. Should've listened to them at the end, but he knew that it was his responsibility.Achilles will be forever hated for how he treated Hektor. Fucker just couldn't stand that his actions had consequences, Hektor did nothing wrong
tldr
If anyone is a coward it's Achilles. He was brutally mogged by some low level river God and needed external help IIRC.
>>18551768>died for nothingYou're here 3 millenia later talking about him. He's became immortal
>>18551677Based Sarpedon enjoyer
Lets be real here. Odysseus is a cuckhold
>>18551209>Are you an Odysseus man or a Achilles bro?Hector nigga.
>>18552171So has Hector, except everyone actually likes Hector, because Hector was an actual Hero, not some whiny cuck who died over someone else's woman.
>>18552248>let's be real, [headcanon]
>>18551327Dante's Odysseus is basically the opposite of Homer's. He decides that he doesn't give a crap about going home and seeing his family and he'd rather sail to the other side of the world just to see what he finds.
