The risorgimento is a farce. The mission to unify italy and turn it into a democratic, federal republic where regional customs, identities and economies were respected, like what was envisioned by Cattaneo and, to some extents, Mazzini, turned into a botched war of conquest on the part of piedmont and their savoy overlords. Not only it betrayed the trust and expectations of real nationalists, like they did with Garibaldi, but it was also a complete mess. Since Carlo Alberto, italy performed abysmally, being forced to concede territories to seek help from france early, and prussia later. The unification of italy was possible only through underhanded diplomacy and in the end what was Born was not an emergent power of the people, but a dysfunctional, poorly centralized and backward kingdom ruled by a dynasty of incompetent half french mongrels who wanted to rule paris for the last 300 years. No wonder italians today are so demoralized and disenfranchised of their own institutions. So much potential wasted.
>>18551409>being forced to concede territories to seek help from france earlyThose territories were French majority and a leftover vestige of the very monarchist trappings you're raging against.Decide whether you wanted a unified Italian nation state or a feudal relic before making a thread.
>>18551412Savona maybe, but Nizza was completely italian. Has been for centuries.
>>18551417>Savona Meant savoy
>real nationalists, like they did with Garibaldi, but it was also a complete messHe was a freemason and British agent.There are minutes from parliament detailing the contradiction of their financial and military support for his insurrection against their own allies.
You forgot about the part where he was enabled financially by international Freemasonry and the Bank of Scotland. And copious British credit too, the "Garibaldi Special Fund Committee" and "British Legion".Also the part where they basically created the Mafia by empowering murderous criminals as enforcers who were interested in overturning the old order which kept them in check.You know that scene in the Godfather part II where Vito is a young kid and they kill his older brother during the funeral procession of his father?That head honcho guy who had is mother killed too was really one of Garibaldi's goons.The more you know.
>>18551424https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1861-06-28/debates/a22d26b0-c241-462f-a480-18c621eb5d7f/TheGaribaldiFundThat was a case in point; a fund was being raised for the purpose of exciting revolution in a foreign country with which we were in alliance. The late Attorney General (now the Lord Chancellor) spoke more strongly. He said—"I quite agree, therefore, that according to the common law of England any subjects of the Queen who, either directly or indirectly, may supply money in aid of the revolt of subjects of any nation or Power with whom we are in alliance commit an offence at common law. …. An hon. Gentleman has said that the committee formed for the collection of subscriptions is open to an indictment for conspiracy. I must, however, observe that, according to the papers, almost the whole of that committee is constituted of foreigners. Now, I do not mean to say that the principle of the law does not extend its prohibition to all persons who are permanently resident in this kingdom, and who owe allegiance to, as they receive protection from, the Crown, but I do not believe that principle has ever been established upon authority."—[3 Hansard, clviii. 1381–1383.]"
>>18551427"They knew from the accounts sent home by The Times' correspondent, that there was anarchy in Naples and Sicily, and that in those countries there was no law at all. The loyal subjects of the King of Naples who endeavoured to maintain their rights were called "brigands;" but call them what they might, there was no doubt that the people were opposed to the Piedmontese, and that the latter had shot scores—hundreds of men for no crime but loyalty. It was equally certain that the prisons were full. One viceroy after another had been sent from Turin to keep the peace in those countries, and yet there was no safety for life or property.That was the liberty which the noble Lord's friends had brought to the people of Southern Italy; that was the freedom which that people were forced to accept by the bullet and the bayonet. That the votes for annexation were mere folly and delusion was perfectly well known. The noble Lord was aware of it. He knew that they were worth as much as, and not more than, the votes received for the annexation of Nice and Savoy. Everything which had happened since the annexation itself showed how worthless was that ceremony of taking votes, and that the votes themselves did not express the feelings of the people. All that had occurred since showed that the people desired the return of the Sovereign, and they would yet see his return. The people were at present very cruelly treated; and, therefore, his observations bore directly on the Motion of his hon. Friend, because they went to show that if hon. Gentlemen to whom the Motion alluded were banded together for the purpose of aiding in the further conquest of Italy by the Piedmontese, they were banded together to extend the same system of cruelty, dishonesty, and revolutionary aggression which now prevailed in what was called the Kingdom of Italy, in Sicily, and Naples. The state of things now existing in the South of Italy could not last, and ought not to last. ..."
>GaribaldiBritish warships literally escorted his landing ships during the expedition of the thousand, so that the Bourbon ships nearby were deterred from interdiction.Their royal navy also provided crucial logistical support during the process, an entire "British Legion" of volunteers fought for them contra the Foreign Enlistment Act.A media darling, the propaganda issued by the British press pressured officials to look the other way while this crime transpired.The secret diplomacy between Piedmont and the British is what really enabled him. They signed highly favorable trade agreements to secure British support.He was nothing more than an imperial proxy.Deal with it.
>>18551424>>18551442calling garibaldi an imerial proxy or a british agent is a gross oversemplification. he always acted on his own during the conquest. as a matter of fact, i don't recall britain ever trying to occupy italy or stronghand themselves into controlling their political class, and they never did. what garibaldi did was simply appealing to his overwhelmingly favourable popularity amongst many countries outside italy, britain being one of them.
>>18551482Popularity in the media.
>>18551417The native language of Nice is Occitan, which is to be considered a form of French
>>18551566so what? fiume was built by romans and inhabited by venetians for centuries, but after ww2 and tito barely a handful of italians remain, same goes for pola and zara. just because there are no italians left, therefore nobody speaks italian, doesn't mean it wasn't italian clay.
>>18551421Yeah he was such a british agent that Grant tried to enlist him as an officer of the union in 1864, only to be rejected because Garibaldi esclusively fought for ideological reasons and demanded washington to label the civil war a war against slavery in order for him to join.
>>18551951If there are no Italians then it is indeed not Italian
>>18552023Oh wait, you mean a British agent wouldn't fight for the union on some ridiculous nonsense excuse?You mean an agent of the same government that very seriously considered throwing in openly for the confederacy and offered them lots of clandestine support regardless?No way!
>>18552130The point is that it USED to be. And by the time the savoy gave nice to france, it was very much italian.
>>18552478Nigger you don't know Garibaldi. He fought in Brasil and Uruguay after his exile, he was always a freedom fighter. Is it too hard for you to figure some people are genuinely idealistic? Must everything be all a fucking conspiracy theory?
>>18552490What language was spoken there then?
>>18552501This onehttps://youtu.be/DbAuRVxT-F0?t=113&si=-QjdOBJVi9R0_eYk
>>18552506Answer in a single word: what language did the native inhabitants of Nice speak in the 19th century
>>18552514Nissart, a Occitan dialectYou should know this by now.
>>18552536So, it is French
>>18552551No. French just northern "Paris" speaker
>>18552558The Occitan language is considered to be a dialect of French in national terms
>>18552563National, as in revisionist identity. Linguists knew it as a separate language.
>>18552607Sure but multiple languages are associated with the nation of France in this context and Occitan is chiefly French in nature
>>18552497lmao>Rio de la Plata blockade being relevant>In 1846, Britain deployed the 73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot to Montevideo. Alongside French, Spanish, and Italian legionnaires (including Giuseppe Garibaldi), British troops actively defended the city against invading Argentine forces.>Beyond official military involvement, the British merchant community of Uruguay heavily influenced the conflict. Operating primarily out of Montevideo, British merchants acted as financiers, lobbyists, and suppliers, hoping to secure favorable economic terms. While Britain’s formal military role ended in 1850, this era laid the groundwork for robust economic investment and lasting cultural ties in later decades ...pure coincidenceThe British were systematically expanding their export markets by breaking the mercantilist protectionism of Spain over the colonies.In fact, this would result in the disastrous underdevelopment of LatAm industry for almost the entire 19th century.This isn't a conspiracy theory, it was a real international masonic conspiracy and you're just trying to handwave it all away when the receipts aren't even controversial at this point. Like, every single nationalist uprising in the 19th century was masonic. That's not even an exaggeration, just one of those inconvenient truths certain educators prefer to ignore.Does everything have to be a conspiracy?No, but it very often is anyways.
Just going to leave this here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_intervention_in_Spanish_American_independence
>>18552838there isn't a single document that proves garibaldi worked for the british government, not a single letter. by now they should've been unearthed in some archive, don't you think? all you have are tinfoil conspiracies. the fact that garibaldi was loved in britain is exactly because his interests were aligned, for different reasons, to the crown of england.
>>18552838>>18553472>Like, every single nationalist uprising in the 19th century was masonic.It's most curious that nationalist, liberal organizations would support national liberation and the erosion of colonial power (of nations other than their own, mind).
>>18552838Its just latinx slumdog cope, the truth is they inherited spain's abhorrence towards any lifestyle that wasn't larping as a quasi-feudal hacendado and 'enjoyed' the inevitable consequences
>>18552611It not entirely French, same way Spanish/Russian/Danish and Ukrainian/Portuguese/Swedish are distinguish
>>18553500there's an argentinian here of southern italian origins, he lurks /his/ and /int/ and makes anti italian threads for some reasons.
>>18553640There is no other national identity for Occitan speakers, they have been French for 1300+ years
>>18553645Nope, they see themselves as neo-Gaulish
>>18552841Laugh in Napoleonichttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate
>>18553669There is at best 5 people in the entire territory of France who would describe themselves this way and all of them spend minimum 6 hours a day on Twitter
