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I came to a bunch of conclusions about reality and the self that are very painful to me and i feel compelled to write about it somewhere other people can see and comment on them.

For the purpose of this post treat any statement as an approximation.

Please don't interact with this with claims about supernatural entities, i no longer believe in them and you are not going to change my mind.


1) Nothing exists except all of reality, any analysis and framework that looks at smaller subsections of reality are arbitrary and incomplete, this also means that accurately describing what existence is at the end is impossible. We will never arrive at a defenitive conclusion about anything.
[Math is a precise and intuitive model of analysis but it has limits (it's impossible to write Pi in it's enterity, mathematical spheres are not real)].
2) Humans brains are information processing machines, like an LLM running on a computer, the main differences is that we constantly process stimuli, we process the memory of our information processing.


3) The human brain is the sum of of the neurons and neurotransmitters, the mind is the result of these 2 interacting.

Neurons inside the brain change, get mantained and die all the time, this means that the brain is a Ship of Theseus that changes all the time and is different from moment to moment.

There is no fixed "you" the "self" as a singular unchanging thing is an illusion created by memories.
4) The sensation of the passage of time is an illusion generated by the rate of information processing of our brains, for example when you sleep and wake the day after you don't remember all the hours that passed and you have the illusion of a "time-skip".
This probably means that Eternalism is a mostly correct interpretation of time and thus Superdeterminism is also a mostly true interpretation of reality.


5) Most of our intuitive frameworks to interpret reality are intuitive to us only because they are useful to pass on our genes.
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6) the reason these things are distressing to me is bacause they activate the neural pathways in my brain that are associated with the concept of death and the reason i'm feeling better while writing this is because the acting of posting this activate the parts of my brain that tell the rest of my brain that i'm doing something to avoid death


I hate this fucking reality.
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>babby's first existential crisis
who gives a shit bro, just find some nice porn to jack off to, some nice food to eat, and take a nice nap
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i've never seen an old person say they're afraid to die
like a 90 year old saying "noooo noooo not like this i had so much more i wanted to do"
wonder whether there's something chemical in the brain that stops the fear of death with age or what
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>>18551455
As your body and brain deteriorate, continuing to live starts to feel like a net negative, and you look forward to the change of pace that dying will bring, whether it turns out to be a neutral nothing, an afterlife, rebirth, or a total unknown.

t. 29 year old who is already looking forward to death
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>>18551448

i've been trying

>>18551455
my 90 y old grandma is pretty scared of dying
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>>18551448
>dude like jerk off
How about I fucking kill you? Then what?
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>>18551459
Lose some weight.
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>>18551491
I've always been underweight. There are about a billion ways your health can fail aside from obesity, and only a subset of them are realistically preventable by the individual.
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>>18551470
>my 90 y old grandma is pretty scared of dying
tell us more
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>>18551436
You're half correct and half an idiot
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>>18551475
Man you really do need to jerk off.
Porn. Now.
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>>18551528

i mean what's to tell. she told me that she doesn't want to stop beign alive.

>>18551537

you are free to tell me where i'm wrong
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>>18551455
>i've never seen an old person say they're afraid to die
lol
Try working in hospice care.
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OP I think you may be a p-zombie
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>>18553365

(op here) if a p-zombie is physically identical to a real person either they are both p-zombies or they are both real persons, there is verifiable difference
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>>18553995

*there is no verifiable difference
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>>18553365
p zombies are metaphysically and logically impossible
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>>18551436
Who you are is retroactively produced by the way you act. We are the gap between all identities we can assume. Thinking about an identity is a waste of time but it's a useful illusion we all use to engage in society
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>>18554007


(op here)


I mostly agree but i have only have a small reframing to make here, what "i" am is the state of "me" system : [brain + rest of my body (assuming i am not a boltzmann observer or something similar)] in any given discrete moment that is determined by the the previous state of the system and it's relation to all variables that influenced it in a deterministic manner.


Other frameworks are still accurate but less accurate than this, of course for everyday life we use yours but the way you used "act" felt like you were implying free will.
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>>18551436
>The sensation of the passage of time is an illusion.
>So Eternalism and Superdeterminism are true.

Huh?

>>18551443
You're just reducing everything to the fear of death? Just like having these thoughts increased it, having other toughts may decrease it, forget them and retry.
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>>18551436
>I came to a bunch of conclusions about reality and the self that are very painful to me
>Humans brains are information processing machines, like an LLM
>The human brain is the sum of of the neurons and neurotransmitters, the mind is the result of these 2 interacting.
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>>18554028
>(op here)
>what "i" am is the state of "me" system : [brain + rest of my body (assuming i am not a boltzmann observer or something similar)] in any given discrete moment that is determined by the the previous state of the system and it's relation to all variables that influenced it in a deterministic manner.
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>>18551436
>>18551443

You didn't prove there is no fixed "you". You just proved that reducing the substrate of the self to cells and chemicals doesn't disclose "you". And you even reflected ahead of time why this would be:
>>>any analysis and framework that looks at smaller subsections of reality are arbitrary and incomplete

>4) The sensation of the passage of time is an illusion ...
>This probably means that Eternalism is a mostly correct
No, it means that you don't disprove eternalism by mere sensations.

>5) Most of our intuitive frameworks to interpret reality are intuitive to us only because they are useful to pass on our genes.
I would once again remind you your initial insight:
>>>any analysis and framework that looks at smaller subsections of reality are arbitrary and incomplete
The selfish gene narrative is so reductive that even its author, the big Dawk, admitted that the reverse framing is equally sustainable - one where genes are involuntary prisoners of organisms that use them to their own ends.

>I hate this fucking reality.
I'm sorry to hear that. But if you use philosophy as a rationalization tool, this feeling will never go away. Use philosophy to discover the premises you weren't consciously admitting to yourself and then test them. It's one of the very few ways out.
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>>18554558

funny but if i am wrong here i would like to know why.
>>18554569

I'll start by saying that i completely agree with your response to point 4. Regarding the issue of the fixed "you" and the framework i have been using however i have something more to say. We could imagine a more precise (compared to most models we use in the day to day) rappresentation of reality as an imperfect but stll extremely accurate Laplace's demon that describes reality by measuring and then writing down the position, type and momentum of each atom across a period of time that matters at a human scale, 40 years, at this level of description i am just a collection of self sustaining patterns using atoms as the substrate, there is no fixed you, how could it be, i am just a pattern in atoms, a pattern that is never perfectly identical to itself, using always different atoms.
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>>18554720
also i'm sorry if i am not making much sense to you, it's late very late at night, i could also describe my view as a pessimist interpretation of the teleport paradox given that any state change could be described as a mini teleport; is not that only psychological connectedness,nothing matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox
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>>18551436
Point to the part of the brain that allows you to subjectively perceive the color red. Point to the part of the brain that gives you the inner sense of deliberation.
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>>18554749

>PZombieSeething.png


OK LMAO.


To awnser to part of your argument, since i'm not a neuroscientist
1) there is no further subjective observer except the brain, when a red light (we'll assume more or less 650 mm wavelenght) hits your eyes it generates a signal that activates various parts of your brain in at different levels compared to other colors on the visible spectrum.

One thing that just stood out to me even if not relevant to your point, you will note how the expereince of red is different every time, when you look at something red there are a lot of other contextual stimuli at the moment of perception, this means that there is no unique "red" qualia.
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>>18554788
But why is there anything at all? Why is it rendered upon this private space as it were? My point is, we could have the most advanced models of how the brain processes all those things, but we will never be able to answer fundamentally why any of it "appears" at all. Why did evolution favor an interior experience over complicated bullshit in the dark like an advanced AI robot made out of the same life we are? There is something simply inexplicable there.
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>>18554788
>>18554816
Also, how do you prove I am not a bot? It is an impossible task. We can't know of someone's first person with third person methods. The best we can hope for is imitating the machinery of it and hoping the "thing" happens although we have no reason to suspect it has consciousness like us.
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>>18554828


(op here)
In theory we could modify your brain until It is almost identical (except long term memory areas) to someone elses and you could compare the experiences that you have now with the memories that you have of similar experiences from before having your brain modified.
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>>18551436
>Ship of Theseus
Most neurons last a lifetime: The vast majority of neurons in the human brain (especially in the cerebral cortex) are post-mitotic. This means that they don't divide, and are generally as old as you are.
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>>18551436
>I
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