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There seems to be an idea online that the Jews of today are impostors and that the true descendants of the ancient Hebrews are Europeans, each European ethnic group being the successor of one of the lost tribes of Israel. This idea is usually presented, without any evidence, in response to a European person who wants to follow his own ancient ancestors' spiritual traditions instead of a Semitic religion from the Middle East, or in a foolhardy attempt to make Christianity compatible with White Nationalism.
The most obvious problem with this notion is linguistic inconsistency, with the old testament being written in a Semitic language with no relation to any of the languages in Europe.
The other reason, which is primarily why I wanted to make this thread, is that it seems the people promoting this idea have never read The Bible, or even looked at the names of books. In both testaments of the Bible, European peoples are very much present. Romans, Greeks, Galatians (Celts/Gauls), and Hittites (Indo-European Anatolians) are all talked in length, as clearly foreign peoples to the Israelites, not their descendants or relatives.
Semitic peoples are related to Europeans insofar as both are part of the broad West-Eurasian genetic cluster, but that is where the similarities end. I do not believe I had a notable number of Semitic ancestors, if any at all. All my ancestors, as far as I can tell, were either Romans or Franks. These peoples have sufficiently rich histories, and I do not feel the need to claim to be a descendant of a Semitic people or any other peoples, especially when there is no evidence for such a claim, and plenty of evidence against it.
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>>18551735
>an idea online
This idea is older than the internet. It survives in Christian Identitarian micro cults in the American South that primarily function by recruiting people from the prison system. You also are not going to convince anyone with this post. Trust me.
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>>18551735
>I do not feel the need to claim to be a descendant of a Semitic people
And neither did Europeans but Christian Identity goes back to when Jews were promoting British Israelism in order to be let back into Britain. If you want to make everyone involved uncomfortable, just point that out repeatedly.
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OP here. Also I'd like to use this thread as an opportunity to talk about my god Shiva.
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>>18551738
NTA
The funny thing is that despite being older than the internet it is not older than the telephone (maybe even the Radio). It may, funnily enough be predated by Black Israelism by a few decades.
Also iirc they aren't just in the South, they exist everywhere in the U.S/Canada back country (probably elsewhere by now). Famously, the Aryan Nations had a compound in Idaho.
>>18551784
Not only does British Israelism as a movement post date Jewish Re-entry into Britain (and them being granted civil rights, at that) the idea's roots lie mostly within protestantism's bizarre tendency toward philosemitism, the (wealthy, secular) Jews more or less just rode the wave (not the last time they'd do this).
It's also very different in essence from Christian identity proper. As I see it Christian identity is an attempt to reconcile the contradiction of being a racial anti-semite (literal origin of the term) while still being a Christian.
Unless you were talking about Gale here who might have been Jewish.
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nobody actually believes that bs it's all transgressive optics (ie edgy faggotry)
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>>18551735
Europeans aren't ancient Israelites, but neither are modern Jews.
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British Israelite-ism came out of 19th century racial theories where they noticed that the present-day Middle East was a dusty, impoverished shithole and wondered how the inhabitants could have created the great civilizations of antiquity, so they surmised that Ramesses II and Hammurabi were white guys with blonde hair and blue eyes and that the Middle East's original stock was replaced by indolent brown people.
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>>18552205
Where did Mizrahi Jews come from then?
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>>18552224
ditto they also concluded ancient Greeks were not modern Greeks
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>>18551735
You can tell them by their history of circumcision, which white European nations have none.
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>>18552224
>>18552229
Blonde hair and blue eyes as typical traits emerged specifically as an adaptation to cooler climates in Northern Europe. Most people around the Mediterranean have always had dark hair, brown to green eyes, and skin that tans in the sun and doesn't burn, but there were and still are some fairer blonde individuals in the European Mediterranean. A lighter complexion was a sign of nobility in ancient Southern Europe, because fair skin indicates that you spend less time working in the sun, and blonde hair was considered beautiful and rare.
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>>18552226
those are mostly Arab converts and some who LARPed as Jews to move to Israel. Judaism prior to the 2nd millenium was a proselytizing religion.
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>>18551735
Christianity was amalgamized from the various religious movements in the Roman world so it is neither exactly European or Middle Eastern but has pieces cobbled from both.
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>>18551735
Name anyone with a better claim that they are the children of God.
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>>18552309
>Implying that Israelites were ever the "children of God"
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>>18552309
All living beings are children of God, because God is synonymous with the reality and the originator of life itself, not the Semitic storm deity described in the Bible.
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>>18551735
No one thinks this other than extremely retarded white nationalists.
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>>18551735
Europeans didn’t start doing pic rel until Jews and Christians showed up.
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>>18551796
Ok sar Jesus is king sar
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>>18552371
>>18552375
I see you have not named anyone with a better claim, and that is because there are none others who can make a credible claim to being of God.
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>>18552309
>>18552911
>playing directly into jewish ideas



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