Why is it called the Spanish empire and not the Austrian empire? It was Germany and Austria who were strongs, Spain just benefitted from it, like the modern EU.
other way around, Austria got control of Spain through intermarriage and taking over the monarchy then ruined Spain by making it fight Austria's wars on the continent for gibs
>>18551937Ok but it was still an Austrian empire, Spain was a mere pawn of their german masters, as always
>>18551936Inheriting Spain was the real reason the Habsburg could even attempt to fight France, Austria itself was poor and generated little to no revenue in comparison. They were kept afloat entirely by borrowing money from Jacob Fugger until the treasure fleets starting bringing in gold.
>>18551937The Habsburgs weren't "Austria", Austria was an irrelevant shithole. They were Burgundians if anything, but later the Burgundian identity merged with the Castillan one more than it did with the German one. This is why the cross of Burgundy nowadays is viewed as a Spanish symbol.>>18551940Pretty much on point. Germans were the ones who lived at the expanse of the Spaniards who had to pay for their incompetence in gold and men
>>18551936Cause the high majority of it's territory were holdings of the Spanish lineage. Some refer to it as the Hapsburg Empire to better reflect the connection.
>>18551936Because it is best known for the vast holdings in America and Castilians(Spanish speakers) mogged everyone else during unification so they had more administrative leverage. That's why basically nobody in that region speaks basque or extramaduran dialect despite being conquered by people from both regions as well as Castile.
>>18551948>This is why the cross of Burgundy nowadays is viewed as a Spanish symbolsounds more like a cuck stamp 2bh
>>18551997Why does everything have to be about cuck pornography with you people?
>>18551936The map is very innacurate
>>18551936>"Spanish">includes HRE>includes Portugal
>>18551936Did any Germans actually explore the rest of the world on the behalf of the Spanish Empire? And did they do that in any comparable amount to Spaniards? You can't really call it an Austrian or Habsburg Empire, if that isn't the case. None of the colonies spoke German ...
>>18552167Because that is evidently the most natural way to view the world
>>18551936>Why is it called the Spanish empire and not the Austrian empire? It was Germany and Austria who were strongs, Spain just benefitted from it, like the modern EU.“The Spaniards held a clear superiority over other peoples: their language was spoken in Paris, Vienna, Milan, and Turin; their fashions, as well as their ways of thinking and writing, captivated Italian minds; and from the time of Charles V until the beginning of Philip III’s reign, Spain commanded a level of regard that the other nations lacked.” — Voltaire.
>>18552397>their language was spoken in Paris, Vienna, Milan, and TurinThis never happened
>>18552552>>their language was spoken in Paris, Vienna, Milan, and Turin>This never happenedOf course it happened. Voltaire simply noted that the Spanish was the fashionable language of the European aristocracy, royal courts, and cultural elite back then. Knowing how to speak it was seen as a mark of distinction and courtly grace (much like French would be in Russia centuries later, for instance). Its unofficial proclamation as a language of prestige came when Charles V challenged the French King, Francis I, in the presence of the European diplomatic elite—including the Pope. Everyone expected a speech in Latin, yet it was delivered in Spanish. This annoyed the French delegation; an offended Bishop Maçon remarked that he had understood nothing (which, incidentally, was true), to which Charles I replied: "Bishop, understand me if you will, but expect no words from me other than those of my Spanish tongue—a language so noble that it deserves to be known and understood by all Christian people." Spaniards of that era were recognized by their black attire, their fondness for horses, and their refusal to speak any language other than their own (much like modern-day Yankees, one might say). When Charles defeated the Protestants at Mühlberg, the German princes and lords acknowledged his authority by addressing him in Spanish—precisely to curry favor with him.
>>18552826>Spanish was the fashionable language of the European aristocracy, royal courts, and cultural eliteIt never was this
>>18552552Not by the common people but it was spoken among the litterate upper classes.
>>18552861They spoke just about anything, you can tell Spanish was comparatively irrelevant by the lack of Spanish loanwords in other languages
>>18552836The Golden Age Spanish theater was the most refined of its time (16-17th century). The French theater of Le Grand Siècle is directly inspired by it, hence why some of its most iconic pieces like Le Cid by Corneille or Don Juan by Molière are direct adaptation of well known Spanish worksMilan was part of the Spanish crown so it's natural that Spanish would be spoken there beyond the reasons mentionned aboveAs for Vienna it received a lot of influence due to the Spanish branch being the predominant one and again because of the prestige if Spanish culture at the time compared to the nigh non existant german one. It was in fact not only common to hear Castillan in Vienna's court, but Catalan as well
>>18552872That's because Spanish is close to French and Latin so there were no need to import words that were similar to already existing ones but otherwise plenty of world related to the new world (eg Tomato) or of Arabic origins entered the European lexicon through Castillan. Some commonly used word like Comrade or Ranch are also of Spanish origin.
>>18552881That's either as mediators for Arabic scientific concepts or to describe uniquely American concepts, nothing like with French where native words get displaced by unnecessary French words to appear more cultured
>>18552901>>18552901>French where native words get displaced by unnecessary French words to appear more culturedThis happened because the Normans conquered Britain and established a ruthless class system. Nobody here claimed Spain did anything of the sort.
>>18551994>Vast holdings in AmericaWhat, Florida? Because last I checked, that was the only territory settled by Spain in America. Everything south of Texas gets filed under the savage lands of Not-America, no matter what they call their shitty brown continent.
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>>18552932Tik tok on the clock but the party don't stop - Oh oh oh oh ~
>>18552915I am referring to other European languages
>>18552970Nobody said that Spanish had the same longstanding impact of French, only that in a certain period of time it enjoyed a great prestigeFrench has been since the middle ages to the first world war the lingua franca (duh) of Europe
>>18551937Austria until the 19fucking60s was a geographical expression. The actual power resided within the Hapsburg family which split in two, the Spanish and German branches.
>>18551994Castilians lost
>>18552970>>18552872As a South Italian I can tell you that Southern Italian dialects have massive Spanish and Catalan influences. Especially Neapolitan. Spain and the Spanish culture were very influential on South Italy.
>>18553094The revolt was supressed by Castillans nobles who had initially supported the uprising when it started to take the form of a bourgeois merchant rebellion. Ultimately it achieved its goal which was to remove the foreigners who tried to take advantage of the succesion to hold sway on the country. By the time Philip II ascended to the throne his court was almost entirely Spanish to the point where most foreigners were "just" Portuguese
>>18553134There's no such thing as Spanish. Philip II was Flemish and Portuguese, born to Charles of Ghent and Isabella of Portugal. Castilians have been ruled by foreigners since 1516. Pathetic
>>18551936>Why is it called the Spanish empire and not the Austrian empire?«SPANISH EMPIRE» IS A VULGAR MISNOMER; THE ACTUAL HISTORICAL NAME WAS «CATHOLICAL MONARCHY»; THE FULL CORRECT NAME IS «CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY».>It was Germany and Austria who were strongs, Spain just benefitted from it, like the modern EU.?NO; THE OBVERSE, ACTUALLY: THE HOLY ROMAN GERMANIC EMPIRE, AND THE AUSTRIAN HABSBURGS, BENEFITTED FROM THE CATHOLICAL MONARCHY, WHICH WAS AN ENTITY IN AND OF ITSELF, AND THE UNIVERSAL HEGEMONICAL POLITICAL POWER FROM THE XVI TO THE XIX CENTURIES.
>>18553289>THE AUSTRIAN HABSBURGSIf the Spanish were so great, why did they choose to marry Portuguese princesses instead?
>>18551936The King of Spain became German Emperor, you dumb fuck, so it was Spain controlling Austria not the othr way
>>18553296German bankers controlled Austria and bankrolled Spain, until they choked on American silver
>>18553281Isabella was the daughter of a spaniard (and a portuguese with spanish ancestry too). Charles was the son of a spaniard and a man with strong spanish ancestry too. This anti-spanish crusade is simply ridiculous (and says a lot about you).>>18553295>If the Spanish were so great, why did they choose to marry Portuguese princesses instead?Eleanor was the son of a spaniard and a portuguese with spanish ancestry.
>>18553310>Iberian (Spanish/Portuguese)lmao cope
>>18553310>portuguese with spanish ancestry.No such thing
>>18553312Childish behaviour, as expected... Of course they were the same. The Iberian Union was a logical conclusion and should have continued. However, it did not suit certain powers outside the peninsula for such a great force to consolidate; they consistently sowed discord between the two brothers, leading to the well-known consequences.
>>18553310>blocks your path
>>18553123That's reasonable because you were under direct Spanish occupation for centuries, but in Germany there is absolute 0 Spanish influence
>>18553321>However, it did not suit certain powers outside the peninsula for such a great force to consolidateYou mean Castilian stupidity and arrogance? Is there a difference between an Olivares and a Godoy? Castilians are just cursed and can't help but shoot themselves in the foot
>>18553317>>portuguese with spanish ancestry.>No such thingRead more...Ah, so you’re that obsessed Portuguese guy who won’t stop posting that meme. You might fool some naive person here, but the problem is that people eventually travel and see for themselves that, regarding phenotypes, it's actually the other way around.
>>18553326Whatever you say, gitano
>>18553323>but in Germany there is absolute 0 Spanish influenceEast Frisia: Under direct control or strong military influence during the Flanders campaigns. Areas of Rhineland-Palatinate: Strategically occupied cities and fortresses along the Rhine to secure the "Spanish Road."Silesia: troop presence and rulers coordinating with Madrid. The Lower Rhine: Various border enclaves temporarily integrated into the administration of the Spanish Netherlands.
>>18553326Are maketos even self-aware?
>>18553340And yet there is 0 influence
>>18553345When is Spain going to apologize to the Netherlands, Portugal and Southern Italy, not to mention Latin America? Catalans already apologized to Greece Will it take Castilians a couple more centuries?https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/04/catalans-on-mount-athos/
>>18553317Portuguese are notably brownwer that spaniards
>>18553355Must be Spaniards on vacation. How can they be noticeably "browner" if they're supposedly the same?
>>18553345>And yet there is 0 influenceTell that to Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Schlegel (both), Tieck, Novalis, Hegel, Goethe, Eichendorff, Hoffmannsthal, E.T.A. Hoffmann...It is very sad to see people on the internet flaunting their ignorance—and doing so with an air of arrogance, no less. Dark days indeed...
>>18552285You know I've always desired to talk with a chimpanzee.
>>18553359>How can they be noticeably "browner" if they're supposedly the same?Something happened later on... Read more.
>>18553364What happened?
>>18553367Angola, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Santo Tomé y Príncipe... That happened.
>>18553362?
>>18553370>?
>>18553369What do African colonies have to do with the Portuguese? You're one of those that think António Costa is Portuguese?
>>18551936Spain was more or less the engine of the whole thing. But people tend to call the whole thing the Habsburg empire to denote it wasn't just Spain, only mostly Spain. The Spanish empire mostly means the territory beholden to the Spanish Crown directly (Aka, Spain, its colonies, and Italy.)>>18552932And New Mexico, and California, and Texas, and Louisiana, and a little bit of Missouri. These last two only for a few years.
>>18553370>?Read them and you will know.
>>18553378>your brain on Spanish propaganda
>>18553378What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
>>18553376The irony is that the Habsburgs didn't really care about America, except for the silver. The reforms came with the Bourbons after Spain lost all its European territories in the succession war
>>18553383>What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidenceEvidence is in their works.
>>18553391>I made it up
>>18553382Nothing so involved. Spain just had a really bad 19th century which more or less helped everyone forget. Even as late as the 1830s Carlyle still had nice things to say about them in the past. German's used to read Gracián.>>18553389And everyone was more or less better for it.
>>18553398>Spain just had a really bad 19th centuryAfter centuries of rapine, they got off easy. And it was entirely self-inflicted. They trusted Napoleon not to rape them, after counting on him to rape Portugal together https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fontainebleau_(October_1807)Later, they could have kept their colonies if the king didn't go full mask off and ripped up the 1812 constitutionSpain is cursed
>>18553317Bait
>>18553424You will never be Galego
>>18553323>but in Germany there is absolute 0 Spanish influenceAustria (and by extension the rest of the southern Catholic Germany) definitely has some strong Spanish infuence, Spengler himself wrote about it. I will post it later if I don't forget till then
>>18553403Didn't this guy bring in the French just after they'd all left because he had a temper tantrum about his power being limited?
>>18553460No, lmao
>>18553403>Later, they could have kept their colonies if the king didn't go full mask off and ripped up the 1812 constitutionIn fact the colonies were already starting to revolt before Napoleon invasion.The moment the USA became independent it was obvious that it was going to give some ideas to the countries south of them. It was inevitable, it could have only be delayed by a decade or two at most and it wouldn't have necessarily been a good thing.
>>18553462He was a traitorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Thousand_Sons_of_Saint_Louis
>>18553464>The Austrian people is Spanish and Habsburg by nature, whether there are living members of the Habsburg family or not. Austrian thinkers may deny this, but Austrian instinct confirms it. Spanish Germany, represented by the Imperial Court, met its defeat in 1648 at the hands of French Germany, i.e., the multitude of individual princes. From then on these princes chose to think, live, and act according to the particularist and provincial style of Versailles, their ambitions limited to minor extensions of their private borders, their ears deaf to major plans of conquest. The climax of Spanish ambition was reached when Wallenstein proposed the march on Constantinople and the transformation of the Baltic Sea into a base for the Spanish fleet. His defection and fall mark the turning point. Spanish-French Germany was defeated at Könniggrätz. Yet even as late as 1914, Austria’s declaration of war against Serbia was a diplomatic move staged in the Spanish cabinet manner of the sixteenth century. England, on the other hand, did not declare the World War in this fashion, but forced its outbreak by means of tactically superior techniques developed during the nineteenth century.But I assume anon who is likely posting from a slum in america know better than Spengler and Voltaire eh
>>18553501>unsourced schizobabbleI live in Hesse
>>18553503What's your opinion on this guy?
>>18553503Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler>Hesse>City where 40% of the population if of non european immigrant backgroundSo you live in a slum, but in Goymany
>>18553515Good, critical support to anyone who opposes papism>>18553517>>Hesse>>CityKek
>>18553517Forget it it's not a city, it's a whole fucking state, even worse lolcooked countrythe best thing about germany is that it's never going to get better, it will only get worse
You can easily tell that most of the hispanistas here are latinxers instead of actual Spaniards.
>>18553527i'm an actual spaniard faggot and yeah all those latinx have to go but this don't change that :1) You lost the argument2) Germany is terminally cooked (notice how there isn't a single region who reach 40% here!)
>>18553539Unfortunately for you I am not German, that's another guy.And last I hear the Caudilo has given the clearance for free Spanish citizenship for everyone.After all, tourists out, refugees welcome.
>>18553542>After all, tourists out, refugees welcome.This but unironicallyI'd rather have our spiritual brothers from latin america who do shitty jobs to pay for my dole while I play Final Fantasy VII with my cousin Manolo all day than fucking guiris who just piss and shit in the streets and get drunk
>>18551936Because they were separate states with separate rulers after Charles V. Mught as well ask why the Bourbon Kingdom of Spain wasn't called the Kingdom of France.
>>18552285This is like that nigger who had such fantasies about being a black slave who gets raped by white men that he made a fictional documentary about buck breaking.
>>18551936All the conquistadors who forged the Spanish Empire were Spaniards. Hernan Cortes, Francisco Pizarro, Pedro de Alvarado, Gonzalo Jiménez de Quesada, Hernando de Soto, Francisco Vázquez de Coronado, Juan Ponce de León, Vasco Núñez de Balboa, Pedro de Valdivia, Diego de Almagro, all Spaniards.
>>18553847They were Castilians
>>18551948>The Habsburgs weren't "Austria", Austria was an irrelevant shithole.Yeah, the "Austrian" Habsburgs didn't even give a fuck about Austria until like after the Napoleonic Wars. Before that, Bohemia was the most important region of the Habsburg Monarchy and Prague was their seat of government.Bohemia was the true powerhouse of the Empire.
>>18553389>The irony is that the Habsburgs didn't really care about America, except for the silver. The reforms came with the BourbonsReforms that actually pissed everyone in America and ultimately caused the rebellion of the colonies. The Bourbons were massive retards and the Habsburgs always had the right approach. Just let the Americans do whatever the fuck they wanted as long as they pay their taxes (the Quinto Real) and call it a day.
>>18554756>ultimately caused the rebellion of the coloniesShouldn't have expelled those Jesuits
>>18554831Unironically yes, the Jesuits did nothing wrong.
>>18551936I just learned something new on 4chan
