>>18552277
O company of jinn and men, if ye have power to penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! Ye will never save with Our sanction.
Do not strut arrogantly about this earth:
you cannot break it open, nor match the mountains in height.

>>18552277
Quranism is the future. Reject hadith, embrace quran.

>>18552340
>My faithful servant's reward from Me, if I have taken to Me his best-friend from amongst the inhabitants of the world and he has borne it patiently for My sake, shall be nothing less than Paradise. (Hadith -Qudsi 29)

>O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not.
>He will say: O Lord, how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds?
>"Did you not know that My servant had fallen ill and you visited him not?"
>O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not.
>He will say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the worlds?
>"Did you not know that My servant asked you for food and you fed him not?."
It was related by Sahih Muslim (Hadith Qudsi 18)

>>18552340
Extremely based. The Quran is the Word of God.

>>18552350
The Hadith books are not the Word of God.

>>18552340
>>18552427
>O believers!
>Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal,
>do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready.
>But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺.
>Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk.
>Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave.
>But Allah is never shy of the truth.
>And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier.
>This is purer for your hearts and theirs.
>And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah,
>nor ever marry his wives after him.
>This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah.

>>18552566
Yeah? Qur'an doesn't just cover theology and eschatology. It also covers marriage laws, social customs and etiquette; especially the medinan chapters after they formed a polity.
Like, how to behave with your parents
>Do not say to them ‘uff’, a word of irritation, nor repel them, speak to your parents with noble words (17:23)

Compare it to the old testament, that teaches you to bury your own excrement like some house-broken dog. Is that really important to cover?
>You must go outside the camp, dig a hole, and cover your excrement -Deuteronomy 23:12-13 (Torah)
or something like Luke telling you what to do when you enter a house.

>When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace be to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them…Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you…Do not move around from house to house." -Luke 10:5-7 (New Testament)

As for specially not marrying the Prophet's wives, one of the reasons is that the widows of important political and spiritual figures opens avenues for legitamacy and succession claims. In a tribalistic fragmented environment, entire warring clans could form, and ruin the legacy of the Prophet.
And even though these wives faced constrained rights of marriage, they had a deeper role to play as moral exemplars
>Wives of the Prophet, you are not like any other woman. The Prophet is more protective towards the believers, than they are to themselves, while his wives are their mothers (Qur'an 33)

>>18552595
>>Do not say to them ‘uff’, a word of irritation, nor repel them
let your crackhead dad beat you and don't object

>>18552668
I could say. How could you "love your enemies"?
Will you make-out with them while they're persecuting you; slapping you, punching you?
>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven- Matthew 5:44-45
Not really, it sets up a higher ideal for how a man of God should behave.
Your parents took care of you your whole life, and now you'll abandon them?
Feel irritated when they require your assistance in their old age?

>>18552696
Muslims do nothing and I mean nothing but whataboutism on a different Abrahamic religion when you criticize Muhammad's extremely bad advice

If your crackhead dad wants you to go get the belt because he's tweaking out again you should go get it and not say uff per Muhammad

>>18552785
>obeying your parents is bad advice

>>18552785
Islam is a religion dedicated to sadism. Dads can beat their kids and they can voice no objection. They're SUPPOSED to beat their wives. And it goes on, and on, and on with gleeful delight about how everybody who didn't listen to Muhammad is going to burn forever and drink pus and have their skin regenerated so they can burn some more and part of Muslim Paradise is watching.

A depraved religion from a depraved man.

>>18552794
Well yeah, sometimes. Should a 14 year old with a ASPD dad who beats him every night and orders him to work and give him the entire paycheck voice no word of irritation and not repel him?

>>18552799
Yes, it teaches discipline and work ethic. Timmies not being beaten by their parents is why they turn out so mentally ill.

>>18552795
>Dads can beat their kids and they can voice no objection. They're SUPPOSED to beat their wives.
Based. White “people” should learn a thing or two.

>>18552804
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Well, at least you're honest about your position.

>>18552809
Even in the strawman you made up there are still lessons to be learned. Everything happens for a reason.

>>18552696
It was a parallel to a popular religious saying, you idiot. Whatabousim is when your defend your own position by attacking someone else. I defended both the positions.

And yes, be nice to your parents, they won't be with you for long

>>18552830
Meant for >>18552785

>>18552830
Should a 14 year old with a ASPD dad who beats him every night voice no word of irritation and not repel him?

>>18552844
To answer that silly question, No. That verse pre-supposes a normal parental situation. It sets up a moral ideal to follow, for honoring those who raised you.

Every creature of God, the son of Adam, was created with a personal dignity they must maintain.
If you come from a broken home and face abuse, you are encouraged to seek help, reach out to councilors or child protective services. This abuse is considered injustice in the eyes of God and,
>There can be no obedience to creation in disobedience to Creator - (musnad hadith)

This kind of passivity is against the spirit of religion, which requires active effort even against yourself.
>O ye who believe! Be ye staunch in justice, as witnesses for God, even though it be against yourselves or your parents or your kindred, whether a rich man or a poor man, for God is nearer unto both then ye are. So follow not passions lest ye lapse from truth and if ye lapse or fall away, then lo! God is ever-Informed.
>So We have sent Our messengers with signs; the Scripture and the Balance (order), so people could uphold justice; and We sent down Iron, wherein lies the strength and use for mankind (Qur'an 57:25)

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>>18552277
>Produce a verse that forbids Muslims from fucking men, boys and goats
Smart deceiver devil you win

>>18552864
>That verse pre-supposes a normal parental situation.
Cope. Show me where it says this. As written you are not to object to your parents. No qualifications.

>>18552868
Are you daft or drunk? Read my entire post.
And see that it wouldn't matter either-way

>>18552868
Oh and we also believe that paradise lies underneath the feet of your mother.
When did you last visit your poor estranged mother?

>O Messenger! I want to go out and fight and I have come to ask your advice.
>"He asked: "Do you have a mother?" He said: "Yes." The prophet said, "Then stay with her, for Paradise is beneath her feet" (hadith 3104)

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>>18552883
Kek. Prophet Muhammad pagan parents are burning in Allah's hellfire while Alexander the Gayreek is in heaven with the scattered pearls eternal dancing boys.

>>18552934
Not sure how that overrides what I said.
For a moral condemnation, that line of argumentation would presuppose that nobody before the establishment of Islam as an institution could go to heaven. Which is blatantly false.

but "Kek"

>>18552870
I see nothing in your post but cope. Where does Muhammad limit it to only certain kinds of parents?

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>>18552947
>The pagan parents of muh prophet went to heaven
Of course they did it's their pagan Blackstone cube cult too after all. Kek

>>18552953
I was laying out the general principle.
>Be ye staunch in justice, as witnesses for God, even though it be against yourselves or YOUR PARENTS..

>There is no obedience to creation in disobedience to creator (including your PARENTS)

But this is silly, anon. I told you it wouldn't matter either way.
When the commandments say 'do no kill' or 'do not steal', there is no qualifier attached. That doesn't mean just don't kill? It's not isolated, it's part of a larger theological and jurisprudencial framework. This is not whatabousim, it's a consistency argument

But even then my dear brother,
>Where does it presuppose that.
In the text,
>and lower your wing in humility towards them in kindness and say, ‘Lord, have mercy on them, just as they cared for
me when I was little.’ Your Lord knows best what is in your heart. (17:24)

>>18552955
Lord give me strength. This man can't parse 4 lines of plain text.

>>18552277
Ancient Greek poetry is superior to anything ever written by Muslims