This can come about in a couple different ways. 1. Oliver Cromwell does not contract malaria and fortunately continues living2. He is able to find an actual successor instead of picking his son at the eleventh hourand then if the Protectorate remains and ergo Parliament is wholly subdued, what happens next. I have a couple of theories1. With Cromwell dealing the death blow of British Feudalism and clearly caring more about Capital development, we get an earlier British Empire with Ireland nearly wholly cleansed and turned into a proper colony alongside even more focus on the America's, particularly New England becoming even more of a hot spot2. With Congregationalism surviving in such a powerful form, it becomes the dominant version of Protestantism (fun fact btw, you can count all Congregationalist leaders on one hand, both Oliver and Richard Cromwell, both John and John Quincy Adams and finally Calvin Coolidge) or at least an equal to Lutheranism or Presbyterianism. Possibly a more focused war against Catholicism with the Spanish Empire possibly dissolving quicker and a successful destruction of the Catholic Church/Massive Catholic setbacks if a campaign with the New Modal Army is successful. 3. With this increased amount of Capital development and destruction of Feudal institutions, Capitalism rises even faster and as such we could have Communist revolutions even earlier. Such as the Paris Commune being in 1787 even. Again I think theres a lot of redmeat on the bones of this alt hist, much more than Le WW1 or WW2"
>Great Britain if Cromwell had been immortal
>>18552327trvke, he was the greatest European leader of all time (so far)
>>18552327>>18552332More like North Korea tier but less isolated
>>18552333>but less isolatedso nothing like north korea then
The British and Dutch republics should have survived. The world would be so much better.
>>18552333>>18552336Yeah Cromwell was the complete opposite of isolation, hell outside of Catholics he was quite open as a leader. He was pragmatically open of course, there wasnt open borders and shit like that. But he didnt actively persecute other Protestants, Jews or Muslims due to them not being a threat to his political power, alongside the fact his state was absolutely predicated on Capital development which is inherently based off of openness.
>>18552339so why the comparison with the hermit kingdom
>>18552344hey I didnt make the comparison, im OP
>Congregationalism >Yeah, let's just copy Jews and have White people live in the same rabbinical dictatorships, which Jews have historically always lived int. sentences said by the INSANE
>>18552317Cromwell might have been the most evil man to ever exist.
>>18552387not really, rabbis have made shit up themselves for centuries creating the talmud, congregationalists and most other protestants think the bible is the ultimate authorityif anything the rabbinical dictatorship you speak of is the catholics
>>18552394>Irish catholics have been massacring protestants for decades before the civil war>english civil war breaks out>pick the wrong side and join the king and declare war on the English>the English win adn then come over and fuck you uponly have themselves to blame
>>18552332really? i think living in a puritan military dictatorship would kinda suck, and it seems like the british populace thought it sucked too?
>>18552394He was pure evil
>>18552398agreed, again Cromwell did nothing wrong but stop button>>18552396exactly and hell Congregationalism is pretty explicitly about being a Democracy amongst equals. Thats why Puritans are so important in American history>>18552510and more than likely the populace is wrong and cant see things fully. Again, first Bourgeois State and began facilitating Capitalism. Imagine how great the world would be if Feudalism ended earlier.
>>18552398>Irish catholics have been massacring protestants for decades before the civil warThe massacres in question began with Dublin Castle's troops attacking Catholics outside the city. When the 1641 plot failed (which was an instance of Catholic nobles staging a coup to secure the graces from the Stuarts), Catholics were indiscriminately attacked-including many of the Catholics of English descent who opposed the rebellion. It was these massacres that lead many of the Catholic Irish to believe that they were all to be slaughtered, and from that well of fear and hatred that they launched their own attacks.>pick the wrong side and join the king and declare war on the EnglishThe rebelling Irish formed a new parliament, restored order to much of Ireland, and declared their loyalty to the Crown. They had very obvious motivations not to side with Cromwell's lot.Following the Flight of the Earls the Catholic gentry of Ireland were perfectly happy to support the Crown provided the wholesale persecution of the Irish stopped. Those seeking to undo English expansion into Ireland were mostly overseas fighting for Spain by this stage.
>>18553471actively joining the war on the side of the king and then complaining when those that you declared war on come and fuck you up is just really funny to me sorrythe Scottish Presbyterians fell for the lies of a crypto-catholic monarch and were subjected to the killing times as a result as well its hard as an English Protestant to not see these people as really fucking stupid and the cause of their own demise, let alone have sympathy for them. Especially so for the Catholics that have been brutally oppressing any dissidents and proto-protestants since before the reformation even happened. Shoe is on the other foot for once and suddenly the poor Catholics are helpless babes
>>18552317The Commonwealth was a good idea but it should have been someone other than Cromwell in charge.
>>18553781>actively joining the war on the side of the king They didn't really have a choice, there was no scenario where Cromwell's lot don't attack them. By the time the civil war had started, they'd already made their move and declared their ultimate loyalty to the Stuarts-that's what gave their demands any legitmacy. Why would they shrug and say "yeah fuck the King, go cromwell!" when they know that the Parliamentarians are absolutely going to come for them.>its hard as an English Protestant to not see these people as really fucking stupid and the cause of their own demiseThe cause of their own demise was loyalty to a monarchy England had just spent around a century convincing them to be loyal to, anon.>Especially so for the Catholics that have been brutally oppressing any dissidents and proto-protestants since before the reformation even happenedNot in Ireland, they weren't. The 1641 plotters wanted an end to plantations, not a reversal of the ones that had already happened. They wanted the right to participate in English society (upholding the Crown) in Ireland, and the Graces were the means by which they did so.So their choice was basically>side with the desperate monarchy which already owes us these reforms in order to secure them>side with the guys already set on invading and crushing us
>>18554628irish history fag thinks the stuarts had been on the english throne for a centuryLMAO>massacre protestants>waaah why are you killing us backAnd Cromwell was merciful towards catholics and ended catholic oppression and wanted catholics to worship freely but paddies will still act oppressed
>>18554628>there was no scenario where Cromwell's lot don't attack themnot declaring for the king and attacking protestants might have been a good start>The cause of their own demise was loyalty to a monarchy England had just spent around a century convincing them to be loyal tothe irish were not loyal to any kings and for the scots the solemn league and covenant was the hill they wanted to die on and they caved and attacked England the moment the king pinky promised it would really really really be upheld, promisePeople will (righty) criticise the severity of Cromwell's actions but at that point I can hardly blame him. The Irish were a constant menace who sided with the king against him and the Covenanters stabbed him in the back as well. I'd be at the end of my fucking tether n all
