for the lulz :3 xD

>>18554257
Imagine a colony of ants having boiling acid poured into their home, completely blindsided and terrified.

"Who would do this to us?" they exclaim, "What being could create something so powerful, and why would it ever use it on us?"

Eventually they conclude the being is testing them. There must be some purpose to it. The prospect of something so powerful, hurting them so callously and carelessly, is too terrifying to come to terms with. Purpose. Purpose. Purpose. There must be some purpose to all of this. Is it a test?

Maybe the acid is meant to make them stronger. Or cull the weak. Or make them fear the being. Maybe it's meant to make them appreciate the colony when there's NO acid. Or drive them to some distant land where acid will never pour? Perhaps the acid is retribution for some fault of the colony? Would learning to endure the acid make them virtuous?

They don't know, but they worship the being anyways. They pray to the being. They make sacrifices to the being. They build churches and make beautiful artifacts for the being, hoping their respect and appreciation for the being will cause it to take mercy on them, or even just see them, to just acknowledge their existence, just for one day, one hour, one minute, anything, any sort of reassurance, anything. A single message. Please?

None of it matters. They get boiling acid poured on them.

Again.
And again.
And again.

Because they're not being tested. There is no test. The acid is runoff from a nearby factory. Their suffering was just a byproduct of the production of some bizarre thing they could never even begin to comprehend. A toaster or a gyroscope or something.

And the ants will keep boiling alive forever.

>>18554257
For good boy points duh

>>18554259
The ants should learn to enjoy the little things in life and accept suffering

>>18554261
They should, yes, because that's all an ant can do.

>>18554262
What you said makes me happy and sad

>>18554263
Thanks. That's very sincere. I aspire to convey that feeling in everything I write.
May your acid boil lightly and your colony be pleasant, anon.

>>18554264
And i look forward to your work. Do post it on here sometime. I got all the time in the world these days.

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>>18554259
Nice
This reminds me of the book roadside picnic. The humans believed that the aliens, who landed on earth many years ago and then left shortly after, wanted something from them. Maybe the aliens left them a secret message? Maybe they will return again? But most likely the aliens just wanted to have a short break from their long journey. They never cared about us. But the humans are of course too self absorbed to believe that. They could never accept that they don't matter to the aliens.

>>18554257
The same lesson He taught Job: I do it because I can, now praise me

>>18554257
>what lesson could possibly be worth learning at the cost of so much misery?
To fear God. Fear of God is the beginning of the belief in Him.

>>18554257
because there is no god...
you ever thought about that ?
you fucking fagg !

>>18554257
Maybe the lesson is not to be such a whiny bitch and stop seeing everything as torture and pain.
Nietzsche was right about this fraud.

>>18554257
I don't think

There is no god, you are going to the same void from which you came. Everything in your life is worthless, from the exams you take and the job you work, to the relationships you have with your parents and those around you. You might feel a bit better knowing this will happen to every living being on earth, but even this discussion is meaningless. Time will move forward, and your life is infinitesimally short compared to the rest of the universe. You are a lost consciousness on a huge rock, drifting among many others toward an unknown destination. You will never be able to objectively know what you are or why you are here, all you can ever know is your own representation of reality. Just accept it. You can create illusions for yourself like finding love or making friends to bear the short time you are alive, but keep in mind that these are only illusions and deep down, existence is suffering

>>18554272
>objectively
lmaoing at you in subjectivity

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>>18554257
Nobody knows. Now go do something else.

>>18554269
You can't be fully certain about that. I'd love to see narcissus atheistfags burn in hell forever but it's not a 100% guarantee.

>>18554270
Nietz was more deluded than Schope.

>>18554272
Almost completely correct, but what comes after death is not known.

>>18554270
>bad things are good actually
we're discussing God, meaning of life and things like that. you need to do better than semantics.

>>18554259
You sound jewish. Wake me up when an ant is capable of consciousness.

>>18554272
>There is no god
Atheshit cope.

>>18554257
I mean , speaking for me I have no complaints.

but yea , I do wonder about other people , asuming you are not a bot OP , how would you steelman the position that the meaning and porpuse of life is wisdom , specially since your wisdom currently is telling you its retarded.

its wierd , because most people are kind of bipolar about it , people will claim their life is fundamentally cosmicly a mistake that destroys god by just how bad it is , but they will def run that back away if you ever to bost about past people having a better life than them.
in theory a lot of people like you , the we you are talking about , should be envios of like millions even billions of people though history , but you don't allow you that emotion to exist.

this isn't necessarily a counter argument against the gnostic anon per say , I just find it wierd.

>>18554272
>There is no god, you are going to the same void from which you came.
that doesn't seem scientific.

>>18554259
Undeveloped nihilism is surely the dumbest philosophy. Every great nihilist used pessimism as a starting point to build a new philosophy, not a conclusion that nothing matters.

>>18554259
Ants arent capable of anything like those kinds of thoughts
>>18554257
Grandma ate the apple she wasn't supposed to.

If you're retarded and that isn't enough: I suspect there isn't a way to grow the kind of beings who would deserve something like the glory of a perfected universe without this. As for why God would grow us, I don't know. The apple thing is more meaningful.

>>18554259
Ruined the joke by not having the acid just be orange, mango, or grapefruit juice, which is delicious and good for both factory workers and ants, because it's liquid fruit when you don't fuck the juice up with extra sugar.

Stay technochurch longer, lurk more, you can still make it, I guess.

>>18554273
Fpbp

>>18554281
Ants practice agriculture, oh you unknowing assumer.

>>18554259
The acid and the pain gave the ants meaning. Whatever you think the cause of pain is, that's its purpose.

>>18554257
Read the Book of Job.

>>18554284
So do machines, what's your point?

>>18554257
Just read the Holy Bible or your applicable prayer book, go to Church or your applicable House of Prayer, pray, and start from there. Did you forget about God or something? God didn't forget you, I pray.

i don't understand why its that bad

>>18554267
Christcucks are cancer.

>>18554274
What a fag kys

>>18554290
t. Brazilian

>>18554257
Nobody knows, but if life really is part of a cycle of rebirth, where consciousness is recycled like the cells to dirt and organisms and back again, then we are experiencing everything multiple lives, then everything both big and small we do now will affect us in the future, for as long as life exists on this planet, until the big crunch and the next big bang, for eternity.

Suffering reveals the limitations of the self to the self, thereby inviting the self into a discovery of what is Infinitely Beyond.

There is nothing inherently evil about suffering, we just inherently dislike it. Besides, Heaven is so glorious that a single instant in Heaven is well worth an eternity of torment, let alone a human lifespan which is punctuated by pleasantries and joys almost as often as it is disturbed by pains and discomforts. "The sorrows of this world are as nothing compared to the Glory to be revealed in us" said St. Paul. I'm not a Christian but St.Paul was entirely correct here. This "problem of evil" simply did not bother people in previous epochs of humanity where faith actually existed. Not the weak, sickly fideistic, existentialist "faith" of the "leap" variety, but true, sincere, intellectual conviction in the reality of God and Eternity.

what if God is a baby God and we're in a tv world? you think he would change his name?

>>18554267
Job is an allegory for the faithful or spiritual life. The final act where he is restored to his family/property/prosperity represents Heaven or the divine restoration of the universe in eternity. It is not an allegory about God's wrath being arbitrary. The "have you seen my Leviathan" discourse represents the Infinite Unseen when compared with a distraught man's lamentations-- they are pithy nothing against the Infinitely Vast forces surrounding reality. The friends of Job represent the worldly pseudo-religiosity of early Rabbinic Judaism as compared with the earnest seeking of God (which undoubtedly still survives in Judaism down to the present, albeit in minority, as in all religions as they age and become Pharisaic)

>>18554272
According to whom?

>>18554297
According to someone that prioritizes watching porn every day and blame all his problems on his parents/society. Isn't it obvious?

>>18554298
Embarrassing amount of projection. Is every single christian mentally and socially stunted? Every last one of them?

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>>18554258
/thread

>>18554299
Saying "that's projection" is literally equivalent to saying "I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!".

I'm not a Christian, but is every atheist stuck in a perpetual state of childhood in which life is a series of sometimes-conflicting desires and attempts to satisfy them?

Are you like a ping pong ball in human form? Do you ever get tired of just bouncing off of whatever surface you collide with at a proportional speed and angle?

Go look in the mirror and say "I do not watch pornography" 100 times and see if you feel dirty and dishonest or clean and proud.

>>18554257
As a test or punishment, the real life starts after death. People who are addicted to evil habits may feel extra bad after they felt extra good. People who aren't grateful, greedy and not compassionate might FEEL worse than they should. That being said this person in op and other crybabies suffer less than average people, noone suffers beyond their capacity and EVERYONE has moments of joy relaxation and relief. People who claim their lives are consistently hard are lying just like people who claim they're always happy and successful. Humans need purpose and Islam is there to help you if you want to help yourself.

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>>18554259
>The prospect of something so powerful, hurting them so callously and carelessly, is too terrifying to come to terms with.
and should they learn it's even more horrifying for nothing to be there and it all being random? do they go back to thinking it's needless cruelty, like settling for a (You) insulting you than being ignored?

>>18554259
I think the ants are supposed to avoid the acid.

>>18554257
Well if there's something after this then the pain probably isn't worth holding onto

>>18554299
No, you’re saying all of this doesn’t matter. I’m asking according to whom?

I’m a fagbostic but without god the universe is effectively a big rock, why should I care about the rocks opinion on my life?

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>>18554259
it never ceases to amaze me that nihilists have no problem conceiving of cosmic horrors that are simply so far beyond our comprehension we could never grasp them with our limited perspective

yet no on will ever even entertain the idea of cosmic wonders, cosmic delights, so far beyond our comprehension that we could never grasp them with our current perspective

I am the cause of all my pain. Not G*d.

>>18554307
I hope you are right. But I know why I think the way I do, I extrapolate from what I have myself experience and what I know exists.
I'm a normal middle class guy, and yet the worst suffering I experienced was much worse than the best moments were good. Even something like breaking your arm is much more intense than e.g. an orgasm. Now just imagine being in one of those cartel torture videos.
I'm not talking about frequency here, but just intensity.

>>18554257
The earth is fallen due to the original sin, we wanted to play God and God became distant to us. Read Job, a book written before Moses he cries out for a mediator before the fidst covenant was even founded, before rabbis realised we needed a messiah and Jesus. The cosmology we find ourselves in require someone to be both with God and with Us and share our suffering, for pain to have any meaning

>>18554309
>the worst suffering I experienced was much worse than the best moments were good

yet you haven't killed yourself, curious!

>>18554257
because God wants you to have free will. you can only form your own free will when there is pain to resist. if existence only ever had pleasure and no pain, you would not have free will. in a sense, you would not exist. pain is a temporary condition for you to form your own free will, and therefore your own existence.

>>18554312
I will never understand why Christians have such a difficult time understanding that God wills for human beings to suffer, including children, and including horrible and wretched things.

Isn't it very clear? Or do you suspect there is some region of Reality that God has lost control of? Have tumors, bacteria, earthquakes and knavish human beings somehow escaped his control or what? Do you think God lost control of His own creation?

It just boggles my mind. I understand it's an uncomfortable fact but your continuous refusal to acknowledge God in fact made Satan and permits him to be Satan leads so many Christians to completely fold when they encounter the unmitigated evil of this world and cannot comprehend how Jesus the Christ, the Lamb, would allow for such events.

If I'm not mistaken this very issue is the main reason for Christianity's current decline. It doesn't account for suffering, it doesn't teach people how to endure suffering or accept suffering,and it just sweeps all the dead babies with cancer under the rug out of embarrassment. How could such a religion suffice for a terrible life, when many lives are nowadays terrible? It can't. Christianity has allowed itself to be reduced to a middle class religion based on sentimentality and observation of the ancient holy days whose meaning have been forgotten.

>>18554313
I have no idea what you are talking about, I just have my own philosophy about God and suffering based on me perceiving consciousness

>>18554314
Oh I see, there are several Christian posters in this thread and the justification of evil by free will is an extremely common argument in Christian discourses. So my question should not have been posed to you per se, pardon me.

I do think the question is a good one and would appreciate any Christians that would like to respond to it.

>>18554313
>Isn't it very clear? Or do you suspect there is some region of Reality that God has lost control of?
It is very clear to me that this is Lucifer's planet. That some fundamental decision was made in the ancient past to break with God and explore the universe on our own, no matter the consequences. God is not a domineering patriarch, but the good father who patiently waits for the return of his wayward sons. What is 100,000 years of torment to an eternal? A mosquito bite. Nothing. In time, those who maintained their connection to God, who never lost sight of the guiding light of Christ, will be delivered back into grace and received with open arms.

>>18554316
It's a simple question. Is Satan under the control of God or not?

>>18554317
Satan is allowed to exist. There is no leash, no mitigating factor for what occurs in darkness. God will not step in and stop what has been chosen freely by his lost children. Seek salvation and it will be given to you, even in this life. Despair, lose faith, and you may join the legions of the damned.

>>18554257
>Boohoo, my oneitis didn't suck my dick
Grow up.

>>18554318
I'm gonna give you an Amen because you encouraged me to seek salvation. Thank you for your kind words of guidance. I guess it is not so important how one conceives of Satan. For me I never really could comprehend evil until I became comfortable with the idea of God creating evil and suffering. I think He does it to help us outgrow ourselves, to force us to seek something beyond the self, beyond death. It's not to be cruel, it's just the way it has to be,there's no learning or journeying without suffering. May your faith grow strong through all your difficulties in life and may you know the Peace of your Lord in the Hereafter.

I'm Muslim by the way.

>>18554320
Thank you, brother. Bless you.
>I'm Muslim by the way.
Christ is for everyone.

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>>18554257
>answers absolutely everything and makes modern philosophy redundant + laughable

>>18554322
>Coomaraswamy
Extremely based

The notion that mortal life is some process of self-discovery is new age nonsense. The Christian view is that we are in an unnaturally trapped in a fallen world and in very serious danger. God has temporarily allowed the Devil to reign here, but He will crush him soon enough.

>>18554287
My points are at ends of my sentences and on my i's.

>>18554322
The perennial tradition is Christianity, perennialism is just the spiritual version of third worldism; spiteful drivel designed to get Westerners to hate their superior tradition and kiss the feet of Hindoos. If you take this filth to its logical conclusion you'll die as an opium-addicted retard larping as a Bedouin in Egypt.

Gloomyness: The Thread. Relax, machineposters, the Sun's out and about.

>>18554326
Coomaraswamy's son became a sedevacantist Roman Catholic priest. The American Orthodox monk Seraphim Rose was influenced by perennialism. Most perennialists consider traditional (pre-Reformation, pre-Renaissance) forms of Christianity completely valid especially when there is a form of spirituality available (such as monastic orders or even the Rosary).

All traditionalists recoil at Second Vatican Catholicism and most forms of later Protestantism.

>>18554257
He gives you misery through Satan, so he can give you nice stuff and remind He's a alright fella. Just don't think too hard about he caused the pain to begin with.

>>18554311
I said that I was only talking about intensity, not frequency. I also don't think that you should kill yourself if you experience more suffering than pleasure, but everyone on this board would choose death if the suffering got bad enough.

>>18554257
The purpose of suffering is to make you less of a baby about it. If a baby were ejected from it's baby body as just a soul, they'd suck at it because they don't have any of the temperance of a being who has lived a dualistic existence of both beauty and suffering. They wouldn't know how to make heads or tails of the earth- or even know what earth is. The angels and demons are created knowing all these things, yet have no free will- they were given one choice. Serve in peace, or in suffering. Even that choice was made for them, before they were first spoken into being.

Now, your choice is apparent. Be a baby about it all, or don't. You were given a greater opportunity than any spirit without a physical body. You were made in the image of God. Do you think he suffers nothing, just because he is all powerful and ever present? To be all powerful, one must be all experienced. All knowing. All present. You can be a great fraction of his mighty infinity... if you just grow the hell up and quit whining about it. Dive headlong into this hell like a demon dressed angel- and heaven will manifest the fruit of your pain, as the experience of a beautiful life.

>>18554311
such a pitiful rejoinder. We have no certainty that death is even an escape from pain. we only know that pain in this living, waking state is ubiquitous and far more intensely bad than pleasure is good. it is not a contradiction to point this fact out while still choosing not to commit oneself to the uncertainties of death and what may or may not lie beyond it.

>>18554326
religion is secularised metaphysics. FWJ Schelling was a perennialist, on account of his engagement with universal metaphysics. plus, Christianity, gets its mysticism (metaphysics) from platonism, so it's unoriginal. moreover, if your 'truth' has a start in time and an end in time, then it's hardly an eternal truth. not pooh poohing christianity as a faith, it just lacks philosophical rigour to adhere to 'belief systems' as opposed to universal metaphysics which remain universal facts regardless of where and when you were born

>>18554333
NTA, good post with informed perspective, but I disagree Christian mysticism is merely a Christianized Platonism. The theology of the Man-God is already a kind of superhighway for human union with the divine. According to Schuon Christianity began as an esoteric doctrine of man's desire for union with God. This highly esoteric notion was later made exoteric by solidifying it into a dogmatic theology at the Council of Nicaea.

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>the catalysts will continue until morale improves

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>>18554259
I have no horse in this race since I was once a believer and once a non believer and nowadays I don't know what the fuck I believe in anymore, so maybe I'll try being impartial here (if that's even possible, but anyway)
You could just as well reframe your allegory to the ants extending their nest to someone's lawn and being sprayed down with imidacloprid or what have you. So now there's an intellect behind it and a rule they failed to follow, right
Now you can add in the detail that they specifically know they're not allowed to go there, but still do it in their stubborness. Now the ants kinda had it coming, and you can give it the old testament spin: have the ants constantly forget or cynically ignore what they're not allowed to do and be fucked over it again and again
Or and you can do away with all that and just have the ants be exterminated by some fungus or some flood which isn't some exactly an incomprehensible force above them, like the factory you mentioned, an indifferent cosmos which boils down to a blind idiot god. Instead it's just something they know about but can't avoid. It's just there. Whirlwinds or tectonic shifts or the hell of evolution as a race, what has been called the Red Queen problem. Various names for randomness when it fucks you over

The issue is that an allegory of that kind just illustrates what you (maybe (You) the writer, or maybe some other handsome young anon reading this) already believe about organized religion in general or christianity or whatever. And it ends there, it serves only as an illustration, it does nothing to differentiate between
1. The plausability of belief being a kind of pareidolia in which we allucinate signal from noise, a projection of our organizing tendencies into chaos or the stirrings of some other blind idiot god
2. The plausibility of unbelief being a kind of insensitiveness, stubborness, or pride in not recognizing some higher organizing principle that is not only comprehensible but also personal, a refusal to stare it in the face, or in the very least into its shadow, or bend to his will if it can even be known to any degree

The deeper issue, I think, is that while you can be brilliant and extremely capable, dedicating your life to studying theology, philosophy, pure logic, the sciences, biblical scripture, etc., no matter how much you understand what has been called the status quaestionis, you'll somehow still diverge from someone else who did exactly the same. To borrow from stem jargon it feels like it feels like finding truth in this kind of investigation is undecidable, and that belief or unbelief have very little to do with sheer intellect and erudition and more to do with life trajectories or personality. In that sense I feel like I'm starting to understand why some theologians were so convinced of predestination... maybe it amounts to the same thing.

>>18554311
worst reply ive seen in a while

>>18554259
But im not ant, im human

>>18554319
>Boohoo, my all powerful God got mogged by iron chariots

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>>18554257
>why is God putting us through so much pain? what lesson could possibly be worth learning at the cost of so much misery?
What lesson does a dumpster baby learn? What lesson does a village wrecked by disaster learn? Nothing. There is no reason at all to believe in a personal intervening God. The raw world as it is wouldn't be so offensive to our desire for justice, fairness, and truth otherwise. If there is anything at all that can be said to be divine it is only us. The power of life and consciousness. That's it. All rides in the freak show end in death, some more horrifying than others. We called the unconscious process of the universe God because we couldn't cope with the possibility of indifference. It's not even the hatred of God(s), but just cold, silent indifference of a blind idiotic process that for some strange reason sometimes results in smart things with subjectivity. We aren't ants, but to a collapsing building, what's the fucking difference? For me, I get the feeling of saying we are termites instead. At least that is what I think of when I see comically tall buildings like the twin towers. It's the friction between knowing you are this amazingly complicated thing with subjectivity and the fact that you can be crushed just as easily as ant. Fucking brutal.

>>18554313
>If I'm not mistaken this very issue is the main reason for Christianity's current decline. It doesn't account for suffering, it doesn't teach people how to endure suffering or accept suffering,and

This is so wrong. I've read a bunch of religious texts and christianity is by far the most apt to deal with suffering since God Himself willingly submits to suffering. All the indian religions will retort to idealism and deny the reality of all

>>18554341
I spent three years in a Catholic Church and when my Dad died in a freakish accident (right after I had gotten dumped and laid off) my fellow parishioners were visibly and noticeably uncomfortable being in my presence. It was completely shocking. It made me feel like the Church did nothing whatsoever to prepare people for death. When I asked a priest (in a different town) to mention my Dad in prayers of the faithful, he asked me his age, I said he was 57. The priest literally winced and said "that's too young." It was all pretty amazing. I was super active as a parishioner, I think one person called me up in the following months (I moved back home with Mom) to check on me. I know that's anecdotal, but you can imagine how that all felt. It was disturbing, it caused a crisis in my faith. Like, you people worship the Crucified Savior as the greatest expression of Love but you are afraid to talk to a grieving person because you don't want to say the wrong thing? What the hell man?

>>18554342
Death became a taboo in modernity. Some books deal with this, you could look it up. Lots of books on death and death throughout history. Nowadays people die in hospitals almost as if dying was a shameful act whereas in most of history the dying person officiated his own death while encircled by family and friends. I'd say it's a modern phenomenon, not a catholic one. It's a taboo to speak of death

>>18554343
It is a modern phenomenon, for sure, I agree. That was precisely the way I framed it to myself: what is the point of the Church if it is not offering an alternative to modernity?

In some ways the biggest difference between modernity and tradition is that tradition does not equate suffering with evil. As I am writing this however, it dawns on me that perhaps the problem is not Christianity as you are indicating, because Christianity is merely absorbing this kind of anti-suffering mentality from the modern world around it.

At the same time, (thinking as I am writing) it is no coincidence that the rejection of suffering and the modern world began in the environs and domains of Christendom. So Christendom has fallen to a heresy that spiraled out of itself, and this same heresy now threatens to destroy all of the traditions. A possible conclusion: the equation of evil with suffering is the beginning of the Apocalypse.

>>18554342
Religion for most people these days is mere routine spurred on by a sense of social obligation. I think the fact is often overlooked that in Jesus' own day the Pharisees were essentially the equivalent of ordinary religious people, since most cannot conceive of a relationship with God beyond formalities and social institutions. It can be a hard pill to swallow. Anyway, condolences for your dad.

>>18554334
Schuon is not a good source. nor is Guenon. Coomaraswamy and Evola are though

>>18554346
I don't know who you are so when you just state your opinion without any elaboration whatsoever its pretty much meaningless.
>>18554345
I hate to quote song lyrics on the literature board but "when religion loses vision, that's how every empire dies..." There is a wonderful interaction between Christ religion and Pharisaic religion, have you ever noticed that? It goes back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. St. Francis is an example of Christ religion, and the Borgia Popes are examples of Pharisaic religion. And this happens in all the religions by the way. Actually it's a general human phenomenon (that's how you go from the almost prophetic Civil Rights Movement to the desultory bureaucracy of the SPLC and Congressional Black Caucus). It even happens in the workplace.

Thanks for your condolences.It's been five years so the sting has passed. (They don't tell you that about grief. It truly feels like you're dying or the whole world is ending, for a while. Then you adjust and life goes on.)

>>18554347
>I don't know who you are so when you just state your opinion without any elaboration whatsoever its pretty much meaningless.
the reason being that Schuon and Guenon are both dogmatists first and foremost. neither Coomaraswamy nor Evola are dogmatists. being a metaphysician puts you in a confident position of not needing to rely on religious doctrines that are irrelevant to universal metaphysics, beneath which religion and religiosity are subordinated

>>18554348
Guenon says, over and over again in fact, that metaphysical truths are independent of the religious symbolism or theological/philosophical frameworks which convey them.

Schuon is known for his thesis on the "transcendent unity of religions" and is most frequently criticized for being, not a dogmatist, but a syncretist. Islamic scholars have been hesitant to engage his work based on this charge.

I have no idea where you are getting your information.

>>18554257
There is only Hell, because non-existence is Heaven. This world isn't Hell yet, but it will be.

>>18554257
This is the truth nuke nobody is ready for.

God being morally perfect must actualise all categories of Goodness that are possible. But he cannot actualise all categories of Goodness from his lofty state of Infinity, because there are certain moral virtues that are only possible for a limited, finite, scared and ignorant being.

For example, courage. It is not possible for God as we have traditionally thought of Him to be courageous, for he has nothing to fear. It is only a limited being with imperfect strength, having cause to fear, who can possibly overcome his fear and demonstrate the virtue of Courage.

So what's the solution to this dilemma? Is God morally imperfect? No, God actualises all possible worlds as "incarnations" of Himself whereby He voluntarily undergoes limitation in order to bring under his wing all the Goods that depend upon limitation.

However, this is all just a manner of speaking. There was no time when the world did not exist, as the Christians teach, and God "chose" to create the world; rather, the World is God, and God is the World. God perpetually "breathes himself out" and cuts Himself off from Himself and "breathes himself in" and calls His severed Self back to Himself, like a tide.

In fact, all the virtues which depend upon limitation are describable by this metaphor of suspiration and inhalation; the Courageous man is the man who, being cut off from the strength of God, calls towards God to imbue himself with that strength; the intellectual, being cut off from a full apprehension of knowledge, calls towards God to become more like God in his acquisition of knowledge.

And this is not even the full doctrine. I said he must actualise all categories of Goodness but this is not all. He must perpetually actualise all INSTANCES of Goodness as well, so not only is the world Eternal, it is infinite in its Good variations, which will never end.

>IF GOD REEL WUH BAD STUF HAPPUN?!
Boring.

>>18554351
Morality is for human beings. God completely transcends morality, as He transcends every category or comprehension.

By the way I did find this post quite interesting and thoughtful, thank you for writing it.

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>>18554257
He's not. I'm not suffering. You're going through pain because you were intended to suffer for my enjoyment. God creates people of the left-wing phenotype because you are contemptible, and deserve to be tortured. And he tortures you so that you suffer as you deserve.
You are given plenty beyond any in history, you are given what amounts to magic, drugs which give pleasure and energy and calm, spectacles of measureless wonder, a den to sleep in cooled to exact temperature and portals to every continent, candies that target the exact pleasure centers of your brain, games and songs and plays and stories writ in hundreds of millions of flashes of lightning and a home safe from wolves and bears and plague and rain. And you suffer because he made your brain deficient on purpose.

God creates Aryans, of high spirituual awareness born with a recognition of the natural order (me) because someone deserves to be in on the joke with him. This is why I am happy, and full of joy and vigor, and you are miserable and beset by doubt and resentment. Because God loves me, and hates you. And this is because you are Dasyu, the vessel made for dishonor, and I am Aryan, of high Varna, the vessel made for honor, and so am at peace in all situations and at all times.

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>>18554354
cute post but check out pic related. also hitler killed himself

>>18554257
Love, bro.

As above so below.

If you know you know.

>>18554355
Hitler escaped to Argentina, everyone knows that.
As for the picture I'm confident it is outdated. Russians die of drone strikes, not suicides. Perhaps if you count alcoholism as suicide which I suppose you should. I am not certain of the relevance otherwise.

>>18554357
>le aryan is so le happy... so full of le joy and le vigor...
>meanwhile the global north dominates when it comes to suicide rate pre capita
alright

>>18554322
Why is Buddha lumped in with the rest of them?

>>18554355
Why are people so depressed in Greenland?

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>>18554257
The answer to that question remains elusive; perhaps it is for amusement, or perhaps He possesses a malevolent nature and enjoys inflicting suffering upon His creations, akin to a child tormenting ants. However, I cannot endorse the notion that there exists a divine plan beyond human comprehension. What is there to comprehend in the act of afflicting a five-year-old child with cancer? I believe humanity should collectively reject the notion of God and tell him to fuck off, come together to fix this planet, then pursue the conquest of the stars.
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>>18554286
ah yes Job, the first cück
>God took the lives of my family and friends, destroyed my home, and compromised my health, yet I still feel compelled to worship Him aka sucking him off for reasons beyond my understanding.

Natural suffering is the result of the fall and suffering that arises from evil is the result of free will. Most of the suffering you experience is the result of human will and not God’s will, sadly.

>>18554359
pali canon/pre-sectarian buddhism (before it became primarily apocryphal a la catholicism with christianity) conveys the same emanationistic metaphysics as neoplatonism. tathagata = agathon/The One, vritti = aoristos dyas, anapanasati = epistrophe, citta = nous, etc

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>>18554362
>Most of the suffering you experience is the result of human will and not God’s will, sadly
Low IQ, born in a shithole, ugly, no talent, very small cock/tits, shitty genes, hereditary diseases, cancer, Autoimmune diseases, the pedo elite who contol the World, autism, schizophrenia etc, i keep going fag
Why God won't smite the pedos who are running the show, muh free will ?

>>18554365
>Low IQ, born in a shithole, ugly, no talent, very small cock/tits, shitty genes, hereditary diseases, cancer, Autoimmune diseases, the pedo elite who contol the World, autism, schizophrenia etc
None of that refutes the anon you're talking to.
Conveyer belt theory isn't real, God doesn't pick winners and losers.

>Why God won't smite
Who is to say he hasn't? Or isn't going to?
You want to see the heavens part and justice be served, I get it. I want it to. But that's not how this works here, and the things you're bemoaning are the result of man and his failures, not God or his supposed indifference.

>>18554363
Despair is not a virtue.
At some point your participation is required.
Are you building or are you too busy suffering?

>>18554354
kek based

>>18554257
God is not real.

>>18554362
>>18554366
The fall literally never happened, it is not a real historical or metaphysical event, so it does not serve as an explanation for anything.
Why are christians so retarded that they can't understand this basic fact?

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We're being loosh farmed.