Christians think they don't have to follow the Mosaic Laws because Jesus died for our sins and all of that good stuff. Even though he himself followed those laws during his life.So why did God give those laws to his chosen people in the first place? It wasn't for their own good apparently.Just to fuck with them? A little extra F-U for the whole Garden of Eden situation? Being free of of the Original Sin means we can enjoy lobster now?
>>18556040Christians believe that the laws are given so that Israel is set apart as a holy nation to set up the lineage for Christ. Now that Jesus came there’s no need for it.
>>18556040Eating strictly kosher might be a good idea from a pure practical perspective seeing as goyslop is intentionally poisoned by jews.
>>18556040Islam only bans pork. Even shark is allowed to eat. Generally all creatures of the sea that don’t climb out of water to breathe are edible. On land all fanged animals are banned. Rabbits, water fowls, and land fowls are all halal.>>18556055Truthful
>>18556051Wait, so you need to eat kosher if you want to breed a god on earth?
>>18556040>because Jesus died for our sinsNot really. It's because he told the Apostles.>It wasn't for their own good apparently.Says who?>Being free of of the Original Sin means we can enjoy lobster now?You're free of the original sin?
>>18556062Looking at the average citizen of Israel, I feel like that's not working very well
None of this shit is real. Why do you guys waste your time with it?
>>18556077>Says who?Why would Paul and Peter tell people to not follow the laws then? Did they have malicious intentions? If those laws were for your own good, then every Christian should follow them obviously. >You're free of the original sin?According to the new testatment I guess
>>18556083>>Says who?>Why would Paul and Peter tell people to not follow the laws then?Because Jesus advised it in a vision.> If those laws were for your own good, then every Christian should follow them obviously.This is a complete non-sequitur. Divorce laws were good for Hebrews. Jesus still made them stricter. A change is obviously good.>>You're free of the original sin?>According to the new testatment I guessAny particular passage this guess is based on?
>>18556084>For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. -- Romans 5:19How is this even controversial for you? "Jesus died for our sins" is probably the most mainstream Christian idea there is.>good for Hebrews. How are those laws good for Hebrews and not for everyone else? Do Hebrews have a special food intolerance for shellfish for example? Why do Hebrews have to circumcise and everyone else doesn't?
>>18556092>"Jesus died for our sins" is probably the most mainstream Christian idea there is.And if that's what you wrote, I wouldn't question it. But the idea that we've not only become sinless but have already shed the original sin is not something I've heard before.>>good for Hebrews.>How are those laws good for Hebrews and not for everyone else?In the case of divorce, Jesus explains it as Hebrew hearts being too hard at the time, so different laws were necessary. In terms of food I wouldn't suspect intolerance, because at no point does God say the foods are bad or unhealthy, he just says they are considered unclean for Hebrews in particular. If you're interested in a legitimate scholarly deep dive, Mary Douglas has a section on it in 'Leviticus as Literature' where she identifies common patterns in the 'unclean' foods. A lot of it has to do with the fact that when the Law is given, Hebrews are tasked with becoming "holy", which in Hebrew is expressed as "set apart". They are to create (and maintain) a social category - a holy nation - that is clear and clean and unlike other nations. Her argument is that animals that aren't easily categorized with others (based on patterns of chewing cud or hooves etc) are excluded precisely because they don't mirror Hebrew identity - they can't be put into a clear category from the ancient perspective. There is more in Dougles about "swarming" animals like shrimp, but I don't exactly remember what her anthropological analogy was there, because the separation of categories is actually the religiously salient element. Because Jesus, in his death, re-unites divided categories. That's why the temple veil tore. That's why animals are all safe to eat. That's why in Christ there is no Greek or Jew. I suppose you can think of it as complexification - a process of discernable categories arising, followed by a process of the categories being put into a proper relationship.
>>18556107The original sin falls into the bucket of "all sins", for which he died...
Paul and Peter just thought it would be bad PR if their roman followers had to circumcise and give up popular food stuff. Generally Jesus' jewishness was downplayed a lot and is still being downplayed today.
>>18556112You didn't cite an "all sins" bucket. Or why such a bucket would make us "sinless". Try to apply your reasoning to lies. Is lying a sin? Yes. Did Jesus die for sins? Yes. So now we're to consider ourselves completely honest? No lol. The lies still happened. What Jesus did is offer a way to be saved from them.
>>18556121I cited Romans 5:19, which is literally about the original sin. And the topic of debate. Stop shifting goal posts. >you are still sinningYeah sure, but God has forgiven us for all of our sins. Including the original one, which by the way I didn't even commit myself. It's all legalized now. No punishment and no hard feelings. Except for not accepting God I guess. The whole point was the question whether God made the jews do all of that stuff as a form of repentance, since he had not forgiven them yet. And we don't have to do that stuff anymore because he has forgiven us.Your whole spiel of "Israeli's need special laws" sounds like bullshit by the way. You didn't give me a convincing answer. It wasn't a spiritual exercise. It were hard laws with hard punishments. And God took them very seriously.
>>18556040The kashrut dietary laws were given as ethnic markers for the people of Israel, they were never intended to be universal moral laws that everyone needs to follow. They're not relevant to Christians, the vast majority of whom are gentiles, nor do they justify anybody or contribute to salvation whatsoever, since that was never their intended purpose. Basically as >>18556051 said. They were meant to prepare the way, they are not part of the way. Like many of the Old Testament ceremonial laws, they may also have allegorical meanings to them which foreshadowed Christ or the like. The Epistle of Barnabas illuminates this.
>>18556040>Well oh yes I enjoy eating lizards and bat shits like my goat fucker Semitic fag ancestors.They were ahead of their time and banned the animals that spread mindfuck viruses. Remarkable chosenites.
>>18556040“Why did God set His people apart from the rest of the world and make them super special?”Because they begged God to be special. Remember Israel means rebellion. Jacob received this name after he wrestled with God’s angel, and he only won the blessing because as the second born twin, he was still technically the firstborn because he came out of the womb as a baby still holding onto Esau’s ankle. Which is a reference to the serpent biting the Man’s heel. But Esau and Jacob were brothers. They forgave each other and loved each other despite their extreme spiritual battle over being firstborns. In other words, Jacob begged the angel to bless him to still be a firstborn and enjoy being a firstborn (inherit all the good stuff) even though he is not one (unwanted stonebecomez the head of the corner). Ring any bells? Jesus Christ was the chief cornerstone because the Jews therefore rejected him. In fact they rejected him so strongly they murdered him using the Roman state to do it, accusing him when all he was doing is loving people. How he loved them really upset them because they actually turned to calling the police to kill him. The Bible says once you get the government involved, you are damning yourself. It says if the government is involved and it leads to the death then the condemnation is on their selves and God can no longer long suffer. Unless of course the victim was so nice to even say “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” Which Jesus did. Which made the Jews hate him even more, because he went to the death forgiving them, even for thousands of years. Jesus became a blessing instead of like Cain’s descendants asking to be made into an even bigger curse if anyone kills them.When Christianity came along it made it so we get the best of both worlds. We are no longer apart and jealous over the other. As we are not restricted from either world. The Christian just maintains being clean while enjoying gentile stuff.
>>18556040If they never changed the mosaic stuff goys wouldn’t have excepted Christianity. It’s simple marketing. Nobody but Jews where doing this crazy shit so it’s a hard sell unless your told you it’s ok to have lobster and a blt and you don’t have to snip your smeckel. It’s simply marketing to the gentilies a Noahide religion.
