Why did the Trad Cath revival fail so hard?
String of cuckpopes.Same reason established prot churches in West Europe failed.
>>18569881Those failed because God is bringing judgement on the west, lest they repent and live.
>>18569870"Trad Cath" is an Oxymoron. The Catholic Church has always been relatively progressive
>>18569870Because tradcath is just a stagnant and lame imitation of Orthodoxy
>>18569886You got it backwards. Orthobros are tradcaths that got burned out by the papacy’s leftism and unbelief
>Why did the Trad Cath revival fail so hard?
>>18569870>>18569881They found out the hard way that making religion a vehicle for your reactionary politics doesn't work out.
>>18569870the entire thing was pretty much a media hype campaign that relied on a stream of shills and retards to appear more popular than it really was, once they figured out the hard way said retards don't actually go to church and by extension don't donate money, they couldn't keep it up, made worse by the fact the most notable figures of it along with the various politicians they hyped up ended up either being retards, grifters, schizos, outright criminals, sometimes a combo of all the above
>>18569889Politics is worldly and has no place in the minds of the faithful
>>18569870there was a revival?
>>18569881This
>>18569899Respect the zoomers
Catholics are the perfect goyim. All you have to do is install some complete evil libtard who does whatever he wants and if you dare critique it you are excommunicated. The left is completely in control of the Catholic Church atm and there is nothing Catholics can do about it. Literally nothing.
>>18569908Francis was a traditionalist? That’s news to me, I’ve always thought of JP2 being the last ‘tradcath’
>>18569937Catholics are at the point a pope saying that marriage must be between a man and a woman is considered heckin' epically trad.
>>18569933lol
>>18569904It was absolutely a state motivated glow op lolFedsissies don't even believe their own slop
>>18569905That's why Rome has been in error for over a thousand years. The See of Rome developed imperial ambitions, and as a consequence was forced to reconcile its spiritual doctrines with its desire to accumulate temporal powers.
>>18569870Too much opposition from Popes and Cardinals.
>>18569870Because it was only ever another front in the culture war and the epic based Kingdom of Heaven vaporwave edits Pope saying Catholics have to treat niggers and trannies like human beings fried their brains.
>>18569948>blessing you gays for God to bring you to salvation so you stop being gay
>>18569870The 2024 "anti woke" far right christlarp neonazi chud cultural moment shat itself and deflated immediately. Mainly because they tied themselves to Trump.The remnants jumped over to larping as orrhobros now.
>>18569870You actually have to get zoomers going to church and participating in their local communities rather than posting little dark age tiktoks.
>>18569870It didn’t fail as much as it was never real to begin with. Catholicism is their cope for the decline. They think that because their vigorous ancestors were Catholic they too shall be vigorous if they are Catholic.
>>18569870
>>18569870>Why did the Trad Cath revival fail so hard?It will get nowhere until they roll back tolerance of jews and acceptance of dark skin.
This board is filled to the brim with brown mudslides and low t atheist commies huh?
>>18570306When did you last go to church brother? Remember, lying is a very grave sin.
>>18569901This doesn’t mean rich man bad, pinko
>>18569905>Eating food is worldly and has no place in the minds of the faithful
>>18570339>rich men burn in hell fire for all eternity >this doesn't mean the rich are bad!!!!!Enjoy hell.
>>18570369>>rich men burn in hell fire for all eternityNever said in the bible lol
>>18570376If they're not in heaven where are they?
>>18570382It’s also not said that they aren’t in heaven. Galatians 3:28
>>18569870These nuns are incredibly hot in this art style. Nuns are hot period when not old but still.
>>18569908He's christian not muslim
>>18570311I’ve been going all my life. I went to catholic schools from kindergarten to the 12th grade. I have never heard the word “tradcath” spoken anywhere but here, and I would imagine other armpit/assholes of the internet. You should probably not spend too much time engaging with internet subcultures and stop taking them seriously, only if you personally ascribe to some retarded internet subculture would it make sense why you think they’d even matter. Don’t get lost in a fake world, fighting fake enemies
>>18569870The current and previous pope follow the liberal faction of the immediate Vatican II period compared to JPII and Benedict. As the laity and seminarians of the more recent era come to age, you’ll probably see another return to the conservative faction, if you want to define that as “Trad Cath.” This is as younger/middle aged Catholics usually identify themselves with the more conservative right, unlike before where they were much more loyal to the Democratic Party and adjacent ideologies. Ultimately it’s because the more liberal ones run on limited steam, as the evolution of ideological liberalism eventually settles on becoming secular. Leo is an exception, with himself while on the liberal wing has already offered concessions in terms of rites. He also has better conduct as pope, less afraid of using his authority or weight of his position.
>>18570387Says nothing about rich men being in heaven.
>>18569881>cuckpopesEx cathedra.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Enjoy hell.
>>18569870Because it's a subset of christianity and christianity failed in general.
because pic rel is unironically used as a /pol/ thread right nowit was never genuine, it's culture war bullshit, vibes and aura for pudgy teens on tiktok
>>18570555Cringe overload
>>18570555>take up the sword of your fathers>shows a christcuck whose ideology literally says that our ancestors Adam and Eve are guilty of the ultimate sin and we inherited it from themI get that the Templars were not the most christcucked and there must be some truth in the claim that they worshipped Baphomet but it's very unlikely the person who made this picture and those who use it know it.
>>18570555The culture war is between Christ and chaos.
>>18570515There is neither slave nor free for you are all one in Christ Jesus. You leftist swine are agents of strife who would divide the Church and bring chaos to society
>>18569870it was just a Peter Thiel astroturfed Dasha Nekrasova psyopOnce they got control of the White House again it was no longer needed
>>18570720>Dasha NekrasovaThe endgame of that broad is ending up on BLACKED
>>18570720You know nothing. Dasha has explicitly disavowed the tradcaths - she's just a mainline Catholic conservative that likes the eastern rite.
>>18570724she did a scene with an Indian already tho>>18570726Cope that's just her being a special pick me girl
Because Caths are not trad. They wanted to be some kind of chimera that appeals to woke trannies and old school catholics in ireland and latin america and ended triggering a 2nd reformation with factions like SSPX beginning to split off.
>>18570290Kek
They have long term advantages - the Covid insanity and what it revealed about public education means every single upper-middle + class person is now sending their children to private schools. The long term effects of this, will play out in the next generation. As the world gets browner / more retarded, the competency crisis we’re starting to feel will become more accurate, and politics will be mostly decided by these small cadres of mostly Jesuit educated people
>>18570296They already did those things and they still failed because guess what, Christianity has no truth whatsoever and this is obvious now that everyone has access to mass information
>>18569881Lmao american Protestant groups failed in Europe because even the most conservative Lutherans and Catholics called them out as retarded.
>>18569870not enough sexy nuns giving relief inside confessional booths
More and more zoomers are becoming interested in Judaism. Young men of a Catholic background are posting AI images of them wrapping teffilin, reciting "Baruch Adonai, Elohainu"... Few are catching onto this.
>>18570720Demoncrat delusions
>>18569936When Papal infallibility bites you in the ass, maybe they should've just stuck with whats in the bible
>>18569870The church is designed to resist grassroots movements. The pope selects cardinals and the cardinals select the pope. And all of them are old as fuck. It's all very baked in and slow to change.
>>18569870wow those nuns are hot
>>18569889Orthobros are degenerated tradcaths.
>>18569870the online tradcaths went to church for once and saw a colored person
>>18570720You have to be genuinely delusional to believe Thiel is anything other than an easy to black mail gay man that they briefly attempted to run in the less retarded equivalent of the Rogan circuit. There are probably a hundred or so Thiel-like individuals, they all work in some bleeding edge tech industry, and the government is trying to figure out which one can build the coolest new gun for them. That's it.
>>18573291He had a billionaire dollars from Paypal and used it to sponsor random shit that aligned with his ideology like having Vitalik Buterin drop out of university to make Ethereum to try and corner cryptoIt's exactly in line with who he is
>>18569901Cute, now post the next two verses that directly refute the content of this one. Funny how this was set up as a discerning test exactly for lying sociopathic retards like you and you fell for it. Enjoy Hell, genuinely. You yourself chose it through your adoration of the revolutionary Barabbas over the meekness of Christ.Disappointed at how none of your detractors have actually read the Bible otherwise they would be able to shut this lie down in two seconds instead of falling into the Satanic trap of doing pilpul on the verse's meaning. But hey, this is a board composed of Weimerican trailer trash, what can you expect.
>>18574529>muh verseProtestant nonsense. Read the essence of the parable you autistic retard.
>>18570538what you are doing is no different than niggerball lovers shouting team slogans
>>18574593I am an Orthodox Serb, and you are spreading gnostic nonsense like every Marxist who ever was. The "essence" of the parable is Christ quoting your picrel and then immediately refuting it by saying "But with God, all things are possible", is it not? So, is it possible, with God, for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, or are you a gnostic heretic and insurrectionary acolyte of Barabbas in rebellion against the Apostles and Church Fathers who know far more than you or I on the topic at hand? Any man who holds to an interpretation different to that of the Apostles is not holier than the Apostles, he is wrong and demonic in nature if he goes against Scripture willingly in a bid to deceive and rally others to his cause.By the way, the Monastery is open for you if you want to live in a community where all goods are voluntarily held in common. What are you waiting for exactly? Oh, you want to expropriate those better off than you and give everything over to the most unworthy of all Masters in human history - the secular State, ad you cloak that as some sort of "Christian virtue"? Back to Hell with unrepentant scum like yourself worshiping dead genocidal Theomachic ideologies.
>>18569870Because the entire point of the RCC is cucking to the Pope. If you don't cuck to the Pope you aren't the RCC.
>>18574641>Any man who holds to an interpretation different to that of the Apostles is not holier than the Apostles, he is wrong and demonic in nature if he goes against Scripture willingly in a bid to deceive and rally others to his cause.So who is right between Constantinople and Moscow
>>18574653No one is right in a fight between two factions of Ecumenists and latent neobolsheviks. The beauty of Orthodoxy is that neither has to be - even a junkie under the bridge has the right to rebel against both bishops of Apostolic Sees if he is more aligned to thew faith of the Fathers of the Early Church (in light of a common Biblical talking point about ecclesiastical authority being inherently meaningless in debate, btw). Also, thanks for conceding to both of my points by refusing to address them, I appreciate that very much.
>>18572147Yeah, it’s all very deliberate. If they chose some 40something firebrand cardinal as pope, they could probably mold the church a lot during their time as pope, but when you choose old men who don’t have much time or energy left, they can’t do much to shake the foundations, it’s more about small nudges.
>>18574660>No one is right in a fight between two factions of Ecumenists and latent neobolsheviks. Well at least you're not politically spooked and take one side or the other because it aligns with whatever secular interest you have>The beauty of Orthodoxy is that neither has to be - even a junkie under the bridge has the right to rebel against both bishops of Apostolic Sees if he is more aligned to thew faith of the Fathers of the Early Church (in light of a common Biblical talking point about ecclesiastical authority being inherently meaningless in debate, btw). But don't you have to be under the authority of an orthodox bishop with valid apostolic succession in order to receive valid sacraments though? So which Orthodox patriarchate in the world is the authoritative one today? The historic Pentarchy is dead>Also, thanks for conceding to both of my points by refusing to address them, I appreciate that very muchI'm not that anon
>>18574682people speculated when they chose Francis they were expecting him to die quickly while throwing a bone to the liberals but then he just refused to die
>>18574619>Catholicism is niggerball lovers shouting team slogansCorrect.
>>18574685>But don't you have to be under the authority of an orthodox bishop with valid apostolic succession in order to receive valid sacraments though?Correct.>So which Orthodox patriarchate in the world is the authoritative one today? The historic Pentarchy is deadThe Orthodox world doesn't operate with one office being the sole authority like the RC. It is synodal in nature and issues of doctrine and any topic affecting the faith, must be decided through a majority consensus of the Holy Synod, which was always the intent of Christ.
>>18574729>majority consensusNope, not this Jewish bullshit again. In reality any decision that isn't unanimous will likely get ignored in a few generations even by it's initial proponent Patriarchate. Hence why our dogma hasn't really changed much since way back in the day when we were fighting Nestorians, and that's not for lack of trying by the immense efforts of Papist-placating Jesuits since the 1600s and over a century of an intense "crusade for secularisation" by the Ecumenical movement and it's various degeneracies. Arguably I could extend that further and use the Council of Florence as an example, back when we Serbs ruined the entire scheme they contrived to bring Orthodoxy under the Papal boot.No unanimity = No acceptance.>>18574685>But don't you have to be under the authority ofWe don't use such terminology. I can disagree with my bishop's entire worldview and my sacraments are still valid in theory. In practice excommunication of Orthodox laity is almost impossible even for obvious bad actors, though this is more a development of modernity than an actual policy or dogma. It just doesn't happen these days, but it doesn't happen in Catholicism either so you know how it is. I am still under the authority of Porfirije even though I consider him a pathetic blackmailed UDBA asset who is selling off valuable cultural heritage at the behest of our mafia government (he recognised the so called "Macedonian" Orthodox Church) + openly mingling with Papists way too much. Almost no one in the priesthood actually agrees with the guy either, except for obvious state security assets from his mileu. I'm incredibly skeptical of pretty much every modern Church except maybe the ROCOR faction that refused to reunite with Moscow - I wish I could open parishes for them in Serbia en masse to wage hybrid war against this slop ZOG mafia colonial regime on another front. That's what I'd do if I had any money to my name, but oh well.
>>18574519I don't think Thiel has an ideology, I don't find NRx to be particularly compelling or ideological, it is so bland, in fact, that I am fairly certain it is closer to an informal business relationship.
>>18569870The existence of the printing press.Mass literacy in the population.Tradcaths wanting to be their own priests, including reading and interpreting the bible for themselves, which is antithetical to the whole concept of traditional Catholicism.
>read pre 20th century revolutions>some catholics and protestants chimp out and nearly destroy city, more join in after watching some operaliterally wtf was wrong with people before WW1? Was mass schizophrenia widely accepted? Like you could just be drinking coffee at a cafe and then bam a few hundred schizophrenics start brawling in the streets with each other over bible verse interpretations? Was everywhere like the middle east before radio?
>>18575136its a combo of people taking said faith far far more seriously back then, people just not valueing others lives nearly as much, and the fact many had far far less to lose from just starting random chimp outs
>>18569870Because all"trad" programs are based predominately on exegesis of peripheral passages of Scripture, and thus lend less relative weight to the pivotal ones.In what way is it really "more Christian" to lend immense weight to far-fetched exegesis of a peripheral phrase of Isaiah than to things Jesus explicitly states as his rules?
>>18575250Specifically, in the Bible we have this>When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ >On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
>>18569889Wrong ethnicity to practice it thoughever. I'm not Eastern European so its a bad fit.
>>18569936>Catholicism is when you're a braindead edgelord reactionaryCan't wait for Tel Aviv to be turned into ashes
>>18570182Not all of us did. Orthodoxy is a bridge too far for me.
>>18570555I blame Dark Souls
>>18574729>The Orthodox world doesn't operate with one office being the sole authority like the RC. It is synodal in nature and issues of doctrine and any topic affecting the faith, must be decided through a majority consensus of the Holy Synod, which was always the intent of Christ.Yeah but the different Patriachates disagree and some have excommunicated each other and I was wondering what anon's position was and as he laid it out in >>18574813 he seems based
>>18574955It's probably just a convenient thing that his beliefs would also be to the benefit of his personal financial situationI don't think he personally is NRx he just funds those guys because they're adjacent to his weird gay neo-Savonarola-ism
>>18569870Protestant and Catholic is not a real thing in reality. These are just labels but all that happened was mass literacy.
>>18575321what did mass literacy do?
>>18570369>rich men burn in hell fire for all eternity Where does it say that in that verse?
>>18575271Orthobros are just russoboos, they never try to become trad Old Believers because those curse the Tsars and they want to suck Nicholas II's cock.
>>18575397You take the lowest common denominator and then generalize that to an entire population of converts. It's strange how in the eyes of most people it is unthinkable that anyone could have a genuine reawakening of faith. Any decisive choice or change in someone's life, for that matter, must be condensed into some trite observation that can be used to mock the person that is taking action. I guess until now I never realized how fucking loathsome this behavior is.
>>18569870Because the mainstream Catholic Church turned into libtards
>>18575412If you don't want to be stereotyped, don't be a stereotype.
>>18569901how about see the whole passage and the surrounding ones too you can still get into heaven while being rich
>>18575439It's not even a fucking stereotype dude. Who in the world gives a shit about the Tsarist regime? Maybe the 3 monarchists in the corner, sure, but no mainstream converts are keeping Icons of the martyred Romanovs.
>>18575275>le being a reactionary means you must support kikes Sorry Jew, I reject your false dichotomy, I curse both the Catholic church as well as judaism and their Hindu and Muslim pets.
>>18569870Crypto Lutherans and American Quislings.
>>18569870Because the point of Catholicism is "the Pope is boss". You can't have a "the Pope is the supreme boss" movement without a Pope.>TradCath: I serve the Pope. I speak Latin.>Pope: I don't want to be served. I don't want you to speak Latin.>TradCath: UHHH UMMM. I SERVE THE POPE. I SPEAK LATIN. DEUS VULT.>Pope: I'm abolishing your local parishes Latin masses.>TradCath: The Pope didn't do this. The communists did! Yeah. That's it.
>>18575712Glad this offended you enough to respond. Hook, line and sinker.
>>18569870The 'Tradcath Revival' was never a mass movement, despite their claims to the contrary, it was primarily concentrated in a subset of young right-leaning men becoming convinced that religion was integral to the success of Western civilization and it was necessary to return to faith to save it. From then on it came time to decide what religion - Paganism seemed too LARPy and niche, Mainline Protestantism is basically just left-wing activism in some nice old buildings and vestaments, Orthodoxy seemed too foreign and they didn't want to be the one Anglo in the Bulgarian Orthodox parish, they were too smart (and status conscious) to join an anti-intellectual movement like evangelicalism - so Catholicism was the only game in town.The trouble was most of these converts were much more political than religious - they joined Catholicism because it was 'trad' and 'based', not because they felt an intense spiritual connection with it. Their 'faith' was in many if not most cases very shallow.Then it turned out that rather than being the based crusader church they imagined the Church is actually left-liberal on migration, environmentalism, economics, race-relations... everything except a handful of socially conservative positions that they are increasingly embarrassed by but technically can't drop because doing so would undermine their claim to be the repository of all truth, so they just de-emphasise now. I expect the church will pretty much entirely stop talking about it's opposition to homosexuality soon, even if it technically remains on the books. Just like technically Catholicism teaches that the husband is the head of the family, but guess how often they openly state that. Plus the Church clearly sees that faith in the White world is drying up and wants to cater to Africa as it's best hope for a future. In short, the neo-trads never really believed to begin with, and the church has made it clear they don't want them.
>>18576055What about those of the same demographic who became Eastern Orthodox and support BRICS?
>>18569870Didn't address the JQ.
>>18576055This is a spot on assessment. I've been around a few of these tradcaths and what I noticed is that most of them are proudly ignorant about the Bible, canons, and doctrines of the RC. It is an apostate church that has fully embraced modernity. I do feel sorry for the tradcaths, because they are lost sheep seeking a shepherd, only to find one that wants to fuck them and eat them.
>>18576055I think the internet has given you an inflated sense of how many people were actually converting. It is easy to see hundreds of posts with hundreds of thousands of interactions each and forget that these large numbers are not only incredibly marginal relative to the actual population, but also that each interaction or post does not necessarily reflect a unique individuals experience or conversion. The rest of your social commentary is milquetoast at best, but it's based off the faulty assumption that there actually was some grand religious revival that has sputtered out. In truth the loss of religion is part of the reason why western cultures are currently disappearing, and it is easy to conflate the death of western cultures with a smaller failure of an imagined religious revival that is necessarily subordinated to it. There can be no rising numbers of converts or a mass traditionalist revival in a society that is currently halving its native population each successive generation.
>>18576055>they were too smart (and status conscious) to join an anti-intellectual movement like evangelicalismI disagree, online chuddism is extremely anti-intellectual, their ideology relies on spreading misinformation through memes about history and natural sciences like climatology. They didn't flock to Evangelicalism because of their reverence of Israel, that's it.
>>18577073Some of it is performative anti-intellectualism to get an audience. The ones doing this are easy to point out since they haven't even bothered to convert their hindu children or whatever.
>>18569870You can't be 'right wing' if you submit to a foreign head of state, Nationalist ideology requires that foreigners have no power over someone else's homeland. 'Tradcaths' are traitors or larpers.
>>18575412>It's strange how in the eyes of most people it is unthinkable that anyone could have a genuine reawakening of faith.It is unthinkable that anyone following this guy is having a genuine reawakening of faith.
>>18575973And the next step>Pope: You’re schismatic and I’m excommunicating you. Also I’m not going to defrock let alone excommunicate all the sodomy supporters like the German bishops or James Martin S.J.
>>18569870People go into it imagining the Catholic Church of 600 years ago. But only the based parts, like fighting Muslims. Then they see the Pope telling people to love Muslims and get totally demoralized.
>>18569870Because zoomers were only in it for the meme aesthetic. Christianity being a dying religion doesn't help retain any of the more genuine converts as well.
>>18576055>religion was integral to the success of Western civilizationTrue>it was necessary to return to faith to save itFalseYou can't look at the way the church spread Roman institutions across Europe, upheld learning and cultural continuity, and helped balance the power of the state, and say that it wasn't all incredibly important to Europe becoming the amazing thing it became. At the same time, it provides limited value currently, and has been a net negative since the 18th Century where Christianity and reactionary movements became tightly intertwined, attacking the Enlightenment ideals which allowed Europe to fully, decisively pull ahead of the rest of the world. And somehow in the 21st Century, Catholicism has managed to embrace all of the negative aspects of left-wing thought like social democracy and infinity blacks for Europe, while rejecting many of the positive currents of liberalism and leftism.
It was a synthetic movement stoked on by Steve bannon and Jeffery Epstein to drive a wedge between Pope Francis and young Catholic men.
It turns out the Pope isn't based and redpilled.This severely disappointed all the young men who converted because they wanted a religious identity to back up their reactionary politics, racism, and misogyny. They realized the secular world won't give them this kind of moral authority, since it's founded on moral relativism and moreover every secular authority is fully feminist and progressive. So they turned to religion. Protestants are too splintered to convey any institutional authority to them, and they have gay / female pastors now, so in their view are not compatible with reactionary politics. So they went to the Catholic Church next, thinking this venerable institution with all its hierarchy and stuffy rules must surely be a bastion of conservative culture. Except it, too, bowed to secular politics in the 20th century and the modern church no longer runs inquisitions or calls crusades against heathens or even takes a particularly hard line against contraception and abortion. Not that most of the "tradcaths" really care too much about their conservative politics, either, what they really are is reactionary in the most fundamental sense. They feel aggrieved by the current progressive order and so formed a political identity in opposition to it. This quest for religious identity is just an extension of this, and an attempt to find some post-facto meaning in their beliefs, so that they can then pretend their reactionary views stem from something other than personal grievance. TL;DR it was a hypocritical movement from its inception
>>18577260Secular attempts at education imploded within 50 years. It actually makes people dumber now than just having run around like half naked savages in the woods.
>>18577676>the Pope isn't based and redpilledHe's still infallible, and extra ecclesiam nulla salus. ;)
>>18577683>It actually makes people dumber now than just having run around like half naked savages in the woods.Savages running around the woods actually learn valuable survival skills, like how to forage and hunt, how to navigate in the wild, find water, how to make things by hand, etc. Schools increasingly don't teach people anything useful at all. Even basic literacy and math.
>>18577689Yeah, and that's the rub for the tradcaths. They joined the "obey the Pope" religion and now they don't like having to obey the pope. Womp womp.
>>18577221his discord is pure cancer, 90% politics but using muh bazed ordodogsy to as proof for everything they already believed. One day half of these people will leave for the next fad religion once orthodoxy isn't trending on tik tok anymoreIf you tried to take a debate off of the dialog tree they memorized, they just chimp out and mute you for not knowing philosophy well enough to debate a discord mod. I was eventually banned for saying I would rather live around white atheists in the northeast than in mobile alabama, which the mods think is less degenerate somehow
>>18577221>google this guy>he's literally the praying for based Putin to destroy the (((west))) memeLollmao
>>18577884You don't understand geopolitics or philosophy. Did you know he went to bahnsen seminary? Not to say he's an expert, he's a comedian, but he has a masters from bahnsen seminary. Do you even know what a fallacy is? 25 years of debate experience
>>18577221That's exactly the point though, you are taking a microcelebrity and your personal hatred for him and blowing that up across a poorly defined movement that may or may not actually exist.
>>18570571You're quoting a remark on free-will. Mankind has it, but Christ does not judge. Repent or face God's testiculartortion.
>>18577897Dugin predicted this. I will now convert to esoteric patriotic homosexuality.
>>18575475>>18574529When Jesus heard this he said to him, “There is still one thing left for you: sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor, and you will have a treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 23 But when he heard this he became quite sad, for he was very rich.On Riches and Renunciation. 24 Jesus looked at him [now sad] and said, “How hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 Those who heard this said, “Then who can be saved?” 27 And he said, “What is impossible for human beings is possible for God.” 28 Then Peter said, “We have given up our possessions and followed you.” 29 He said to them, “Amen, I say to you, there is no one who has given up house or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 who will not receive [back] an overabundant return in this present age and eternal life in the age to come.”This just reaffirms the anti-wealth message.
I go to mass because, for now, the priests are whiter than my local non-serbian/macedonian orthodox churches.And of course I hate wogs, so I'm not listening to four hours of glibbleglibble from one either.
>>18577943What an utterly monstrous message.
>>18577943>>18577960Jesus told this *one guy* how *he* could be saved. The guy was arguing with God that he had kept all the commandments already. So, basically Jesus told him to become a monastic. When the guy refused to follow God, it revealed that this guy does not worship God, he worships Mammon. Jesus is not against wealth per se, just its misuse. St. John Chrysostom said, “The rich exist for the sake of the poor. The poor exist for the salvation of the rich.”
>>18577999Jesus's parables and guidelines are not specific, but general.
>>18578015Gee, I think I'm gonna go with the Orthodox Church's teachings on this rather than some troll dipshit on 4channel.
Guys it's very important to me that I can believe my favorite billionaires are good people who will be there in heaven.
>>18578026What other teachings of Jesus only apply to the specific individual involved in the passage?
>>18578029Patriarch Kirill is loaded and that proves being rich is based. Enjoy Hell.
>>18575475>you can still get into heaven while being richThe meaning is that, with God, even the rich can become willing to give up everything they have to secure a place for themselves in the kingdom of heaven."So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions." (Luke 14:33)"But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation." (Luke 6:24)
>>18577260>At the same time, it provides limited value currently, and has been a net negative since the 18th Century where Christianity and reactionary movements became tightly intertwined, attacking the Enlightenment ideals which allowed Europe to fully, decisively pull ahead of the rest of the world. This is a false association. The Enlightenment was nothing more than a Neo-pagan revivalist movement, it hand nothing to do with the ascendance of the West. That was due to colonialism and the ability of the colonial powers to access a vast arrays of material goods and capital, that allowed for rapid development in Europe and in North America. What the Enlightenment did was normalize slavery, in all of its forms, and inhumane social systems. Christianity, was the only thing preventing the excesses of the Enlightenment from completely destroying humanity.>And somehow in the 21st Century, Catholicism has managed to embrace all of the negative aspects of left-wing thought like social democracy and infinity blacks for Europe, while rejecting many of the positive currents of liberalism and leftism.There is nothing positive about Classical Liberalism, nothing good comes out of Rosicrucian and Masonic secret cults. No one who wants to impact in the world in positive manner operates in the shadows, that's an absurd notion. RC bows before the globo homo agenda, because every aspect of church leadership has been compromised.
>>18577915That has literally nothing to do with free will, commie fool
>>18578075Taking more verses out of context, corrupting scripture like the devil.In the same passage, the Lord says “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.” But nothing could be farther from His mind than that one hate their own mother and their own life. He clarifies His meaning, saying “For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?” Whence it is clear He means one must count their relationships and property and even their own life as nothing relative to the kingdom of God, and give them up for Christ without hesitation.In the other place, this is parallel to His statement in the same passage “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.” And from the parallel in Matthew He says “poor in spirit”. Now, who is poor in spirit, who is disinterested to be rich, except the Christian people? And thus the rich here stands for unbelievers, which by nature desire to be rich.Ephesians 6:5-8Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the integrity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, serving with good will as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.
>>18578216>Ephesians 6:5-8Knowers know, by a similar process that allows you to boldly claim what couldn't have been farther from Jesus' mind when he spoke of hating one's family and one's life, that the pro-slavery content in Paul's letters was added later, along with the misogynistic content and the government-as-divine-agent content.
>>18578233Source: I made it up because I’m trans
Organised religion is for retards, that's why.
>>18578262To call the vast majority of people who’ve ever lived retards can’t be accurate
>>18578269Atheists are autotheists so they unironically believe they personally are the greatest being to ever exist.
>>18578269You've taken that anon's quote out of context. Proper exegesis of it reveals that he only meant to call you specifically a retard.
>>18578289Damn, silly me
i'm under the impression most "trad caths" were converts from protestantism and their enthusiasm for their newfound religion was met with absolute apathy and confusion from the average catholic. If you go to the average church all you're going to find are people going through the motions. Not even the priests seem to care. If you go there and ask for info the old office ladies will act annoyed and like they don't want new people coming in.
>>18578197How does the idea that each individual has the right to liberty 'normalise slavery'?>globo homoNationalism is a liberal, enlightenment ideology and is utterly inimical to globalism.
>>18578197>RC bows before the globo homo agenda, because every aspect of church leadership has been compromised.The catholic church is, and has always been, globohomo lol
>>18569870>catholic seethe detected >
>>18569870those nuns are really fuckable
>>18579677The Popes harem
Not enough refugee feet kissed.
>>18569870God is dead.
>>18569870I want to be with god. But I know it is not possible with Christianity. Christianity is the perversion that has brought me here. Nevertheless, I did not stop to go to church. Or to pray and read the bible. There is a value to it, even though it is a value that is twisted. It is not worthless to me. The task is to reinvent "religion". This is the difficulty.
The Modern West will have to be destroyed utterly for Christendom to return. And I mean totally, utterly smashed, ripped up by the roots, shattered and blasted and burnt.The first step will be the downfall of the United States as it has currently existed. Hopefully either Trump stays in power indefinitely or Vance is a Caesar-type. Even if the military moves against them as a result, the resulting catastrophe would eviscerate the United States. And since the USA is the thing holding up the postwar order, if it fails spiritually and philosophically, the postwar order goes with it.Regarding both Francis and Leo, my attitude towards them is that they're too wedded to Vatican 2, which was really just the shellshocked reaction of a bunch of Greatest Gen types to the world wars and the Holocaust. It's evident to me that Vatican 2 is a failed council like Lateran V and Florence, and the sooner the Church moves on from it, the better.But this, too, is tied up in the postwar order and the Americans, because Vatican 2 and the post-conciliar Church ARE guardians of the postwar order. The Vatican 2 Church is too tied up in the post-World-War-2 world, and the Church won't begin to seriously heal until that world is blasted out of existence.So, again, the End of America as it has existed is key to all of this, and fortunately, that's way closer than I could ever have envisioned a decade ago. All that's left now is a serious move to collapse the constitutional order. The right man, or the right crisis, will do it. And we've got some crises coming up that could be perfect.And my attitude towards Leo is that, if I get what I want, if I can help engineer what I want, he'll thank me later.
>>18578629>How does the idea that each individual has the right to liberty 'normalise slavery'?"Liberty" within the context of Classical Liberalism means that man is free from religious, ethical, moral, and social norms. By shattering these pillars of identity that ground people and give them humanity, the elites are able to create the image of a Promethean man. A blank that can be fashioned into whatever elites want him to be. Whether it be a cog in an economic system, a sex doll, or simple chattel. If a mans existence is reduced to being a simple interchangeable part or tool, then what value is his life according to his masters? This is why in the past 300 years, the world has witnessed the most inhumane massacres and systems of governance in human history. >Nationalism is a liberal, enlightenment ideology and is utterly inimical to globalism.Nationalism was fostered to create the way for globalism. If people can be convinced to worship the state, and be made to believe that people they have little in common with share their beliefs and values, then they can be convinced to bow before a foreign regime and accept the values of cultures completely alien to their own.
>>18580267This post makes me glad Christianity is dying
>>18580267Catholics of all Christians should be the last denomination hoping and praying for some secular apocalypse to save them from modernity.
>>18580289Why not? The collapse of the Roman Empire in the West was arguably a great boon for the Church. Perhaps history could repeat.
>>18569870>Trad Cath revivalThere never was one. All of the shilling to this end has been based on false information. America and the West are not getting significantly more religious. You are seeing small groups of Gen Z etc. become more active in faith - which these guys took and made a systematic trend.>so hard?The Vatican has no interest in Traditional Catholicism as evidenced by its continued adherence to and defence of the Second Vatican Council (and its corollaries). Sedevecantists and Sedeprivitionists have been well aware of this fact and arguing for it - the TradCaths (SSPX, FSPP, etc) ignore it. Now with the SSPX excommunicated the "remain and resist" position is DOA.
