>>18571565
Caesar crossing the Rubicon. Constantine bending the knee to Christianity.

>>18571565
All of the wars that happened as in-fighting amongst ourselves. Such as the Civil War. Scottish clans that fought each other and therefore caused their own downfall against the British when they showed up and decided to just conquer them. The barbarians in the north actually gave the Romans a good fight. They didn’t screw up and just kill each other and get conquered by Rome and then watch William Wallace get executed and asking him to renounce everything he did. After the founding of USA all the founding fathers fighting for their survival for signing the Declaration of Independence and then when they burned the first White House. Pretty much anything to do with in-fighting and that should consist of a universal truth… so blacks shouldn’t be killing blacks either. Etc. but mainly I focused on those things. The worst and most cursed is when your own is killing ourselves.

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The more you read about the events leading up to the 410 sack of Rome the more you will face palm. It is genuinely shocking how stupid Honorius and the senate had to be for that to happen. Alaric was a good man and a good king. They all but forced him to attack the city through sheer retardation.

>>18571565
The present ones are going down in history as being worse.

>>18571565
ROSEMARY

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>>18571565
Absolutely the disease of the White man that wiped out 99% of Native Americans. No, that number is not an exaggeration. It used to be 90%

That was completely and utterly bullshit

>>18571577
>Constantine bending the knee to Christianity.
It was inevitable. Half of Rome was already either Christian or under their influence
In fact, by the time Christianity was legalized, it was already the state religion of Georgia, Assyria, and Ethiopia

Politicians must bend the knee to the majority.
Vox Populi, Vox Dei

>>18571654
>It was inevitable. Half of Rome was already either Christian or under their influence
>In fact, by the time Christianity was legalized, it was already the state religion of Georgia, Assyria, and Ethiopia
Nevertheless it was a disaster. But sure, let's modify the answer to say that Claudius and Nero et al did not nip Roman Christianity in the bud, put up some state Christ temple, forcing early Christians to fall in line and sacrifice there and to the rest of the pantheon. But I guess that happened over time and not at one single moment.

So that brings us back to Caesar crossing the Rubicon, since that's what directly led to the substandard governance and political chaos that prevented Rome from acting swiftly and decisively and remove the Christian threat.

>>18571654
Why didn't your god work his magic to save the indios then, choncho

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>>18571565
>Be Rome
>Don't really understand commerce
>kinda famously bad at math
>muh arches and aqueducts are all X's and M's
>all these squares make a circle
>Western Mediterranean Jews are good at math
>almost killed your great grandparents by multiplying gold into mercenaries
>as you do
>Cato goes to their Jew city with the meme round harbor
>He freaks out
>He's kinda autistic
>"Furthermore we can't let them cook"
>Romans go over there and tell them to give gold
>they do
>they want to surrender
>Swear allegiance to the Republic
>To Democracy (of a sort)
>Romans ask for more gold
>as you do
>They give
>They ask to surrender again
>Romans tell them to go twenty miles inland and torch their city.
>They refuse
>The absolute fucking audacity
>Romans besiege the city
>are repulsed several times
>How fucking dare they
>eventually The romans break through because this is literally one city we're talking about here
>loot, rape, pillage, repeat
>occasionally throw salt
>Realize this was a retarded move like 100 years later and rebuild the city
>It's not the same tho
>Zero vibes


Dumb fucks could have had it all, for free. Best port in the Mediterranean, best Merchants anywhere, all paying Roman taxes through a Roman governor. And we would have had actual Carthaginian written sources about all kinds of wild shit. But Romans had to swing their dicks around like goddamn monkeys.

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>>18571662
There were already 2 attempts at adding Christ to the Roman Patheon
Both failed because Christians rejected the idea of having any other gods than Jesus

And no, you can impose any policy, martyr any saint, and make it illegal to convert to Christianity
And it would still fail

Christianity took over by the simple fact that it overwhelming cared for the poor, the sick, and the oppressed. The 99% of the population
One of the biggest events that led to Christian conversion happened during the plague of Antonine
Dionysus of Alexandria wrote about how the plague forced the Roman pontifex to flee the city and it got so bad that families would often always abandon their own relatives just to save themselves from the plague
But Christians did not just stayed to help. They also called for Churches allover Rome to come for aid

It was estimated that the presence of a Chruch alone guarantees an increase of 60% survival in times of plague simply because they provide aid to those in need

Christians gained such a massive PR at the cost of a disastrous reputation for the Pontifex. It got so bad that Julian the Apostate wrote an edict calling Pagan temples to be more venerable towards their neighbors


>>18571665
The indios died precisely because God was at work
And I do mean this
The death of the Native Americans led to Europe recieving such a massive boost in the economy, it rendered the entire Silk Road completely obsolete, which, in turn, also led to Europe crushing the Ottomans

The entire Age of Exploration was a desperate attempt at outflanking the Ottomans by converting the otherside of the world. But it actually led to the destruction of the Muslim strangehold over the world economy

>>18571733
>flip flops from seething about euro diseases killing the indios to "um ackhaoally it was based because..."
man you latinxers really have no principles do you lol

>>18571738
You can have both
You can mourn the loss of entire civilizations but also see the necessity of it in the Grand Scale

Case in point: Rome
We all mourn the loss but we also cannot deny that had Rome continued to survive, there wouldn't be an Age of Exploration

>>18571654
>Absolutely the disease of the White man that wiped out 99% of Native Americans. No, that number is not an exaggeration. It used to be 90%
The worst part is that European diseases disproportionately effected more urbanized Native American populations like the Pueblo, who were among the first to die off, leaving only the more nomadic tribes left. I've said it before and I'll say it again, from the Native American's perspective, North America was a post-apocalyptic wasteland by the 18th century

>>18571741
If his intention was really to stop the Ottomans you are literally retarded to think that was helped by 90% of the post-Conquest population of (what's now Mexico) dying by disease.

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>>18571743
Worse
It targeted the friendly tribes and kept alive the animalistic tribes

Hence why the Spanish and Portuguese accounts speak of great cities
Whereas European accounts talk about absolute blood thirsty barbarism of men who are barely even human

>>18571751
>God targeted friendly tribes and cities instead of the unfriendly ones
Truly a cosmic jester

>>18571754
I hate it too
But had they survived, America would be like Africa where Christian teachings get mixed with voodoo

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>>18571758
>America would be like Africa where Christian teachings get mixed with voodoo
Yeah, latinxers are incredibly lucky they avoided that

>>18571768
Yup. Exactly
She is the last surviving Aztec god and she is the god worshipped by the Cartels

>>18571565
The assasination of Franz Ferdinand. Not only it was allowed by a massive streak of bad luck (unless more people were on it than acknowledged) he was the cork in the bottle who held everybody else from starting the war.

Without it, there would be no WW1, no WW2, and no communism.

>>18571654
Nope. Before Constantine, Christians made up roughly 10 percent of the Roman population. Maybe 6 million people. A sizable minority, sure, but hardly dominant. Constantine reigned from 306 to 337. Theodosius I reigned from 379 to 395. By the end of the 4th century, after Theodosius banned paganism and closed the temples, it was only then that Christians had become the overwhelming majority.

>>18571565
stalingrad
it was never the objective to take the city and it was never the soviets intention to really fight to preserve it but both sides got sucked in via sunk cost

>>18571565
The holocaust

>>18571565
A lasting contamination of the German race with Slavic DNA following World War II. Around 70% of the lineages in Germany are now tainted. Combined with forced relocations and murder (genocide), this is an atrocity on a par with Genghis Khan.

>>18571733
>There were already 2 attempts at adding Christ to the Roman Patheon
>Both failed because Christians rejected the idea of having any other gods than Jesus
>And no, you can impose any policy, martyr any saint, and make it illegal to convert to Christianity
>And it would still fail
As long as Christianity was still a small minority it was very much a solvable problem. See how Japan dealed with it for an example of how it can be done. And that was with missionaries whos whole existence revolved around spreading christcuckery. It goes without saying that there are infinitely more attack vectors against people with familes and children to make them comply and fall in line.
>Christians gained such a massive PR at the cost of a disastrous reputation for the Pontifex. It got so bad that Julian the Apostate wrote an edict calling Pagan temples to be more venerable towards their neighbors
Keep in mind that this history was written by Christcucks who had monopoly on editing and copying manuscripts for the next 1500 years or so. It's not exactly surprising they would have themselves coming out smelling roses and the terrible roman pagans as homosexual decadent murderous barbarians. But by every reasonable measure it was the other way around.

>>18571580
>Scottish clans that fought each other and therefore caused their own downfall against the British
The Scottish are British. Assuming any fighting like that is in-fighting assumes a monolith group with the same interests, but there wasn’t. Many Scots had good reasons to support the government and many Scots and even clans did well because of it, like the Campbells.

>>18571651
MIKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAYNHw0p34E

>>18572248
Scottish tribes weren’t British. You mean when they started breeding with them by force. Scottish tie back to nords from the north and ancient Viking nords. If you’re wanting to argue “they were cousins because they are all white people” then they still had different enough language and customs and tribal systems just like the Irish which btw you couldn’t handle christisnizing them because even when they turned Roman Catholic after saint patrick they still weren’t even really under the pope yet for hundreds of years yet because they didn’t know anything about Roman Catholicism. Saint Patrick wasn’t even Roman Catholic, he was just a Christian sharing the gospel and then Roman Catholics decided to take credit from their ignorance, gullibility and vulnerability. Just like when Protestants figured out oh my God, the kjv bible tells us the Roman Catholic Church is demons from hell. So they tried to reform the church. The rest of us just recognized that we were never Roman Catholic to begin with. Btw the Roman Catholics burned John Husk alive, and he said he forgives them, but then he said a swan will come and you won’t be able to do what you did to me. That’s when Martin Luther came next.

every colonial project, both interracial and intraracial. every dead language.

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>>18572482
>all this religious sperging
Holy shit. They’re British because they live in Britain. They’re not the exact same as the English but they live on Britain and are still closely related. They also heavily participated in the British Empire. Some clans are derived from the Norse originally (MacDonalds, MacDougalls, MacLeods), but they are made up of a lot of the same stuff as the Britons that lived in Britain before the Anglo-Saxons.

>>18572599
Nope, Scottish were their own tribes and their own thing. Didn’t you watch Braveheart? It was a true film. The infighting was real. If they hadn’t done it, they wouldn’t have been British.

>>18572482
The pope literally sent St Patrick back to Ireland to convert them, made him a *bishop* through the faculties of the church in Britain.
Ireland rapidly became so Catholic that their *monks* spread their particular form of *confession* and other learning all over western Europe.

The heretic false teachers who spoon fed you this drivel, they're openly lying to your face and you're too mentally out to lunch to notice that.
It's so crazy the mental gymnastics protties will go through just to rationalize away true apostolicity.

>>18572733
That’s a lying myth that the pope did it. Patrick was a family Christian, meaning his parents and grandparents were priests and helpers in the early church and never were Roman Catholic. They were married with children, Patrick wouldn’t have even existed if he was Roman Catholic. Saint Patrick was sainted when he was actually just sharing the gospel like a normal Christian.
Again you aren’t realizing that Catholic Ireland weren’t even realizing their mistake in making Catholic Churches yet. They were still under a language barrier and too gullible to question it. Even if they knew it doesn’t justify the Protestant Cromwell to then genocide Roman Catholics under the Christian crusader guise which just means Cromwell Protestantism is no better than Roman Catholicism.
I’m crazy and heretical for saying Scotland was spiritually its own beautiful people? The point of it was to put the finger on in-fighting. Not to discuss your desire for Scotland to be Britain. After they were conquered and became Britain, sure, it’s irreversible. And good can come of it. But that’s like saying “we sinned, and we never repented.”

"We Irish, though dwelling at the far ends of the earth, are all disciples of Saint Peter and Saint Paul ... we are bound to the Chair of Peter, and although Rome is great and renowned, through that Chair alone is she looked on as great and illustrious among us ... On account of the two Apostles of Christ, you are almost celestial, and Rome is the head of the whole world, and of the Churches."

- St Columbanus, circa 615, in communion with the pope


From the time of the first establishment of Christianity in Ireland, down through the present day, there has never once been a time when the *true* church there were not in communion with Rome.
This indisputable fact makes protestants shake and foam at the mouth with indolent rage. So damaging is this early history of Irish Catholicism to their polemics that they will simply lie to one another about it in the hopes that their deception is uncritically accepted.

>>18572750
You clearly don't know that priestly celibacy (refraining from marriage) is a discipline of the church, not dogmatic.

You have no idea what church disciplines even are.
Because you don't actually know anything about Catholicism other than the lies your heretic false teachers told you.

The pope, if he were so inclined, is absolutely within his power and right to universally lift that particular discipline tomorrow if he decided to. That discipline was imposed in the middle ages because of corruption and abuses.

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>>18571565
>What are some of the most cursed moments in history that should’ve never happened?
>Partitions of Poland.
It set back our development for centuries. We're still recovering from it.
>Europeans interbreeding with ative Americans.
We could've had a second white empire, like the US. Instead, we have a savage continent with hundrets of millions of mystery meats.

>>18572776
>Poland
No way fags

>>18572756
Who cares? That quote is 200 years later. The pope didn’t even start to get involved hundreds of years later because of the language barrier to the Celtic Gaelic and because they didn’t know what that was about in the first place. They merely received the gospel. Trying to take ownership of it later when they were gullible. Again, you failing to show or convince me that they were sent by the pope.
The rest of your post is convinced of yourself by the quote, lol. Have fun with that. You didn’t convince anyone that they converted to the Roman Catholic Church. Saint Patrick was an actual gospel preacher, not a pope/papal stooge or herald.
>>18572772
I know exactly what Jesus Christ taught me. That belief and the church isn’t the Roman Catholic Church, and you are a heretic that burns in hell for your rejection of the gospel, and the Spanish Inquisition, and crusades, and forced conversion all throughout the entire world from the pope’s decrees.

Saint Patrick was kidnapped by Irish pirates, who by the way was called savages, wild, cannibals who lived in the woods by their neighbors, and the Roman Catholic Church. Prior to being sainted, he was just a boy who shares the gospel. “No no no papal sisters, our institution of the Roman Catholic Church did this and introduced Papal Rome Crusader Christianity to the Irish. The pope himself takes credit for Patrick, remembering the gospel, and sharing it, therefore it belongs to the pope of Rome.”
Thanks Cromwell. By the way, that was also Roman Catholics.
If you say “the pope sent Palladius in 431 AD though!”
Palladius came there to force the Roman Empire on them, that is why they drove him out and he fled. If you could come up with being any more of an irritating person than literally showing up and building a church called “The House of Rome” in Druidic Ireland, it would be called “The House of Rome that Kills Druids” on their own island.

This thread became:
Scotland was its own country.
“Noooo, Roman Catholic Church owns that. You can’t have it, it belongs to Britain. I am king and royalty.”
Then I said the gospel is the kingdom of God. Patrick was just a boy sharing the gospel after he got kidnapped. “Nooo, you have to have the Roman Catholic pope and institution saint you for it to work and be God Official (tm)(R).”
Jesus said to bludgeon the snake’s children biting at my heel behind me, and bruise their head.
William Wallace was right.

>>18571565
>>18571577
>>18571580
>>18571581
Jews continuing to exist.

>>18573002
Yes. Like 99.99% of them because God’s Word said there will always be a “remnant,” but never said how many. I guess.

>>18572878
>the language barrier

someone hasn't read the Lorica of St Patrick yet
pro tip, it's originally in *Hiberno-Latin*
as someone approaching it for the first time, I was immediately able to identify many Latin words in there and struck by how awful the later 19th Latin translation of it is

in that this later translator actually missed plain Latin words that are in that prayer, in parts it's almost comically bad
your words are actually an insult to the intelligence of the Irish, who for centuries were among the most educated and devoted Catholics in Europe and to whom the continent owes a very great deal

>>18572983
Scot is a word that, as Columbanus uses it, actually refers to the Irish originally.

You're so out of your depth here is actually kind of endearing.

To explain a little further exactly what I mean about the Irish taking unusually quick to specifically Latin, Columbanus' name is itself Latin.
From the root Latin word meaning "dove".

In fact, the Irish scribes actually revolutionized writing *in general* and the subsequent use of Latin elsewhere by introducing punctuation and *spaces between words*.
For centuries thereafter, these men would leave us some of the most beautiful distinctly Catholic patrimony known to the early medieval period.

Supposing our unfortunately confused prottie anon ITT actually does believe himself to have some real connection to the "nation" known as Scotland.

It may dismay him to learn that, as I suspect, he has no legitimate connection to any true Scot Gaels. Instead, being the bastard progeny of some lowlander imported English settlers whose descendants merely call themselves Scot"ish" out of some misplaced sense of pride.

Many such cases.

>>18571565
Great Chinese Famine

>dude just watch Braveheart

made by an outspoken reactionary Catholic and contains a romantic *secret wedding ceremony* which at the time were recognized as valid

bet you're a "Passion of the Christ" enjoyer too
maybe you're too young to have realized exactly who made these films, and why that is relevant

>>18572109
East germany and half of austria is composed of slavs germanised during the early middle ages.

>>18571565
Churchill.
>drags the West into a war with Germany because they declared war on Poland
>wins, gives Poland to the Russians
>why? gambling debts lol

every single time you press the spacebar, an Irish Catholic saint says another prayer

There really is no true Scotsman. Only schizos.

>>18571565
Hideyoshi not conquered Joseon first but he insisted muh China heaven throne.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoinrFMgQ0

>>18571580
people just like killing other people. Trying to stop it is going against gods plan.

>>18573094
For me is Marco Polo Bridge incident (Japanese private goes missing, later come back safely, Tokyo official afraid to say anything, and KMT chimp out)

>>18573044
So you think a word actually makes the pope who sent Patrick to be kidnapped by Irish pirates? So what did he do, decree that the pirates were his accomplices?
You’re so delusional in calling people heretics that you will live to see yourself burn in hell before you go there for trying to deceive people and acting like you already managed to do it.>>18573057
You claim Latin means that the Roman Catholic Church owns Ireland. No, it doesn’t, you don’t ow people, their nation, or their souls just over having Latin. You didn’t even say anything about paladius or Patrick, you have to go to talking about the meaning of the name Columbus to dove means they also gave over allegiance to the bishop of Rome. You in fact didn’t care that they were druids, you tried to force convert them and insult them, and you even made appearance that you wouldn’t have shied away if it was Roman Catholic pirates who kidnapped him in the first place. Isn’t that what you’re doing to America now btw?
Mel Gibson is Catholic yes but that isn’t necessary for him to be a Baptist or a Protestant to give good representation.
>>18573143
>>18573200
Nice show of wit, but I am the true winner here because I am not against England or the kjv bible. Which was not given to you, nor was Ireland Roman Catholic, nor was Saint Patrick ever Roman Catholic. He shared the gospel, and according to their conversion consensually, they didn’t yet know what they were doing. Which goes to show that Jesus said love your enemy. Something you willl never know as a Roman Catholic who has already damned to hell Jesus Christ himself in the form of saints who believed in Jesus Christ and didn’t ever repent of it, which is why America and Protestant and regular believers are in America and Roman Catholicism remains over there. You can talk all you want to buddy, but only as long as you aren’t over here thinking you are above me. Again Jesus commanded the gospel to be shared. Not forced.

Not given by you
I in fact do have a kjv bible and the American flag and if blacks can identify as Scottish then so can I. I don’t care about sports. Sports is not the point of post. The point is you forced Christianity on people, violating to obey the commandment of Jesus Christ to Share the gospel, not murder people that won’t receive it.

>>18573080
By the way I am not a Protestant and we never will be. Prior to 300 AD there were irregular churches who you claim were yours but they never were. You just keep traditions of men claiming they are yours. Roman Catholic Church didn’t start Christianity, Peter being the rock of the church? No, his faith was the rock that started the church, not Peter himself. I am Jesus Christ himself.
And yes I do have a clan in Scotland I am related to in Scotland.

>>18573057
It has nothing to do with that they had Latin roots. It has to do with their beliefs and how the gospel actually got to them. You can try to claim you own them, and then it outs you as the antichrist. Quite frankly you have already committed this sin. “This belongs to the Roman Catholic Church because we own them like property.”

What the fuck is happening in this thread and why aren’t schizos replying to each other

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>>18571565
>pic related
The July Crisis would have been avoided if the driver had turned the wheel in the other direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIpen4cIvY

The founding fathers proved to be more than worthy of taking care of natives. However, the Roman Catholic Church showed and gave us nothing but persecution and death from tyrant kings and civil wars among white people. The Roman Catholics claimed that the high priesthood should be maintained because of sake of tradition of men not of God. You created traditions in Israel based on where Jesus was rumored to may have laid his head one night, so then you put a church with a crypt right there and “kept the tradition that he was here one night.” It’s just what you do. Make mountains out of anything just to stay there in the Middle East claiming you are doing it for us but the truth is you are waiting for Jesus to come back to try to kill him. The reality is God is going to kill you and lock you up for 1000 years.
The founding fathers would have treated Scotland much better than you.

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>>18571565
In 1879, Austria-Hungary should allied with Britain instead Germany or Austrian Empire rapprochement with Britain in 1858.

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>>18571942
Nope
Rome was 10% Christian *after the Diocletian persecution

Just 20 years after legalization, Rome was estimated to have been over 40% Christians.
This reveals that half of Rome were already either secret Christians or already well-acquinted with it

The influence of Christians throughout Constantine's Rome cannot be denied as Constantine initiated LOTs of highly expensive projects that even his predecessors would think twice about. Among it are
1. He leveled an entire steep hill filled with government-protected graves to build St. Peter's Basilica
2. He destroyed a Temple for Athena to build the Church of Holy Sepulcre
3. He had a thousand sheep butchered to make a bible built entirely out of sheep skin (only the emperor can afford this)

If Christianity was still just a minority during this time, then Constantine was just wasting resources in a "get woke, go broke" scheme

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>>18572151
For as long as suffering exists, Christians will ALWAYS find fertile ground

Christ provides comfort for the lowest of the lows and humbles the proud

And no other religion bothers to actually provide aid to the ones in need. If they do, they only help their own.

>Keep in mind that this history was written by Christcucks
FALSE
Christians are the ones who bothered to preserve historical documents from non-Christian lands. The Franks, Brits, Picts, Celts, and Norse cannot be bothered to write anything down.
Their entire culture, tradition, and gods were preserved entirely because of Christian efforts

Modern Hinduism itself was once a lost tradition as no one could translate the Vedas. It was a Christian who put on the painstaking effort to excavate it and translate it into modern Indian

It was all Christians

>>18573375
>high priesthood
> tradition of men not of God
It existed since Moses and Jesus himself had to obtain Semicha from John the Baptist before he could become a Rabbi

The fact that Jesus undertook it proves that it is from God

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>>18572803
Why did the Polish general become a fascist-style dictator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cBmT_eZy8

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>>18571565
>1933
He didn't become chancellors and bring back old Kaiser on the throne...

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>>18571565
Jeff Davis did nothing wrong but he should move capital to New Orleans or Nashville while order Lee reorganizing defense of Richmond at cost.
https://www.wvtf.org/civil-war-series/2019-12-12/moving-the-confederate-capital

Ottomans joining WW1 those niggas ruined the middle east for no reason imagine the amount of oil they would control if they didn't chimp out

>>18573417
>And no other religion bothers to actually provide aid to the ones in need. If they do, they only help their own.
I think this is a core feature of pretty much all big religions though?

>>18573409
Roman Civilization was lethally poisoned at this time, all that was left was for the body to slowly die

>>18573492
70% of all Catholic activities goes to impoverished areas, many are non Christians

They all call for help from the west but never from the Muzzies because they know that they will never answer

>>18571565
Khmer rogue

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>>18573499
If ever, it was Christianity that prevented Rome from collapsing. Everyone was already becoming cynical about the gods and the Emperor's divine right

The Imperial pantheon was no longer giving their political structure the divine mandate that they needed to convince the people

A religion that grew from the bottom dredges and stood with the oppressed and marginalized created a new theological structure to ground their society on. Literally "the stone you rejected has become the cornerstone"

Not to mention that Christians go so good at humbling the proud, that the Emperor was once forced to walk naked on the streets

No more worshipping false gods

>>18573500
>70% of all Catholic activities goes to impoverished areas, many are non Christians
Sure you're not thinking of some specific entities like Caritas Internationalis or Missionaries of Charity? Running all those churches cost money and aint poverty relief, son.

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>>18573518
Sure they aren't but this is not a "non-profit organization" that wants to keep the problem alive just so they would continue to recieve donations

The Church gets attacked by the non-profits precisely because they seek to solve the problem.
If they solve the problem the government and other charity programs will lose funding.

The Church couldn't care any less.
In fact, if the problem is solved, then they get to keep the money and also a place in heaven. Win win

Jews are mad about that

>>18573510
>If ever, it was Christianity that prevented Rome from collapsing
This is a terrible evil lie pushed by the very cancer cells that infested and killed the organism. West Rome fell almost immediately after the Christian takeover. East Rome had Egypt (=free money) so they managed to survive longer, but in a state of constant decay, and no surprise given that they focused their money and energy on building (nice but) useless shit like the Hagia Sophia and pay lavishly for people to investigate how many angels could dance on the tip of a needle and whatnot

>>18571654
That number counts only the urban population. Actual number of Christians in Rome pre-Constantine peaked at 10% in the 3rd century. Disingenuous "historians" who promote determinism cherrypick these stats to validate their own beliefs.

>>18573524
Ok so you basically made that number up

Sasuga, christ-chan

>>18571837
>Without it, there would be no WW1, no WW2, and no communism.
I'm not sure about this

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>>18573527
Blaming Christianity for the collapse of an empire rings hollow when it is responsible for the Age of Exploration

>>18573529
>Actual number of Christians in Rome pre-Constantine peaked at 10%
Yes because of Diocletian persecution
Numbers exploded after Constantine because everyone was already a Christian in secret

>>18573460
>New Orleans
Preventing the bombardment of Fort Sumter would have afforded the Confederate States of America additional time to mobilize troops, construct ironclads, and fortify their coastal defenses.
>Nashville
The absence of unauthorized incursions into pro-separatists Kentucky establishes Tennessee as a secure border under A.S Johnston's watchful guide. The Richmond-Petersburg factory is capable of replicating the Prussian needle gun for integration into the standard Richmond rifle, drawing inspiration from the US Model 1855. The Carolinian arsenal would be responsible for manufacturing a Fayetteville rifle incorporating the "trapdoor" innovation.

>>18573368
>>18571837
We would've get 1916 olympics

>>18571685
Carthaginians were, as you said, the Jews of the western Mediterranean. They sacrificed children and needed to be eradicated.

>>18571837
>The assasination of Franz Ferdinand
>Without it, there would be no WW1, no WW2, and no communism.
I used to think this as well, but as I've gotten older and studied history more, as well as seeing more world events play out, I disagree with it now. "Incidents" happen all the time. They only become wars when one side is determined to escalate it into one. This is not something that happens by accident or mistake. There had been events that were more likely to start ww1 in the decades before it. The assassination did it because at that point Germany wanted a European war, and made sure they got it.

Do you remember, for instance, the assassination of the russian ambassador to turkey by a turkish policeman? The air skirmish between india and pakistan where multiple indian fighter jets were shot down, the border skirmishes between india and china, the ramming and sinking of multiple vietnamese navy boats by the chinese navy, or the numerous terror bombings by iran to its neighbors after the start of the us/israel war, and on and on with countless other examples? These all could have become wars. They didnt because neither side wanted them to. Just as the archduke's death would have remained just an incident absent germany's "blank check"

>>18573540
Christianity was responsible. Columbus was contracted by the crown, not church.

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>>18573623
FALSE
The entire Age of Exploration was a response to the Ottoman Threat that crushed every crusade and strangled Europe out of the Silk Road

The final straw was Otranto.
Ottomans made headways towards Italy and was just a stone toss away from Rome and Vatican.
The only reason they were driven back was because the Sultan died out of nowhere and they were called home to enforce order

Otranto Cathedral has an altar made entirely from the skulls of martyrs who refused to convert to Islam.

The entire event was interpreted as a divine intervention by the Church and the Church intiated a desperate plan to defeat the Ottomans by converting the natives on the other side of the world who would outflank the Turks

It was never God, Gold, and Glory
It was just God.
It was a desperate time that was kept alive entirely by their faith in God.

>>18571565
Honestly the diadochi. We could have gotten Alexander 4 of maxedon and Roxanna but no the fucking nigger generals had to kill them and chimp out, and for what, just to love territory to rising powers? Absolute cursed time.

>>18571581
I'm gonna have to read up more about the fall of Rome, all I've seen is basically that Alaric was a savage leader of a savage people and raped and killed everyone.

>>18573630
Ok great I was pretty sure Columbus 1492 trip was a joint venture between the Spanish Crown and private merchant syndicates, but thanks for informing me that the Church footed the whole bill, instead of as I had been led to believe: nothing.

Thank you also for clarifying that the 1492 trip had 20 missionizing monks and priests on board, instead of as I had been led to believe: 0.

>>18573645
Are you kidding?
The Laws of Burgos was made by a Dominican priest who witnessed Columbus cruelty towards the Native Americans

The Laws of Burgos are what created what we now call Human Rights

There were no monks in his 90-man ship, sure
But many followed after the discovery of the Americans. Also, Columbus himself grew up with the Franciscans and he personally witnessed how Europe was rocked with fear after Otranto

>>18573648
>hurr durr I'm going to willfully pretend to not understand the difference between Columbus first voyage and latter trips

nobody effortposted in response to my reasonably well intended post >>18571948
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>>18573673
>>18573645
The ENTIRE Age of Exploration was the result of the Papal Bulls about Dum Diversas and Doctrine of Discovery granting monarchs and private individuals certain rights to conquer non-Christian lands 40 full years before the first caravels set sail to the New World

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>>18573679
vikings discovered the “new world” 400+ years before your idolatrous antichrist dictated a search west (for more money to leverage against the hapsburgs in teuton)

>>18573679
The Church, as was its wont, wanted A PIECE OF whatever lucrative venture its subjects had stumbled upon, and latter day Christians, as is their wont, believe this means that THE GLORY BELONGS TO YAHWEH AND HIS LOYAL CHRISTKEKS

However, the Church had nothing to do with the discovery of the Americas that set the age of exploration afoot, beyond the mandatory inshallahs and bismillahs

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>>18573684
Discovered
Not conquered

>>18573685
Otherway around
The Church wanted to entice others into believing that the New World is profitable in order to pave ways for the Christianization of the otherside of the world

This is why it took 40 years for the first caravel to set sail to the New World - no one would bother to take on the risk if not for the Church convincing everyone that there is profit to be had, and assured that the political and economical ramifications will be contained

>>18573692
> Discovered
>Not conquered
please point to the verse in the New Testament where Christ talks about conquering nonbelievers
tradcaths to a man have not actually read an though about the bible, you’re like a blind protestant simply believing whatever is spoken at the pulpit

>>18573695
thought*

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>>18573695
It is called the Great commission
The mission here is to convert the people by delivering his word

Also,
>complaining about conquest
>in the 15th century
Everyone was conquering each other since time immemorial
It only stopped because of Christian enforcement

Slavery, Equality, Human Rights, etc
None of this exists outside of Christian influence and enforcement because they aren't grounded on facts and logic but on faith

Faith in a God who loves us and gave us his image

>>18573692
Everyone went for the gold, and everyone ignored the Inter Caetera, because they wanted to grab a piece. You are delirious.

>>18573616
He was personally against the war, blocking the generals who wanted to attack Serbia. He thought it would lead to war with Russia, the destruction of both empires, and the victory of rebels, which is pretty much what actually happened. He would become the emperor of Austria-Hungary, and make war impossible for decades to come.

>>18573607
False propaganda made by Roman writers.

>>18571565
Historical accounts suggest that Queen Dido was a historical figure. Unfortunately, documentation pertaining to her existence was lost during the destruction of Carthage and the burning of Alexandria by Caesar's legions.
>>18573684
Kys cartroon posters

>>18571565
Spanish flu spreading at the end of ww1, killing nearly as many people as the war did.

>>18571565
Germany should've produce more 88mm gun among estonian border and Ukrainian river line near logistics center, stalingrad never happened. Use railgun as defensive option, annoyed 100 ton tank project etc

>>18571654
AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA I ATE TOO MANY LOS BURRITOS *BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP*

>>18573954
Kek

>>18571565
North Korean Famine. Absolutely pointless loss of life

>>18571565
Majorian's entire life.
Ricimer was outstandingly toxic.

>>18571565
>the most cursed moments in history that should’ve never happened
Racist Andouche Jackass surviving the Creek War

>>18574391
STFU redskin

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>>18571580
I know this is the anime-nazi site but people really should learn to understand class analysis.
Practically all civil wars are the result of the ruling class exploiting nominally weaker classes and them revolting. Even if the civil war doesn't happen, the exploitation often leads to corruption that is exploited by a foreign power. Eurasian steppe nomad pretty much made the latter a regular occurrence.

>>18574429
>I have a nagging suspicion about the coke/crack users

white redneck with trailer trash and low iq?

>>18573417
>Christ provides comfort for the lowest of the lows
Literally the exact opposite retard. Historically the church sided with reactionaries over the oppressed masses.

They sided with the Ancien régime during the French Revolution.

They sided with the monarchies of Europe during the 1848 revolutions.

They sided with the Whites during the Russian civil war.

They sided with the Italian fascists because Italy was on the verge of a communist revolution.

They sided with the nationalists during the Spanish civil war.

They sided with CIA-backed dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War.

And so on. For the entire 19th century, the church literally branded secular liberalism as a satanic conspiracy and prior to Vatican II, the church believed that any government that wasn't a catholic monarchy was illegitimate because their worldview was a feudal one.

>>18573417
>Christians are the ones who bothered to preserve historical documents from non-Christian lands. The Franks, Brits, Picts, Celts, and Norse cannot be bothered to write anything down.
>Implying that they wouldn’t have done it themselves when they got the ability to write shit down

>>18573409
>If Christianity was still just a minority during this time, then Constantine was just wasting resources in a "get woke, go broke" scheme
Yes, Constantine was a retard

The release of Avengers Endgame

>>18574654
>revolution = proto-conmie
Holy Thad and gigabased

>>18574674
kek

>>18571565
The nutcase preacher we now call Jesus Christ ever being remembered for longer than a week after he was executed.

>>18573607
>They sacrificed children and needed to be eradicated.
Literally no one that they met thought that was bad. At worst they thought it eccentric and weird. Meanwhile in both the Hellenistic and Roman worlds child abandonment in either the wilds or the city was seen as perfectly normal....But dumping the child into a fire? "Ooooh how terrible!!"

Romans literally sacrificed adult humans after Cannae and you're not advocating for their destruction.

>>18574674
Beginning of the end for cape shit desu undoing the snap was such a huge mistake

>>18573634
>>18573562
>>18573584
>>18573634
This

>>18574979
>Meanwhile in both the Hellenistic and Roman worlds child abandonment in either the wilds or the city was seen as perfectly normal
Unironically this was based and we should bring it back

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>>18573708
Correction:
Everyone was baited by the Church by the promise of gold
There was no profit until much much later and what shiny metals they found end up backfiring as it crashed their economy so hard, they were forced to dump some of them

The true treasures are the potatoes, corn, and Christian converts

>>18574654
What the hell are you on?
All of those were correct sides

The French Revolution in particular created "The Cult of Reason" which is just huffing atheists. The result was called Reign of Terror, not peace and prosperity
Hate the monarchu all you wish. But a corrupted government still has incentives to maintain peace and order
Rebels have none. They all just wanted to be on top and rebellions ALWAYS lead to worse results

>the church literally branded secular liberalism as a satanic conspiracy
What is a woman?
This is your secularism

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>>18574979
No it really was demonic
The sacrifice was supposed to be from noble families
They scammed the gods by """adopting""" children from poor families for sacrifice
Then they furthered the scam by saying that, if the mother were to show reactions to the sacrifice, then they do not have to pay

Thus, they end up torturing children to make the mother cry and skip out on paying

Demons the lot of them. All of them, including Rome
The Collisuem was a stage for human sacrifices that sees over 1000 executed prisoners every year and every brothel is filled with mass graves of infant boys

>>18575091
>>CIA-backed dictatorships
>“Correct side”
Behold the least cucked Latinx TradCath

>>18575103
No one likes it but either that or commies.

>>18575091
>Everyone was baited by the Church by the promise of gold
Who are you talking about, Fray Marcos sent there in 1539?

>>18574657
>What are Runes
They all have ability to write. They just don't care about their own culture and history
Christians are the ones who cared about it

>>18575121
They didn’t have paper to write runes on (stone is inefficient) and they already orally transmitted their history anyways. And yes, there’s evidence to suggest that illiterate societies are better at remembering things than literate societies, which is also why Socrates hated writing since he believed it made things harder to memorize and we know he was correct

>>18575130
They found wood plates filled with badly written words, suggesting that they had schools where children receive proper education

>And yes, there’s evidence to suggest that illiterate societies are better at remembering things than literate societies
Results says otherwise

Colonization and great replacement of the western hemisphere

>>18575101
Studies of the teeth and bones in Tophets suggest a mix of things: some infants died of natural causes (which were incredibly high in the ancient world) and were cremated as a offering, while others may indeed have been sacrificed during times of extreme crisis.

There is absolutely no archaeological evidence of an "adoption scam" or a "pay-if-you-cry" clause. Roman and Greek writers (who hated Carthage) did claim that elites bought children from the poor to sacrifice, but modern historians view this largely as wartime propaganda. There is evidence of some child sacrifice of noble children, however, it was viewed as the ultimate, heartbreaking religious duty for the elite—not something they tried to cheap out on with a bizarre financial loophole.

>The Collisuem was a stage for human sacrifices that sees over 1000 executed prisoners every year

Execution of prisoners (damnatio ad bestias or public crucifixions) certainly happened there, and thousands of people and animals died over the centuries. However, Romans did not view this as sacrificing to the gods; they viewed it as enforcing law, celebrating imperial power, and putting on a show. Rome actually banned human sacrifice by law in 97 BC.


>Every Roman brothel is filled with mass graves of infant boys.

This is a massive distortion of a specific archaeological discovery in Ashkelon (modern Israel) and a few sites in Britain. In 1988, archaeologists in Ashkelon found the remains of about 100 infants in a sewer beneath what they believed might have been a Roman-era bathhouse or brothel. DNA testing showed many were male. There is no evidence this was every Brothel or even most or at least a significant percentage of them.

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>>18575176
Nope
Roman sources hate Carthage, sure
But Greeks have written about the same baby sacrifices a hundred years before the Punic Wars

>Romans did not view this as sacrificing to the gods
Nope. It was an offering to the gods and some battles were purposely stopped because the gladiators were so good, "the gods were pleased" and would rather keep them alive than risk losing one.
Not to mention that many plays of the gods were done at the Colosseum wherein prisoners were chained and executed in place. One of which was a reenactment of Prometeus. A prisoner was chained and eviscerated to reenact the scene

>This is a massive distortion of a specific archaeological discovery in Ashkelon
Also no. Mass graves of infant boys have existed in every brothel in every civilization. The biggest of which goes to the Temple for the goddesses of fertility and love.
Every brothel is a temple for Venus and they actually found buildings (possibly a brothel) were infants were purposely buried under the floor for good luck

And the red light district of Japan was known to have canals than run black due to the amount of ohaguro, trash, and dead babies

>>18575207

You're purposefully reducing the argument to try and make a point that isn't being argued.

>>18575207
>Roman sources hate Carthage, sure. But Greeks have written about the same baby sacrifices a hundred years before the Punic Wars


I don't even want to respond to you because you're making a point that no one is arguing, and telling you "yeah, you're right" is something that you do not deserve, because what's essentially happening here is you're chiming in with something unrelated to what we're talking about and acting like you just slammed dunked it and ended the argument. The point of contention is the buying of infants and the torture of them along with the play acting of the "parents" in some cartoony attempt to fool the gods. There's zero archeological evidence of this, As far as we're concerned it's on the same level as the odyssey in regards to historical authenticity. The argument is not whether or not child sacrifice happened, it's how, its frequency and under what circumstances.


>It was an offering to the gods and some battles were purposely stopped because the gladiators were so good, "the gods were pleased"

And you're doing it here again. We are talking specifically about Executions of prisoners, the thing you are "Nope"ing LEADS WITH THAT.
>Execution of prisoners
>Execution of prisoners
>Execution of prisoners

It was responding to:
>The Collisuem was a stage for human sacrifices that sees over 1000 executed prisoners every year
And then answers:
>Execution of prisoners (damnatio ad bestias or public crucifixions) ....
WHY are you responding to this talking about gladiatorial fights??

>Not to mention that many plays of the gods were done at the Colosseum wherein prisoners were chained and executed in place. One of which was a reenactment of Prometeus. A prisoner was chained and eviscerated to reenact the scene

That is as much a sacrifice as drawing and quartering was.

>>18575207
>Mass graves of infant boys have existed in every brothel in every civilization.
We are talking about Romans, and you even go on to mention Japan.....Why??? the vast majority of excavated Roman brothels like the Lupanar in Pompei do not contain mass graves of infants. The few sites that do feature high concentrations of infant remains reflect broader, tragic Roman realities regarding high infant mortality, poverty, and the practice of exposure, rather than a systematic pattern of brothels targeting infant boys as some sort of demonic sacrifice.

>>18575221
The Colloseum was not seen as a "sacrifice" in the traditional sense but the theology remains the exact same - it was done to make the gods happy and prevent plagues

Same with vestal virgins that get buried alive for failing their duties to keep the hearth aflame

Just because it is not longer done at the temple under the administration of priest, doesn't mean that it is now a non-religious ceremony.
It was very much done for the sake of being on good terms with the divine

>>18575229
I'm familiar with pax deorum, the point of contention is whether or not the execution of convicts was seen as part of that. The Gladiatorial games originated in religious practice and the state had to perform massive public rituals to appease percieved divine wrath. The games (ludi) and the gladiatorial contests (munera) were a massive part of that maintenance system. Public executions were the bridge between the morning hunts and the afternoon gladiator fights, Rome's meridiani. For elite Romans, this was the lowest tier of the games, but for the masses, it was a massive draw.

The Romans classified arena executions into three main methods, depending on the severity of the crime and the status of the criminal:
>beasts
>fire
>sword

These executions served as a massive display of absolute state power. By turning criminals into literal props for theatrical entertainment, you can view these as "human sacrifice" only in the most loose terms imaginable and it would have to completely ignore how ever present religion and the gods were in every aspect of normal roman life.

>>18575233
It is not a loose term
If it is done with the aim of pleasing the divine, then it is a sacrifice

Same goes with fasting, pilgrimages, isolation, meditation, and indulgences
It was done with the aim of gaining divine merit, and therefore it is a sacrifice

The fact that it also provided political and economic incentive doesn't make it the priority. The priority is the divine

The difference is that Christianity values "self-sacrifice" whereas most pagans uphold the idea of sacrificing others.

>>18571565
Europeans enslaving Africans and bringing them to the New World. Imagine if they never did that. Well, we might not have rap music, which would be tragic of course.

>>18575255
You're ignoring nuance. In a world where every flying bird could be a message from the divine, what is or is not done within a religious framework is not particularly meaningful. There was divnity and religion found in every aspect of government right down to decorum and procedure. Should we then label Rome as a theocracy? There was more than one attempt to enshrine the Princeps Civitatis in divinity. You would have to ignore the very real power dynamics irrespective to religious belief happening around the senate and Emperors and instead take everything at face value of a religious authority.


But why would you ever do that unless your were trying to shoehorn in something that never reflected reality?

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>>18575307
If it requires loses/harm, then it is a sacrifice
If it doesn't, then it is a superstition/vision/sign

Simple as
>Rome as theocracy
No because the Emperor is not a priest.
This goes to Japan and Egypt, though. They are theocracies by the fact that the Pharoah and Emperor are priests

The concept of separation of Church and State is a Christian concept
>2 tablets
>don't mix wool and linen (priest and politician attire)
>render unto Ceasar

Secularism is also Christian. Basically just atheists who wanted to have the Christian morals without the Chirstian grounding

>>18575319
>Rome as theocracy
>No because the Emperor is not a priest.
Rethink this statement

>>18575319
>The concept of separation of Church and State is a Christian concept
It's not.

LIke.


At all.

>>18575342
Right, I forgot that they are part of the Pontifex Maximus
Nevertheless, they still aren't a theocracy as their system isn't rooted in serving a diety and ensuring good relationships with it

Vatican is the theocracy that you are looking for,

>>18575344
Yes it is.
The founding fathers made it specifically to prevent politicians from weaponizing the Churches and using them as staging grounds for votes

It was to protect the Church from the government.
Not the government from the Church

>>18575319
>If it requires loses/harm, then it is a sacrifice
>If it doesn't, then it is a superstition/vision/sign
I reject your definitions and counter that all of it is abstract.

Loss and harm to *whom*?? Is it really a sacrifice if all sides are compensated adequately or gain what they want?? The fact loss exists is all it takes to be considered sacrifice? And isn't the belief itself a form of superstition? Especially from our pov?

>No because the Emperor is not a priest.

Every single Roman Emperor automatically held the title of Pontifex Maximus after augustus. This faded with time, especially with the rise of Christianity. But to suggest that the Emperors weren't holding on to a religious title in a hyper-religious society (by our standards) like Rome's is completely inaccurate.

>>18575259
We wouldn’t have had Blues, which means we wouldn’t have had Metal, which would be even more tragic.

>>18575352
>Right, I forgot that they are part of the Pontifex Maximus
That's right, you got it.

>Nevertheless
NOPE!!!

No "nevertheless"

>Simple as
>Rome as theocracy
>No because the Emperor is not a priest.

By your standards and definitions the Emperor was not only a priest, he was the highest possible priest automatically. There's no moving the goal post now because you "forgot".

>>18575360
I was wrong because I forgot and that was it
Though, it isn't a theocracy still

>>18575352
>Yes it is.

Judaism did it first.

>>18575362
>Though, it isn't a theocracy still
I agree, it isn't. The issue is that if you want to label gladitorial games, and executions, and hunts as demonic human sacrifices without appreciating the nuance implicit in the times and place this happened then by that same token you would have to label Rome a theocracy.


But you don't because you recognize the nuance in THAT, but wont extend that same judgement to games that placate the masses and demonstrate state power.

>>18575366
You can serve the gods through bloodsports while also not being a theocracy

>>18575369
Jesus fucking christ

>I CAN'T BE WROOOONG

Ok you baby. It's all demonic, everything is demonic. Whole ancient world was non stop human sacrifice to demons.

>>18575369
Yes, and?

>>18571565
Genocide of Poles in Wołyń

>>18571654
>all these seething cumskin replies
vile animals, they deserve to get replaced

>>18575319
>The concept of separation of Church and State is a Christian concept
Then why did the church oppose it and demand every country be a catholic monarchy?
Also, explain why almost all of the early proponents of secularism like Thomas Jefferson were deist Freemasons…

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>>18575101
The fact that you think the colosseum was human sacrifice shows you don’t understand how gladiators worked.
The games were secular, not religious. And none of the gladiators were slaves or prisoners, they were essentially celebrities. They even had merchandising which sounds anachronistic, but is actually real look it up. Elite gladiators endorsed products like olive oil, with their names painted on billboards outside arenas. Children played with clay gladiator figurines and toy weapons molded in their likeness. Fans bought oil lamps and pottery featuring depictions of specific arena stars. Women bought vials of gladiator sweat and blood to use as cosmetics and aphrodisiacs.
Also, it wasn’t a fight to the death situation. Gladiators were expensive to train and killing one would have sparked a riot, the prerequisite for losing was to bleed, not die. A simple cut was enough to lose a match.
>inb4 animals
Not a religious sacrifice + that was fucking based. Also, it wasn’t regular gladiators who fought them but rather specialized hunter gladiators. Also, these animal fights took place in the morning before the main gladiator matches

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>>18572109
>A lasting contamination of the German race with Slavic DNA following World War II. Around 70% of the lineages in Germany are now tainted.
Your entire country is intermixed with everyone around.
If you want to talk about contamination, you have plenty arguments for southern (and even center) Italy and Greece. Such a waste.

>>18572109
Source
>my ass

>>18575514
We will take your land and sterilize you to extinction.

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Smug shortsightedness leads both to doom.

>>18575676
Thank God for CRISPR and designer babies to edit out the contamination once and for all.

>>18572109
East German have Baltic DNA since Soivet and Poles commie expelled original inhabitants

>>18571565
>Probably any sacking of Rome
>Muslim invasions/expansion of the Caliphate
>1453
>Birth of Karl Marx
>Assassination of Franz Ferdinand
>Dual Russian Revolutions
>Mukden Incident
>Rape of Nanking
>Sender Gleiwitz/Invasion of Poland
>Gulf of Tonkin Incident
>AIDS pandemic
>9/11
>2008 Financial Crisis
>SARS-CoV-2 pandemic
Too many examples

>>18575952
>Mukden Incident
>Rape of Nanking
Chinese are aggressor

>>18575952
this sounds like a list made by a 8th grader active in young republicans

>>18575983
Japan got nuked twice and lost.
>>18575988
>No real retort
I accept your concession.

>>18575993
I ain't reading allat, magafag

>>18576017
>Leftist can't read three lines
Your lack of education is showing

>>18576021
Youve been at this for what? 10 years? Youre mentally ill.

>>18576037
What are you even talking about?
Go suck off a shotgun, glownigger stalker.

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>>18571565
The Castrati were a type of singer who performed in choirs throughout Italy, later becoming regular features in the Italian Opera.

It was against the law, morality and social mores in those days for females and males to perform together in choirs, particularly in churches and in the Papal State, so boys would be used for the higher ranges in men's choirs. The problem is that children have smaller lungs than adults, and puberty would cause them to be incapable of reaching the highest ranges. So the conductors and organizers of the choirs devised a way to produce men who could sing in the higher ranges: castration.

Children's choirs throughout Italy would be scoured for the best singers, and either by promise of future wealth and fame, or against them and their parents will, they would be taken to underground, black market surgeons. Opium and alcohol were used to suppress the pain, which lead to many of the castrati developing addictions later on in life. Many died due to the poor standard of care, either by infection, overdose, asphyxiation or otherwise. Following the castration, they would go through constant training to a standard that many could not achieve: those who faltered were cast aside, and became miserable local singers in backwater towns and villages, or killed themselves.

It took nearly four hundred years for the practice to finally be outlawed.

>>18576090
>41%
aluminum bucked schizo

>>18575952
>Probably any sacking of Rome
chrisrcucks worshiping pagan Rome says it all
larping faggots, you have no real faith

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>>18576126
Slow night in Tel Aviv or slow afternoon in Eglin, glownigger?

>>18576193
YWNBAW

>>18576166
>ROMAN Catholic Church that St. Peter founded
Cry more, seething atheist, pagan, jeet, IDC what you are but you are crying so hard right now LMAO

>>18576199
Based
I love being male :)

>>18575983
US bomb wuhan, worse than both.

>>18575568
He knows he just doesn't want to admit he's wrong. He's insisting that because the fights originated in religious practice and are part of larger roman religious norms surrounding games the more practical aspects of the games like placating the masses with everything you mentioned and showcasing the states power through executions aren't as relevant. Because demonic sacrifice etc. etc.

He can't come to terms with how pretty much *everything* was related to some aspect of religion or another and that it doesn't necessarily defacto translate to express intent even if the religious undertones are present and they're going through the paces because that's just how you do things. Like catholics eating fish on Fridays because it isn't meat. They do the thing, they don't necessarily put an enormous amount of weight or thought on how or why the muscles of a fish aren't meat but those of a cow are. They just know they're catholic and this is what Catholics do. In the same way; that is what Romans do.

I don't understand how if he has to insist on that previous point he wouldn't also label the Roman Empire a theocracy, but i digress.

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>>18575568
First off, it is YOU who do not know what happens in the Colloseum

The gladiatorial fights AREN'T the only thing that happens in there
The events are divided between opening, intro, main event, intermission, and closing

The opening of a gladiatorial fight differs wildly based on sponsor but one of the recorded openings involved prisoners who were dressed elegantly and forced to dance, then the gladiators would swoop in and race to get as many kills as they could

The bodies are then piled and set ablaze to mark the opening of the show

The intermission revolve around executing criminals in sadistic ways
One case was a woman who was raped by a donkey and then fed to a Lion.
Another was a man who was chained to the legs of an elephant

During breaks, prostitutes are allowed to entertain the guests. Bare naked women enter the seats and do their thing in the midst of the crowd

Trinkets and other magical items/substances are also sold

The closing event involve burning bodies and making sacrifices to the gods in hopes that they enjoyed the show. And guess what?
Body parts are often also collected and harvested under the belief that they bring in magical benefits

LIke hell this is secular

Secularism is just atheism. Atheism is illegal in Rome as it displeases the gods and make every responsible for tolerating them
Christians get killed for accusations of atheism

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>>18576479
You CANNOT have an event in the ancient world that does not involve the gods in a certain level because being atheistic is considered the highest of all blasphemies and thereby illegal and worthy of death

Christians regularly got killed under the accusations of atheism.

Secularism was only made possible by Christians who tolerates any criticism and rejection of Christ

>>18573417
christians have consistently destroyed or distorted everything they have ever gotten their hands on. And they have always, everywhere they have ever gone, converted top down by bribing the ruling class who then brutalize their subjects into compliance. The only thing that makes it marginally better than islam is the European window dressing.

>>18576755
Go back to r/atheism

>>18576765
I denounce Dawkins, now you denounce Rabbi Yeshua

>>18576778
Christ is King
Christ shall return to judge us all

>>18576786
Rabbi Yeshua is not king of anything. He never ruled as an earthly political leader nor as the king of heaven.

>>18576778
say vishnu tongues your anus

>>18576853
I denounce Vishnu, now you denounce Rabbi Yeshua

>>18576845
You aren't getting younger

Jesus did not rise from the dead and he is never, ever coming back. God does not exist. Christianity lost. You need to come to terms with reality.

>>18576864
We will all be judged soon
Prepare

>>18575130
>there’s evidence to suggest that illiterate societies are better at remembering things than literate societies
I do not think this is true at all. illiterate people are, individually, better than literate people at memorizing shit. that does not translate to a society carefully remembering its past.

>>18576864
still seething 2000 years later, eh shlomo?

>>18573228
>genocidal campaign, Japan

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>>18571837
>The assasination of Franz Ferdinand. Not only it was allowed by a massive streak of bad luck (unless more people were on it than acknowledged) he was the cork in the bottle who held everybody else from starting the war.
>Without it, there would be no WW1, no WW2, and no communism.

Your close, but the real culprit is Freemasonry.

Judeo-Freemasonry was behind all the events you pointed out.

At another part of the trial, the defending counsel Premusic speaking to Cabrinovic, asked the following question: Have you read the books of Rosic?

Cabrinovic. — I have read his treatise on Freemasonry.

Premusic. — Where these books distributed in Belgrade?

Cabrinovic. — I set them in type as a printer.

Premusic. — Tell me, do you believe in God or anything?

Cabrinovic. — No.

Premusic. — Are you a mason?

Cabrinovic. — (Confused, after a moment's silence and speaking loudly) Why do you ask me that? I cannot answer you on that subject.

Premusic. — Is Tankosic a mason?

Cabrinovic. — (Again after a silence). Yes, and Ciganovic also.

The President. — From which it follows that you also are a mason, for a Freemason never admits to anyone but another mason that he belongs to that society.

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>>18577482
Cabrinovic. — Please do not ask me about that subject for I shall not reply.

There is yet another passage in the trial.

The President. — Tell me something more about the motives. Did you know before deciding to attempt the assassination that Tankosic and Ciganovic were Freemasons? Had the fact of you and they being Freemasons an influence on vour resolve?

Cabrinovic. — Yes.

The President. — Did you receive from them the mission to carry out the assassination?

Cabrinovic. — I received from no one the mission to carry out the assassination. Freemasonry had to do with it because it strengthened me in my intention. In Freemasonry it is permitted to kill. Ciganovic told me that the Freemasons had condemned to death the Archduke Franz Ferdinand more than a year before.

The President. — Did he tell you that from the very beginning or only after you spoke to him of your wish to carry out the assassination?

Cabrinovic. — We had already spoken about Freemasonry but he said nothing to me of the condemnation to death before we had quite decided to carry out the assassination.

The following passage is from the interrogation of Princip who fired the fatal shots at the Archduke.

The President. — Did you speak about Freemasonry with Ciganovic?

Princip (insolently). — Why ask me that?

The President. — I ask because I must know. Did you speak to him about if or not?

Princip - Yes, Ciganovic told me that he was a Freemason.

The President. — When did he tell you that?

Princip - He told me when I was asking about the means of carrying out the assassination. He added that he would speak with a certain person and that he would receive the necessary means. On another occasion, he told me that the heir to the throne had been condemned to death in a masonic lodge.

The President. — And are you also a Freemason?

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>>18577482
>>18577489
Princip. — Why that question? I shall not reply. (After a short silence): No.

The President. — Is Cabrinovic a mason?

Princip. — I do not know. Perhaps he is. He told me once that he was going to join a lodge.

>>18577430
>Jews hate christianity
What is the race Saint Paul says he belongs to in the Bible?
What is the race that the Old Testament says is uplifted above the goyim by Yahweh, and chosen as the apple of his eye?
What is the race that the New Testament says goyim should not boast against?
What is the race that the New Testament reaffirms as being beloved by Yahweh?
What race do you think the early Christians were?
What race do you think Ambrose of Milan was based on his contemporary depictions and a quick comparison with Jonathan Greenblatt?
a) Jews b) literally any other race

Which religion alongside Islam does the RamBam say brought the world closer to the Torah?
Which religion does Chabad Lubavitch primarily cooperate with?
Which religion does Ben Shapiro recommend his audience to follow?
Which religion are Ben Shapiro's goy employees?
Which religion does Dennis Prager recommend his audience to follow?
Which religion are Dennis Prager's goy employees?
Which religion is the most popular in the most Zionist, most Zogged country in the world (the US)?
a) Christianity b) literally any other religion

the khmer rouge

>>18572776
>We could've had a second white empire, like the US. Instead, we have a savage continent with hundrets of millions of mystery meats.
Spaniards would have doubled the amount of african slaves before letting more spaniards move there, they did not trust american born spaniards.

>>18571565
Hideyoshi failed conquered Joseon kingdom and the rise of Manchus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoinrFMgQ0

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>>18571581
>Romans intervene in order to act as mediators between The Gauls and another Latin city state
>during the negotiations, the Roman delegates piss the Gauls off so much that they decide to call of their previous war and attack Rome instead
>they route the Roman army in the field, leaving Rome wide open to them
>take over Rome, lay siege to it, loot it, ends with Romans paying all the gold they have to leave them alone
>Gauls literally start cheating with the weighing of the gold and when the Romans call them out they just say "tough shit, deal with it"
This almost destroyed Rome completely too. Like after the Gauls left there was serious discussion to just abandon the city

Thank God they stopped arguing.