Was he really as much of an annoying little freak as the Führer made him out to be in private?
>>18571596His head looks like my thumb. I bet he was bullied in school
Imagine being the leader of a country, actually trying to do things, and one of your faggot underlings spends most of his time trying to find the Holy Grail.That's Himmler.
>>18571596Did Hitler choose this retarded chicken farmer to be the head of the SS precisely because he was too stupid to be a threat to his power? Honestly seems like the most likely explanation considering how paranoid Hitler was about being couped.
>>18571596Would he have liked D&D? I always find it funny that grown-ass men of wealth and status used to do the same stuff as retarded high schoolers and larpers on /x/. Himmler had to have tried summoning a succubus at least once.
>>18571675That and he was a boot-licker who thought he was a wizard. If he had shown any ambition or had half a brain, he'd have been long-knifed.The NSDAP had the same issue that plagues Russians and Arabs in that they derived power from fear and yet valued loyalty over all else and were thus stuck in this constant uncomfortable middle ground of paranoia and cronyism.
>>18571682>he was a boot-lickerThis. Goebbels diaries read like if he was a schoolgirl enamored with her teacher whenever he mentions Hitler. Nazi leadership had no spines nor dignity whatsoever.
>>18571673Himmler was an extremely accomplished administrator and spent his life attempting to realize several pipe dreams at the same time.
>>18571838None of which were particularly beneficial to the war effort, however. In fact his fixation on getting his aryan Teutonic Wherbauern right now probably made things worse. Sure yeah, send in Odilo Globocnik to build pflugstadt and populate 300 recently vacated villages with germans that are being basically forced to settle there. That won't have any negative consequences at all.As an aside.>Be German supremacist who thinks slavs are a lesser breed>Have a brutal and thuggish slovenian henchman called 'Odious Gopnik'.
>>18571872>Be German supremacist who thinks slavs are a lesser breedReal life is not a disney movie. He was a nordicist. He came to like Ukrainians and Belarusians provided they arent tatar looking. Just a goof
>>18571675To be fair, Himmler was pretty good at building SS as an organization, so both his strengths and weaknesses were beneficial for Hitler. Knows how to grow SS, but ultimately still a weirdo sperg with time-wasting obsessions and zero sense for military leadership, so he’s not exactly a man who would or could coup you if the war starts to go badly.
>>18571596>Autistically micromanages the SS to run as an efficient paramilitary organization, "5th columnist" deleter, intelligence agency, quasi-religion, and breeding program/racial terraformer all at the same time>Never once make a play for power >At most you mildly irritate your superior with your obsession over a lost Aryan race>TeufelsliedSounds like a pretty sweet deal desu, everyone making a play for power in the 20th century should have had an autistic lieutenant like Himmler at their side.
>>18571892Personal opinions are fickle and his racial beliefs were more complex than just nordicism. There was a general belief 'some' slavs were re-germanizable but how many was not clear. He certainly had little regard for the Poles and, for that matter, most other slavs. In general his thought was that they were lesser, to be filtered for any hidden germanics/nordics then disposed of. Are you the guy with the Tatar fixation?Also, you don't need to lead in by being a faggot, you know.>>18571902All of Hitler's inner circle was intensely loyal to him, iirc, even if they schemed against one another. Hitler was much more distrustful of german institutions predating his government than any of his party men after Röhm was executed. I do not think he really worried about a coup coming from any of them. At least before the tail end of the war but I don't think those are very representative of him.
>>18571915The SS was a cult, one does forget that. The SS running so smoothly is funny in contrast to how the Reich as a whole was run.
>>18571927Idk why Hitler wanted Gauleiters to also manage the RK's that made no sense.
it was really fucking stupid to keep someone murderously obsessed with race in charge of your special forces branch of the military if the third reich had painted themselves as liberators from communism instead of a somehow worse boot on the throat they wouldnt of faced nearly as stiff resistance in the east, but when you have this retard sending death squads into byelorussia and ukraine to euthanize unarmed civilians as the front is still in flux youre just setting yourself up for failure For all the talk about hitlers subordinates being loyal to him between halder intentionally disobeying orders and directing Barbarossa twords Moscow instead of the Caucasus and this sperg hyperfixating on slaughtering tens of thousands of potential collaborators behind the front line its a wonder that both of them survived until the end of the war sun tzu has a really good point about this shit, essentially its never put your enemy onto death ground. meaning never put your enemy in a position where its either fight or die, the SS specifically put the Soviets into that position and look what happened
>>18571596>Be Albert Speer.>Sitting around in Hitlers office in the Reich’s chancellory that you designed.>The Führer goes on one of his Autistic rants again“Why do we call the whole world's attention to the fact that we have no past? It isn't enough that the Romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potsherd and stone axe he finds. All we prove by that is that we were still throwing stone hatchets and crouching around open fires when Greece and Rome had already reached the highest stage of culture. We really should do our best to keep quiet about this past.”>Realize The man in charge of the Reichs inner security is more esoteric and a mad man than your boss.
>>18571918Hitler certainly wasn’t as spooked by the prospect of a coup as Stalin was, but it wasn’t also a happy accident that he basically encourages in-fighting amidst his underlings, build institutions in a way that had service rivalries as a feature etc.He knew that his position would be more stable if he was the only thing above rivalries, the only constant.
>>18571941>just arm nationalist slavs who already don't trust you bro, they would never backstab you
>>18571992That is true. I exaggerated. But I guess my wider point was that none of his inner Circle was willing to coup him even in the direst circumstances.I think the Reich system of government was very interesting. Hitler did more or less enjoy absolute power but his subordinates all seemed to live in some form of uncertainty. Purposeful organized chaos. I don't remember who anymore but I recall some people referring to Gauleiters as Satraps and complaining how they rule however they like without consulting anyone and answering only to Hitler. It either was an SS man or one of the conservative NSDAP adjacents like Schmitt.I've been reading an in-depth book of Nazi policy in occupied Europe. It's darkly funny at times.
>>18572028At this level of the Nazi state apparatus, this was, in a sense, a contradiction. Had they truly believed in their system, rather than merely in Hitler, they would all have been liquidated by some physically super-fit SS types in their twenties the moment the situation deteriorated.
>>18572026The occupied slavs/balts absolutely trusted them at first. They were considered to be liberators. Ukraine even set up a collaborationist government on their stead they immediately disbanded. And regardless, they did not even keep to this policy consistently.
>>18572036What makes you think so?
>>18572068It is said to have been a movement rooted in a philosophy of life (vitalism), one that embodied the dynamic energy of youth. Such a coup would be no means an act of betrayal; rather, it would simply a natural progression of events. The experience of being driven to their deaths without achieving any results, led by the elders of the earlier "beer hall generation", ought to have served as a catalyst for structural change and making the National Socialist ideology better. This was not, after all, a Faustian movement.
>>18572048Ukraine was too important for the Germans while fighting the Soviets (grain, coal, industry, raw materials) so obviously at the time they wanted direct control, not an independent state.
>>18572111It was a sunk cost fallacy. They had no desire to squander precious resources on the sort of ungrateful lot who would join a partisan organization. Consequently, the occupying German forces generally shot Ukrainians on sight. Such dehumanizing treatment arose as a direct result of being compelled to carry out those actions even though, in principle, the option of establishing a Ukrainian puppet regime after the war could have existed.
>>18572111But not important enough not erratically attempt to exterminate them from time to time. A remark you ocassionally read when looking into this stuff is that the occupation administrations (especially Koch's) weren't very effective colonies. I can't post it right now but I recall an officer bemoaning the efforts to reduce Kievs population and asking how they were supposed to be contributing to the war effort if they starved. It's somewhere in chapters five or six of Hitler's Empire by Mark Mazower (he is jewish, take it as you may).
>>18572070>It is saidBy whom?
>>18572111>>18572026>ukraine was too important to be allowed to operate semi autonomously during this critical phase of the war >i know, lets line millions of them up in their town squares and shoot them, thatll take care of the problem! surely this wont cause a massive insurgency in our already thinly stretched logistics to the front they couldnt of waited until the war was actually won before chimping out on the locals?
>>18572070I guess its only fair I give an earnest response:I don't know who said that, or why, but it does not seem like something that came from the National Socialists themselves or their contemporaries. I think it may come from many decades after the war, and I think such sources are not as effective for understanding NS as it was than the originals. There was dynamism, even youth but you find that in just about any early revolutionary movement and regime. Why do you presume this renovation to be an essential part of NS? It does not seem like it to me, correct me if I am wrong. As for the war, the first two to three years of it were at first sight very successful, and the remainder were spent under a great deal of propaganda. Not that such a violent renovation would have done much, it may have likely ended the war much earlier.And Heydrich doesn't even fit your post anyway, he was a newer NSDAP member, but he was not much younger than Himmler, they could've been childhood friends. Hardly a second generation. Those did exist, though in an embryonary form.>Faustian movementCan you clarify what you mean by this? Thank you.
>>18572554Only jews, and many Ukrainians even participated and were ok with it retard.
>>18571675>afraid of being cooped>hires a chicken farmer
>>18572655Not actually only Jews. Jews just bore the brunt of it.
>>18572655>only jews ah yes the classic shrodingers dirlewanger argument Nazis were based race purists who viewed slavs as subhumans but at the same time only sought out jews for extermination
>>18572757this hoholcaust is only real in your mind
>>18571675>Did Hitler choose this retarded chicken farmer to be the head of the SS precisely because he was too stupid to be a threat to his power?No. Himmler was a genius organizer. yeah, he was also a massive autist, but I guess that comes with the territory. He had his uses.
>>18574244Not even a bad political schemer. He was extremely adroit at that.
>>18571682>nazi was a bootlickersharp as a fuckin cue ball
>>18572639Plz.
>>18571978Speer should have been Fuhrer. He was one of the only ones with a high enough position and of sound mind to get anything done.
>>18572825But why release literal psychopaths from prisons to do as they please? I thought the whole point the Dirlewanger brigade was to have a bunch of untamed vikings scouring the countryside. You loose a bunch of those people so that they 'don't' show restraint or prejudice.
>>18576516By no means should Speer be seen as a better leader or a person than both Adolf or Himmler. He used his power and position to fuel the war machine using slave labor, from the camps the Nazi state perpetuated.
>>18576583OY VEY GOYIM. IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND GOY. SIX BILLIONS PILES OF SHOES, STRAIGHT FROM DA GAYUSS CHAYMBAH. I SURVIVED 6 GAYUSS CHAYMBAHS GOY
>>18576914Tell me that you're a braindead zoomer without telling me that you're a braindead zoomer.
Himmler ranked higher than Hitler in the nazi occult, that's why hitler hated him but was forced to submit and let him to anything he wanted.
>wants to kill >can't stand the sight of bloodHe is pretty much every modern right winger but kinda taller
>>18576914>hurr it's not real because it isn't and I talk like a niggerkill yourself
>>18576914Eat shit and live to tell you ate shit.
>>18571596>>18572070>>18572757Germans are so fucking ugly, good thing Turks are improving their horrid genetics
>>18577598interesting evolution of this meme
