How do I reconcile the fact that my religious heritage is Buddhist (Japanese/Thai), but the religion comes from dirty India?
>>18572063Hmmm well first, stop being a larper. It's cringe. Develop some genuine beliefs about the world and then come back.
Buddhism heavily integrated into local religions that would be deemed pagan and completely erased by Abrahamic faiths
>>18572063India wasn't always a shithole. People change. Current day Egyptians have no resemblance to the Ancient Egyptian civilization.Middle Americans have no resemblance to Maya or Aztecs.Northern Europeans used to be savages who dunk people into bogs in order to appease some pagan gods.Mesopotamia used to be the cradle of civilization with empires that went on for thousands of years, long before it became an arid shithole full of arab savages.You have to judge a historical place by the people who lived there at the time. Not the current people who live there.
>>18572072What was India like or how do I find out more?
>>18572082First of all, they were Aryans. In other words, the people who wrote the Vedic scriptures were not Indians as we see them today, but fair-skinned people.
>>18572082Check out "Indus Valley Civilization" and "Vedic Period"
every premodern urban center was as dirty as modern India
>>18572097Romans had canalization and toilets
>>18572067Unironically this makes Buddhism a superior universalizing religion than Christianity given that unlike Christianity, it doesn’t spit on local traditions as “demonic superstitions” or try to supplant them
>>18572099And it was still a deathtrap.Modern India, for all its faults, still has toilets and aqueducts.
>>18572099They had a sewer god
Is India an unhygienic shithole because of their beliefs in karma reincarnation happening anyway unless you're an Enlightened Brahman?
>>18572195>Is India an unhygienic shithole because of their beliefs in karma reincarnation happeningIt doesn't have much to do with karma (at least not directly)https://hindupost.in/society-culture/the-civic-sense-gap-how-history-culture-and-policy-shape-bharats-sanitation-crisisThis article lays out the interconnected reasons as to why India is filthy.In essense it's because jeets are selfish fucks who think cleaning common goods is low-caste work, and thus above them
>>18572102Curse Vishnu.
>>18572063By abandoning the idolatry of your fathers and seeking Christ
>>18572063Buddha and his original followers were of the Aryans caste: so they were closer genetically to pre-Islam persians or even eastern europeans than to the moder brown jeet-dalit biomass that gradually overrun India long after Buddha left this worldSo you are following a white religion whose place of birth was sadly overrun by browns
>>18572245Vishnu is a lesser being but still worthy of respect.
>>18572085>First of all, they were Aryans.Folks gotta remember that sewage systems used to be a standard feature of Pre-Aryan Indian cities.
>>18572067What are you talking about, retard?
>>18572298From Middle East, sure.Also, harrapan was quite favela like.. At least in terms of architecture.
>>18572120So does Japan today
>>18572195Blame everything except european colonization.
>>18572063Cope by telling yourself and everyone else that Buddha was a Japanese man and the idea of Buddha being from the subcontinent is Hindu propaganda to subvert his teachings.
>>18572063Buddhism is an Aryan collar placed around the necks of the Mongol people. Embrace Shenism, Shinto, and Ban Phi.
>>18572063It genuinely doesn't matter where your belief system originates as long as you genuinely believe in it.
>>18572063The solution is to convert to Christianity
>>18572253>inserting caste and skin color to the teachings of a man who rejected bothYou retards would be burning in hell if it were real
>>18572072India always was a shithole. Buddhism is a religious practice to deal with living in literal hell on earth. Forged in the crucible
>>18572195>>18572242To add onto these insights, Muslims incursions starting with the Ghruids is what lead to the reinforcement of Brahmanism at the expense of Buddhism, as people fled to the security of the caste system, which Buddhism rejects. This in turn, led to the formation of the modern Hindu identity in opposition to the spread of Islam. Note the centrality of the Gangetic plain in the expansion of the Ghurids, and likewise, modern folk Hinduism and its most degenerate practices.
>>18573336>Islam created Hinduism We've come a full circle in apologetics from 'saar oldest religion' to this. Read more about history.
>>18572063It comes from modern day nepal, so you don't have to feel embarrassed
>>18572909Why would someone with no connection to the Middle East do that?
>>18572063Separate india the culture form indians the people.The average indian is not too good in character, offensive odor, bad manners etc but there are some great things that india contributed to the world, Buddhism is one of them. The temples and associated architecture are another, and also the training of elephants
Modern day Indians built none of the things that they claim. In fact, India is a colonial concept. Buddha was Nepalese. Indus Valley is genographically, racially and culturally far deatched from modern day Indians. Same with Arayns. Modern day Indians are a by product of the caste system. That is literally their grand achievement.
>>18573403Why do you need connection to the birthplace of a religion to follow said religion? Christianity is a universal religion for all of mankind, hence why Christianity is the largest religion on Earth despite most Christians throughout history and today having had no connection to the Middle East.
>>18572063Remember that the Buddha taught not to seize onto and identify with outward formsEverything is just a story that you tell yourself
>>18572063You're an atheist. This is so obvious...
>>18573397Not what I said. Before Islamic conquest destroyed native centralized political and religious authority, the Veda-affirming traditions were very sectarian and did not share a pan-Dharmic "Hindu" identity, with Tantric Saivism being the most dominant tradition. Muslim rule in India decentralized native Vedic traditions, leading to the ascendance of the pre-existing Bhakti movement from the south, which emphasized direct connection with the divine through personal devotion and without the need for Brahmins or temples, throughout the subcontinent. This led to the degeneration of the religion, as formalized ritualism and philosophical thought was abandoned in favor of vulgar devotion to murtis and literally anything else, the most infamous example being cows, in order to appeal to the low caste majority. Additionally, it is in this shared persecution that the shared "Hindu" identity crystalized. Everyone knows that Hinduism is in no way related to the Abrahamic religions. I merely explained this paradigm shift in the subcontinent, which why I said MODERN (shared) Hindu identity, anon.Now your turn to read.The Śaiva Age: The Rise and Dominance of Śaivism during the Early Medieval Periodhttps://zenodo.org/records/4395629 Kings and cults : state formation and legitimation in India and Southeast Asiahttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/f9576d8aeaa1718e956089feff9d2c1cJohn Stratton Hawley. A Storm of Songs: India and the Idea of the Bhakti Movement.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308908956_John_Stratton_Hawley_A_Storm_of_Songs_India_and_the_Idea_of_the_Bhakti_MovementViraha-bhakti: The Early History of Krsna Devotion in South Indiahttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/96450af2bd25c7ac147ca3a52e9a3b9f
>>18573411That would make you a traitor to your race. The only argument you cowards ever have is your own self-interest.
>>18576120Most peoples ancestors have likely practiced Christianity, Buddhism, or Islam for over a thousand years. If you reject the one your ancestors practiced, then you are betraying centuries of heritage and ancestry and are the true race traitor.
>>18572085They wuz kangz?
>>18572085>they were AryansYes, they were Indians.
>>18572298funny how slavs and germans had to learn it from the romans
>>18572931>India always was a shithole. Source: Jewish retards on 4chan
>>18577507>Da JOOOOOS!
>>18572085>the people who wrote the Vedic scripturesThe "Aryans" were already Zutted brows by that time.
>>18572253BAHAHAHAAH you actually believe this?
>>18572063India wasn't always a shithole. Why are /pol/tards allergic to basic nuance?
>>18572246No thanks rabbi.
>>18577569The "we wuz kangz" meme destroyed their ability to objectively analyze non-european history
>>18572063>JapanesePractice more Shinto beliefs>ThaiPractice more Satsani Phi beliefsAnyways Buddhism is to India what Christianity is to Israel yet people still practice that faith that came from jews
>>18577610But it really IS a problem. You can't even talk objetively about, say, the Abbasid Caliphate without some retard thinking you're either a muslim or a wokoid making shit up.
>>18578058>Practice more Shinto beliefsNote that Shinto was inseparable from Buddhism for most of Japanese history and any practice you do today would be steeped in like 1,300 years of the dharma
>>18578381There is no clear distinct line that separates the two but they are different. I was thinking along the lines of State Shinto, just do the practices and strip away those of foreign origin, and japanese practices that do develop a meaning in Buddhism, strip those as well.
>>18572063I dunno, OP. This doesn't really seem to be a problem to any real Japanese or Thai people so maybe you're just a special faggot?
>>18578431This
>>18578431Double this
>>18572063what is buddhism?
>>18578685>>18578812Yes yes and there are no real white people because we all come from Africa
>>18578058>Anyways Buddhism is to India what Christianity is to Israel yet people still practice that faith that came from jewsChristianity is 80% derived from Greco-Roman ideas.
>>18578970ok but that's still got nothing to do with Germanic peoples
>>18579006Over a millennium of Germanic religion has nothing to do with Germanic peoples? So what does? Paganism? Most of what you know about Germanic paganism was written down by Christians.
>>18572085>still looks like jeets but gayer
>>18572063It comes from modern day nepal, so you still have to feel embarrassed, but it's a slightly different kind of embarrassment
>>18578959>Real Japs and Thais don't have a bizarre -chan induced identity crisis unlike my American 4th gen alienated autistic ass>therefore uhhhh you're a LIB cuck!!!lmao sorry bro you're alone in this
>>18576254>you have to believe in and celebrate the eternal torture of almost all of your ancestors>otherwise you're a race traitor
>>18578431>has never heard of state Shinto
>>18579068Doesn't exist anymore, no Japanese person gives a shit about it, there are far more Japanese Buddhists than Shinto purists (and no, people going to holiday festival at shrines don't count) and it was a top down political movement.
>>18579063Denounce Vishnu.
>>18579068Lotta flash in the pan caused by Japs being overexposed to European shit and thinking they needed to copy having a "state church" like the Anglican or Scandinavian churches. For most of Japan's history nobody even thought of any strict division between what was Shinto and what was Buddhist
>>18579089What a high concentration of wrong for such a short post. The purist policies of state Shinto were never reversed. Formerly mixed shrines and temples are still split. Formerly syncretized deities are still spilt. They stopped defrocking Buddhist priests and destroying temples. But the idea that Buddhism is a foreign corruption to Shinto never actually went away, just cooled off in intensity and become more academic than political.And it was a populist movement. The government didn't even really endorse most of the destruction. That was regular people getting carried away with their anti-Buddhist resentment, which had been building both due to broader anti-foreign sentiment and specific disdain for the incestuous relationship between Buddhism and the state during the Tokugawa shogunate.But the most wrong thing is your goalpost moving. "Real Japanese people don't care" turning into "well uhm most people don't care now" when confronted with the fact that real Japanese people have commited murder over this.
>>18579110Japan already had a state church. That was a major reason people were mad about Buddhism, because it was that state church.
>>18572063Buddhism was founded by an Indian prince who genuinely despised the native Indian religion. Buddhism is a direct refutation of core Indian values. There's a reason India is not Buddhist.
>>18579117State Shinto is not shinbutsu bunri. It directly contributed to it, but the latter does not constitute the former. State Shinto is specifically a centralized imperial cult of Shinto, which regulated shrines under the state umbrella and centered around worship of Amaterasu and the living emperor. And likewise, haibutsu kishaku is not State Shinto. And of course the effects from it linger, but effect does not equal belief. The effects of Catholicism still linger in Czechia but that does not make Czechs devout Catholics now does it?You claim "moving goalposts" when your entire post is doing nothing but that. My prior brief comment is entirely on topic with State Shinto, and everything I said in it still stands. And no, most Japanese do not care about it and no, a psycho committing murder over it does not constitute most Japanese people. A Japanese guy stabbed a girl to death at a Pokemon shop relatively recently, so are most Japanese men going to stab women to death over rejection? Obviously not. A basketcase willing to kill is an outlier, not the rule, and this includes imperial worship. Most Japanese are irreligious and indifferent, if distrustful of religion. Not rapid State Shinto emperor worshippers, those are a small minority that are vastly outnumbered by Buddhists and syncretic Shinto-Buddhists. And again, someone going to a shrine for a festival doesn't make them a devout Shinto practitioner even if the shrine counts visitors as practictioners just because they visited once in the year for a festival.
>>18579181>a nation wide movement that still shapes Japanese religion over a century later>"outlier"You are such a dishonest rat.
>>18572063Do you think Buddhism is a good idea/has any value ?If it has than it means that even Indians can come up with good ideas/recognize the reality of existence and therefore might there is hope for them, even if many current day indians are debased shadows of their former glory as all things are temporary If it has no values/worth why bothering with it instead of moving on to something that has ?
>>18579117>Formerly mixed shrines and temples are still split.Considering McArthur privatized all religious properties in Japan, the newly endowed people naturally weren't keen on giving up on the fortune that fell into their laps.
>>18572063>the religion comes from dirty India?The Aryan part?
>>18572082Just a couple of hundred years ago, India had a population of 150 million.Pic is related. India's population has multiplied 5x since independence.Ask yourself who has the most children? The smart people, or the dumb people?
>>18579138>Buddhism is a direct refutation of core Indian values.ThisBuddhism is refutation of Hinduism / Indians in the same way Christianity is refutation of Judaism / Judeans
>>18579419>Christianity is refutation of Judaismwhat jewish values do christinity refute and what arguments it use for such ?
>>18572097Except in mesoamerica
