Why is learning in school about African Slavery and the Jewish Holocaust so important?
>>18576658Because your country worships blacks and is ruled by jews.
>>18576658The Atlantic Slave trade represents an achievement in economics, logistics, administration, and agriculture, it's arguably the forerunner to the industrial revolution.
They want you to believe that Whites are evil so you will feel ashamed to be White. That is why they purposefully avoid talking about the Arab Slave trade and they minimize discussions about Lotus Shoes and African genocides other nonWhite immoral affairs lol.
>>18576679A real white supremacist would only bring up the Arab slave trade in comparison to draw attention to it's negative economic impact on Middle Eastern economies and it's logistical flaws, whereas the Atlantic slave trade enriched Europe and utilized state of the art navigation and transport.
>>18576658Because school is supposed to inspire you with ideas of what you could do to make the world a better place.
>>18576658They are both relevant historical events, so you learn about them in history class. No school spends an extraordinary amount of time studying either.
>>18576658It's a core value of the modern civilized world that we dont do that kind of stuff anymore, so our rejection of those previously common practices is important.But apart from that they would also have been self-evidently historically important events in their own right. Like, why wouldnt the (partially industrialized) murder of 15 million be an important historical event? Is the Alamo or the gunfight at the O.K. Corral more important to you?
>>18576750American history is more important if you're in America.
>>18576658educational institutions have the duty to dissuade students from pursuing ideologies that are dangerous to society and human life, call it propaganda or whatever but that is the reason.
>>18576769They're obviously not doing a good job since so many people here think it's based and cool and want it to happen again.
>>18576771There's only so much propaganda can do. And sometimes it backfires. I remember being in school and having it drilled into my head that Hitler was the devil incarnate and just gassed jews because he was pure evil. And I was like "surely that can't be the case". Eventually this led to me having a chud phase. If everyone didn't act so asspained about Hitler, that probably wouldn't have happened.
>>18576658To shame you out of taking your own side. They want you to associate White ethnocentrism with genocide and atrocity, while excusing non-White ethnocentrism as a reactive measure of self-defense.>>18576750Neither the Holocaust nor the Atlantic Slave Trade were unprecedented historical phenomena, provided you don't stoop to the pettiest level of semantics. It would be one think if that were acknowledged, but instead we're gaslit and badgered into seeing them as a "unique" evil shouldering Europeans with some special moral debt.
>>18576797one thing*
>>18576797>They want you to associate White ethnocentrism with genocide and atrocityTwo world wars.>>18576797>Neither the Holocaust nor the Atlantic Slave Trade were unprecedented historical phenomenaRead a book.
>>18576750>It's a core value of the modern civilized world that we dont do that kind of stuff anymoreReddit. The purpose is to make white men look so bad and feel so guilty and ashamed for prioritizing their own group of people and criticizing other groups of people that they will censor themselves in public debate and let themselves be walked all over and if they don't then they will trigger the conditioned response of the normies to associate such criticism as and setting boundaries as literally Hitler and if you get the "bad person" label that somehow mean that no one has to include your point of view in the debate anymore so minorities, feminists and jews can say and do whatever they want you will not say or do anything back.
>>18576813You're frail.
>>18576810you are a stupid, brainless faggot who views the world through tired cliches
>>18576810>Two world wars.Had nothing to do with White ethnocentrism whatsoever. They were institutionally racist colonial powers fighting each other. You got psyop'd by Cold War propaganda to believe otherwise.
>>18576819>I'm not like the other chuds, I'm a smug midwit who wandered back onto the reservation >:)you will never be a normalfag
I grew up in the California public school system and literally the only historical subjects we were ever taught about were the holocaust, slavery, and the civil rights movement. Again and again and a fucking gain. No Ancient Greece, no renaissance, no American revolution. Just constant fucking niggers and Jews. My future kids are going to private school in a red state.
>>18576839Home school if possible. They're probably going to be hapas too so save them from the bullying.
>>18576840Nah I don’t race mix, Asian girls don’t really do it for me anyways
>>18576829Not him, but while I agree that the World Wars weren't a product of racism or White ethnocentrism as you said, the Holocaust itself was. Of course, genocide isn't something exclusive to any group of people, but it is necessary to teach that killing large numbers of civilians, for any reason, is wrong. The Holocaust happens to be an extreme example of that.
>>18576848I am indifferent to genocide. It's not some unique evil, never was.
>>18576797>Neither the Holocaust nor the Atlantic Slave Trade were unprecedented historical phenomena, provided you don't stoop to the pettiest level of semantics. The Holocaust was the first time industrial planning and execution was used in pursuit of exterminating an ethnic group. That certainly had a lot of novelty factor. But sure, if we go back in history and pre-history, no doubt many peoples were no doubt, unlike the jews, not just partially wiped out but completely wiped out, and left no trace but are gone and forgotten. But in most or all prior cases it happened through a combination of warfare, disease, conversion and assimilation, rape and intermarriage.Hitler was really the first guy, who not only had the urge and intent to completely exterminate a huge tribe with millions of members, but also the means to do so and set about doing it. In both that case and in the case with the slave trade, the concerned parties (jews, slave decendans) are living as citizens of our countries, which is no doubt a contributing reason why this is given additional weight.>It would be one think if that were acknowledged, but instead we're gaslit and badgered into seeing them as a "unique" evil shouldering Europeans with some special moral debt.I think there is something to that, and part of it is really what I'd call political intellectual laziness, where the people who hold a certain position (pro-democracy, pro-inalienable constitutional rights, anti-racism, etc.) instead of figuring out what their position ought to be in 2026 and why prefer to fight yesterdays wars that have already been won, in a comforting manner.But, Hitler and the nazis did not only kill 15 million people in the Holocaust. They also started a war that killed, in total, 70 million, and most of them in Europe. And that happened in recent history. That IS a very relevant thing to bring up, because 70 million europeans getting keked isnt a fucking good thing.
>>185768742/2 ...still it's better to stay firmly rooted in the now instead of settling every question with WHAT ABOUT THE SHOAH. History might serve as a good guide in raising doubt when some guy that comes along and promises that Iron Will and the Destiny of the German Volk will bring a glorious future.But the WWII experience really tells us nothing about what the right level of immigration should be, or how easy or hard it is to shape a mix of people from all over the world and all kinds of backgrounds into a coherent functioning society.For that question it would have been much more relevant to consider New York City or Rome or the early history of humanity.
>>18576813>minorities, feminists and jews can say and do whatever they want you will not say or do anything back.There's not anything to say back when they have a point.
Unironically to shame the chuds back in the closet.
>>18576691kek
>>18576658to make you seethe
>>18576658Atrocity propaganda
>>18576658At some point it was so people would become less racist by looking at the worst examples of racism, but I think it had the exact opposite effect when it started to become an excuse to scold white people for existing instead
>>18578158
>>185781671. I'm not a right winger. I just think the way DEI was handled during the height of liberal identity politics was an absurd disaster and in part to blame for the ressurgence of right wing racial politics in modern discourse. It was irresponsible and idiotic2. Never post that reddit object labelling shit again
Because international freemasonry was behind both.
>>18576658You see, we want you to hate white things. You need to hate white things more.
>>18578208>in part to blame for the ressurgence of right wing racial politics in modern discourse.Anon the rigjt wing racial poltics wouldn't have changed if DEI was "never a thing". Their entire game plan is screaming about minorities 24/7 even if DEI was extremely minor in the grand scheme of things.>It was irresponsible and idioticThe RW always threw shitfits over any equity polcies that were made no matter if it only looked at class, family history or was solely holistic. They just want to hate and scapegoat. That Pic isn't even a reddit thing.
>>18576658It's a mystery, OP.
>>18576854>It's not some unique evil, never was.Organized killing process that is meant to either wipe off the targeted group or enslave them/keep them under your thrall isn't a unique evil?
>>18576839>No Ancient Greece, no renaissance, no American revolution. Just constant fucking niggers and Jews. My future kids are going to private school in a red state.Private schools suck ass and it's your fault you didn't take the upper level history courses.
>>18578217anon clearly said genocide is not a unique evil
>>18578208>ressurgence of right wing racial politicsname one racist party that is currently gaining power, real life and twitter are two different things, moron
>>18578213The approach itself was idiotic and irresponsible. Colorblind admissions would have solved any potential discrimination related issues, for instance, and they did for a while, but this wasn't enough, which made certain activists push for explicitely race based hiring practices, for instance, which can't do anything but cause backlash. But I won't argue with you, since you seem to have either memoryholed the years leading up to the trump election, don't think there was anything wrong with mainstream identity politics discourse, don't think there should be any moral responsibility for backlash, or all of the above.
>>18576658They indoctrinate you to mythologize and abhor violence done to them.
>>18578231>Colorblind admissions would have solved any potential discrimination related issuesTheu would still complain because the idea of a non-white getting chosen for ANYTHING is what makes them go rabid.They still got crazy over the countless race blind measures that consider family and class. The thi f about these policies is that you can have muplte that can work at the same time but these guys just want to can all of it.>don't think there was anything wrong with mainstream identity politics discourse, don't think there should be any moral responsibility for backlash, or all of the above.What moral responsibility you retard? These guys were attacking schools and workplaces with class only and regional based equity measures. Are you ten yeara old or something?
>>18578219I did take them, I was an AP student. Those classes were kiked to hell as well. It wasn’t just history either. The English classes were the same shit>muh slavery>muh Anne Frank>muh Harlem RenaissanceAnd people wonder why so many kids today are insane leftists
>>18578237Worst part is even if academia you have guya basically trying to harass and fuckover thwir own colleagues because of their beliefs of said colleagues race ir if "they really belong there".
>>18578239Are you chronically online or something? American doesn't even have any strain of leftism worthy of note.
>>18578244Fuck off back to blue sky dipshit
>>18578237My point is that instead of creating people more conscious of racism, it made more people aware of race, which was 1 or 2 steps away from simply creating people who are more racist. It did nothing but give ammunition to right wingers, there were fewer of these people around before the approaches to DEI changed and they started trying to frame whiteness as a sort of negative identity. >What moral responsibility you retard? These guys were attacking schools and workplaces with class only and regional based equity measures. Are you ten yeara old or something?You are the one having the emotional response of a teenager.I'm not the only one who thinks this by the way, and these people better change their approach if they want normal people to listen to them again and win elections and such
>>18576839I also grew up in the California public school system and that is a complete and utter lie. Civil Rights and Slavery was taught once in 3rd grade, then once again around Sophmore year of Highschool. The Holocaust was only taught in Highschool along with the World Wars other than some Middle School English teachers reading the Diary of Anne Frank, but only if they chose to do so.I was taught about Ancient Greece, the Renaissance, for as long or longer than the above subjects, and the American Revolution took up what felt like 20 years in Middle School and again in Highschool.I don't know what you're trying to gain by lying on the internet (who does that anyway?), but next time you should lie about something not so immediately falsifiable and without the enormous possibility of running into one of the literal 40 million people who can prove your weird little fetish wrong.
>>18576841Judging by how you type you ain't gonna have much of a choice buster.
>>18578223https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany>Alternative for Germany (German: Alternative für Deutschland, AfD [aːʔɛfˈdeː] ) is a far-right,[18] right-wing populist,[19] national conservative,[20][21] and in parts völkisch nationalist[nb 3] political party in Germany. It has 151 members of the Bundestag and 15 members of the European Parliament. It is the largest opposition party in the Bundestag and a member of the Europe of Sovereign Nations Group in the European Parliament.[22]>In April 2025, for the first time in German history, AfD was ahead of the CDU/CSU (Union) in some opinion polls for the next federal election, while other polls put it on par with the Union or in second place. Support for the CDU/CSU, an alliance that won the election, fell from 29% to 24%, while AfD rose by three percentage points from 22% to 25%, partially becoming the most popular party in Germany.
>>18578255>My point is that instead of creating people more conscious of racismAnytime people tried that people threw shit fits like OP or kept denying it even with it being totally public.>it made more people aware of race, which was 1 or 2 steps away from simply creating people who are more racistThose people already harbored those sentiments or kept it on the low because it wasn't socially okay.>It did nothing but give ammunition to right wingers, there were fewer of these people around before the approaches to DEI changed and they started trying to frame whiteness as a sort of negative identity. What? It was ALWAYS about framing any equity or social assistance off any type of criteria as bad thing. They attacked it off classist rhetoric and and shitty moralistic "bootstrap" mantra. If everyone was White they'd STILL apply the same amount of hate and vigor.>these people better change their approach if they want normal people to listen to them again and win elections and suchHow? Equity based, racial, class, regional holistic and more all got attacked. Do they just have to give up and just sling shitty feel good Lib mantras that ultimately do nothing and make things worse because there's no one left to do anything?Texas A&M sent out admission letter to each High Schools top 10% and they still faced lawsuits.
My school barely touched on slavery besides "it's bad okay" and it was in a wealthy liberal county. Maybe you'd have a point about the Holocaust since it WILL be brought up in elementary, middle, and high school and you WILL read Number the Stars, Anne Frank + the movie, and Night and you WILL like it (also it's just a coincidence our county has a bunch of rich jews, don't think too hard about it goy) but I don't understand these rightoids who pretend history in public schooling is just endlessly crying about whites bad.
The average person here never payed attention in school (otherwise they wouldn't be the average poster here) so any opinions they have on the public school system should be disregarded anyways
>>18578430Ya fuck you too
>>18578217No, why would it be?
>>18578461>but I don't understand these rightoids who pretend history in public schooling is just endlessly crying about whites bad.History education in a country needs to be dedicated to lionization of the nation. That is the model of success nations whose populations are patriotic. For example, Turks committed all kinds of atrocities throughout the ages but Turkey is careful to present a lionized account of their history to their youth. That way, Turkish people grow up to support their nation without any reservations or guilt/self-hate. It works in Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. This is a big part of why those nations are succeeding and the West is stumbling.
>>18578467>The average person here never payed attention in school (That's a school problem.
>>18578429idk about you but I definitely read Number the Stars in elementary school
>>18576813>Reddit.I made a factual statement, not a normative one, unless you assign value to "modern, civilized". But sure if you want me to soften it for your sake let's go with that it's a core value of the democratic post-WWII west that we dont do that kind of stuff anymore. That does not preclude the possibility there will come along some other regime and decide that "no, we definitely want to do industrialized murder, chattel slavery and wars with a hundred million dead". You can still dream.
>>18578208Does talking about the atrocities of Genghis Khan amount to scolding mongolians for existing? I dont really feel personally attacked when people dont like Hitler, because I'm not Hitler and I'm not a Nazi.I think your problem is more with the modern mythology where let's say women, jews, blacks are said to "have suffered", and the clash with material reality where the truth is that we all have.
>>18576679only 2% of whites had slaves and white people don’t actually give a shit. It’s actually just interesting to learn about
>>18578521Depends on whether the narrative is "we still have a lot of work to do to undo the damage wrought by Genghis Khan"
>>18578568Well that pertains to what I called intellectual laziness among the constitutional democrats. In the wake of WWII, Hitler Nazis and Fascism were incredibly toxic (old sense) and branding something "Nazism" ended the discussion. This was of course much less effort than actually considering the question at hand and your grounded opinions about it, so with time this habit of settling discussions by crying nazism or impending holocaust institutionalized.Take the question of asylum immigration, a policy which does originate as a reaction to WWII, but equally or more as a cold war move against the Warsaw pact block. (Designed to embarrass and undercut communist countries by allowing their dissidents to settle in the West)When disparate people in the West started to raise questions about the challenges of getting large groups of foreigners from disparate cultures and with disparate backgrounds to work inside one efficient shared predictable culture and social contract, then instead of considering the topic on the merits asking the hard questions and maybe learning something, it was easier to just shout "Nazis"And here we are
>>18578601>When disparate people in the West started to raise questions about the challenges of getting large groups of foreigners from disparate cultures and with disparate backgrounds to work inside one efficient shared predictable culture and social contract, then instead of considering the topic on the merits asking the hard questions and maybe learning somethingThe reason no one considers this is because both leaders of the 20th century were countries made up of a large groups of foreigners from disparate cultures and with disparate backgrounds working inside one efficient shared predictable culture and social contract so with these as examples it becomes painfully obvious that the only reason someone is begging this particular question is xenophobia.
>>18578617Who are >both, is it the US and the USSR, or what?I never claimed it's an unsolvable problem, I think it is, but it might remain unsolved if handled with the combination of full personal freedom and zero pressure to adhere to a native culture, and also political unwillingness to make large investments in helping immigrants to integrate. And it also surely depends on the rate of immigration and the homogeneity and characteristics of the origin culture. These arent trivial questions.Take first gen Japanese, who are on average model immigrants, but completely resist to internalize pretty much anything about their host culture. The japanese culture just puts immense importance in paying attention to your surroundings and fitting in perfectly while having extremely strong ideas about its own superiority.When you put people from a hundred different backgrounds in one getto either you have some set of norms that is heavily enforced one way or another, through a vocal expectation that everyone adapt to the "american way", or through outright coersion.Or if you dont your other option is to give these people time to work out a new fusioned set of norms that fits together in a consistent way and are efficient and predictable. Can I trust a handshake or cant I? That takes time, generations.
>>18578434>quoting Wikipedia on political issuesThe AfD is led by a lesbian married to a Shri Lankan that adopted a child from Switzerland. Please explain how this is fascist.
>>18576658Why is learning the number of rivets on the turret of a Panzer 4 so important?
>>18576771>so many people here post the edgiest thing they can think of to win edgelord points amongst the other edgelords who would never say any of these things in real life
>>18576687Nice try lmao
>>18578617You can claim xenophobia all you want, except for two things, one people will prioritise their own kin before foreigners, this is a universal constant. Two, mass migration is an economic and political tool designed to crush the middle and working class and create a neo-feudal society where hordes of semi-literate third worlders act as cheap labour for the ruling class, as well as a voting base designed to prevent unionization, or any form of native revolt against the billionaire ruling class.
>>18576839Anon was in fact taught about Ancient Greece and the Renaissance but being a fat spiteful goblin 14 year old dismissed it as "gay faglord shit" at the time and only remembers the lessons about slavery and the holocaust because that suits his political agenda decades later.
>>18576854Agreed, white genocide isn't evil :)
>>18578690"Your own kin" is highly fluid. Jews, Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians are all the genetically identical people. Then some shit happened and they ended up with different religions killing eachother. These things can be changed. Being an "american" is a completely artificial, made-up concept, without any grounding in one one ethnicity.But like I argued in another post, having a shared culture and some shared assumptions how things are supposed to work is worth something and having none of that is a breeding ground for conflict and shit not working.Most people in most places want to take care of their family and live the good life and see their kids succeed. But taking/letting in 100,000+ per year, putting everyone in gettos and expecting them to work out a shared set of rules to abide by that fit the rural muslim and the african, and the east-asian and the european without conflict or issue or investment, and in a matter of years, is an utopia.
>>18576658To understand why things are the way they are? What would you rather learn in history class? You're gonna have to talk about them eventually even if it makes you personally uncomfortable.
>>18578497You can thank the CCP and it's foreign intelligence services who have been influencing American universities since 2000 and skyrocketed in influence after 2008, the soft power of China was more or less mobilized in 2019my point is a significant portion of our education system is under the influence of foreign adversaries seeking to demoralize the US and those aligned with the US to ultimately start diverting military funding to pay for the ever expanding social spending.things like reparations for slavery failed, but things like medical did not.starting with young adults in college and trickling down to High School Middle School Elementary, if you can convince them to hate themselves you can convince them to surrender without the need to declare war.
>>18578239>righr wing is when you hate niggers and jewsYou retards are mentally ill. You have no concept of political ideology at all.
>>18579059Blaming China is a cope. The rot began with us. Healthy civilizations don’t fall for self-hatred the way the West did. Can you imagine Arabs or Pakistanis acting the way white liberals do? Impossible.
>>18576658Both of these things sucked ass unironically.
Slavery is a significant elements of US history.The holocaust is discussed, but not nearly to the extent people claim it is Regardless, the holocaust played a foundational role in forming post-war norms on human rights
>>18578749notice how your example involved a genetic group fragmenting, not disparate groups uniting. Has the latter ever happened?
>>18579213irony intended?
>>18578506Nop, you are a retard. It is a parents and students problem. You are all raised like narcissists, including white kids, you are all atrocious and addicted to cellphones. You only care about social standing, not education t. I am a teacher, I even started as a racist conservative man but seeing firsthand that white kids are the exact same as Black or latinx kids made me realize poltards are fucking retarded.
>>18579059>Muh CCP I am a teacher and never in my life has a Chinese approached me or any of my peers to teach anti american propaganda. You are fucking insane. It is even illegal to criticize the usa, in red states you can instantly lose your job over it. At most we teach tolerance so kids don't grow up to be monsters like previous generations and that is a damn good thing because look at yourself, do some soul searching, you are paranoid and full hatred. You are becoming more and more a monster and less human.
>>18579355>It is even illegal to criticize the usa, in red states you can instantly lose your job over it
>>18579305It included one of each. The example of disparate groups getting a shared identity was the US.
>>18579578Or maybe a better one and more fun is Jews. Jews are pretty much a fake ethnicity. A bunch of people many whom but not all are vaguely related somehow far back but incredibly mixed up with all kinds of ethnicities from all across the world. And large groups have little-to-no blood from the original jews at all.In spire of all this, the whole world is pretty much united in believing they're a real genetically distinct and cohesive people, including themselves. And as mentioned, their primary enemy happens to in reality be more pureblooded jews than themselves, but who they erroneously believe is of no relation.So yes, there is pretty good evidence that there is more to identity and group loyalty than DNA. Religion is clearly one of those factors that can trump ethnicity or remodel perceived ethnicity as Jews will pretty much anyone who converts to their religion more Jewish than actual Jews. And likewise, the actual Jews refuse to admit they are Jews because they have converted to Islam.
>>18576658Because manipulative jews have been allowed to dominate our society.
>>18579342>I am a teacherLiterally all your fault LMAO
>>18579310No, I sincerely think that Arab/Pakistani cultures, Islamic civilization in general, is in a much healthier place than the West. They are for the most part poorer than the West, but they are growing, there is no risk of replacement, and the people support their civilization. There are no self-hating Arabs in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. Their ability to be proud of themselves and to ignore any negative aspects of their history is a sign of strength.
>>18576658to justify DEI and mass immigration of course
>>18579213>third worlders have no self hating fifth columnistsYou have an oddly optimistic view of the third world.
>>18579342thisstupidest kids i've ever worked with were whiteys
>>18579366How is it that the west used to critique China on it's obssessive fixation on monitoring speech, yet they managed to eclipse them over such a short span of time? Surveillance has gone up too with shitty flock cameras but it's all useless because cops either try to avoid handing out any incriminating cop abuse evidence or they genuinely lack the braincells to use it properly.
>>18579640This.that guy is a failure as fuck teacher
>>18580084okay but nobody's being fired because they criticized america
>>18580097People have gotten fired or targetted in multiple ways for saying anything about current government policies or anything that is remotely not dick-sucking Israel. You'd have to be genuinely blind to not notice it all go down for the last two years.
>>18580106so when anon says>It is even illegal to criticize the usa, in red states you can instantly lose your job over ityou agree with him and can provide examples?
>>18579939They literally don’t. Find me one Muslim with White-style civilizational guilt/self-hate. They don’t exist, Islamic civilization is immune to that sort of thing.
>>18580148https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
>>18576658>African SlaveryMostly because they are the biggest crybabies + lack of consistent application of neutrality in history and education.>Jewish HolocaustOne of the more significant events in recent memory, makes sense why it's taught. Falls into the first point about slavery still.
>>18579059>China
>>18579701Saudi Arabia and Qatar have below replacement birth rates. Most Arab nations have this same problem. Even the poorest ones that have a positive birth rate are slowly moving towards a negative rate.
