What caused the decline of Christianity in Europe?
>>18577098The Internet
>>18577098Europe voted for socialists after pointless brother war 2 and gradually became a degenerate atheist nihilist society with low birth rates being replaced by other cultures which, though low IQ, maintain the vitality of a race that wants to exist in the real world. Exactly as der Führer predicted.
>>18577101BIPOCs rape kids, 'jeets especially
>>18577101but also muslims, muhammad prophet of islam raped 9 year old aisha
>>18577101also blacks and hispanics
>>18577101and jews of course
>>18577098Increased wealth = greater exposure to sin and greater attachment to the material world (AKA Satan) over spiritual well-being. The Bible already makes this observation
>>18577098Material conditions improved, reduced social pressure and coercion by the state to be of the right faith and most importantly it not only became socially acceptable to criticize religion but criticisms of it also became widespread in the media thanks to the likes of Hitchens or Dawkins. Previously you were born and raised into the faith and there were reinforcing societal mechanisms for keeping you in the faith, as soon as people were allowed to question it many people didn't think it sounded reasonable to them.
Degeneracy
>>18577098I dont know but I was excommunicated thrice and got fed up and didn't seek out absolution again. All because I asked questions. 3rd excommunication was the last one. I lost all 3 letters because my mom moved my shit and cleaned my room.
>>18577098>What caused the decline of Christianity in Europe?Christians
>>18577098Christianity has been disproved, so the more intelligent European states don't believe in it anymore.
>>18577098Religion is mostly sustained through coercion and shame.The coercion is gone, which just left the shame, which is almost gone.
>>18577098Literacy. Every wave of increasing literacy and availability of scripture coincided with a weakening of christian dogma and faith in it. It's a religion that cannot withstand scrutiny.
>>18577143Ah, yes, Bulgaria a bastion of wealth and satanism.
>>18577098The policy of appeasement. The churches tried to be more liberal and open in order to appeal to the zeitgeist of the last 50 years. It's a great misunderstanding in regards to what drives people to religion. Islam is so popular exactly because it gives people strict rules by which to live and because it does not compromise on its core tenants. That gives it more credibility in the eyes of people who search for meaning in their life. Because if it is actually the will of God, why would you change it just because some leftist activists don't like it?t. atheist
>>18577101>>18577117>>18577717The seeds of the decline of Christianity among Europeans is centuries old; France being the first post Christian country, and others following. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reasonhttps://www.iwp.edu/articles/2018/01/12/the-dechristianization-of-france-during-the-french-revolution/European elites questioned religion around the enlightenment, and the French revolution made it so that commoners did so aswell.The Industrial Revolution changing society so drastically, and the discovery of evolution had large affects as well.The trauma of the world wars also sped up the process of losing faith.Its been a while since Ive read A Secular Age, but the main factors (beginning after the medieval period) were what Charles Taylor called disenchantment, which is the collapse in the belief of magic, and that the spiritual/supernatural and the natural were totally intertwined, and the buffered self, which is the belief that people are separate from the outside world and collective unconsciousness
>>1857709830 year war, followed by the enlightenment setting up ground for ideas like "freedom of religion" and theismMassive rise in literacy and education in the 20th century2 world warsThe US is an oddity because it was a colony populated by religious extremists and which had persistent "religious revivals" throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.
>>18578080Do you think a new great awakening/religious revival is likely in the coming decades? In the USA I think it’s likely, in Europe I think its less likely >30 year warGood point, I should’ve mentioned it >>18578073 there, the religious conflict in the 17th century made Europeans not want to fight over religion anymore
>>18577098The TV.
>>18577098The West is dying. Christianity is dying with it.
>>18577098>>18578116>The most common number of children a British or American woman has by her mid-thirties is now zero>The share of young adults in the west living as a couple is in decline>Birth rates in liberal, developed countries look exceptionally unlikely to return to replacement level any time soon
>>18578120Russian women abort more Russians than are born
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia#Recent_statistics
>>18577098PROTESTANTISM.
>>18578116Irreligiousness is fueling the recent birth rate decline.>From 2010 to 2013, nonreligious women had about the same birth rates as women who attended religious services less than weekly, before their fertility slumped through 2019. Indeed, virtually 100% of the decline in fertility in the United States from 2012 to 2019 can be explained through a combination of a growing number of religious women converting to irreligion, and declining birth rates among the nonreligious. Atheists are literally murdering the West.>>18578091It will happen because European Christians have more children than European atheists and this scales with the seriousness of their belief. Atheists will eventually die away or will nominally adopt a religion for protection, especially as Muslims develop political power.
>>18577119So what's wrong with it?
>>18577098That one emperor making it the obligatory thing so hundreds of thousands of people pretended to be Christian but in fact kept being pagans.
>>18577201Who excommunicated you?
>>18577717Church is in a Catch-22 problem here. Appeasement to liberal elements doesn’t really work, because it fails to attract new members while also alienating hardliners, but it’s also a galactic-sized cope to go all>IF WE JUST PREACHED ABOUT HELLFIRE PEOPLE WOULD SWARM BACKas many hardliners do. It would just make the Church even more distant to those people who are hanging around the edges of it, enjoying ceremonies like Christian weddings and funerals without deeper commitment.So, lose-lose it is.
>>18578823Historically, the reason most people had like 15 children was because infant mortality rates were high and most children wouldn’t make it to adulthood, as a result parents would have a ton of children in hopes that at least one of them would survive. With the rise of living standards and decline of infant mortality rates, there’s less of a reason to have a ton of childrenThere's also the fact that up until a century ago, the vast majority of people were peasants who just farmed all day. Having more children meant having more help on the farm. Because most people in developed countries live comfortably and don’t need to do the kind of labor their ancestors did, there’s less of an incentive to have children and in fact, having a child is actually more of a burden in the modern environment.Riding living standards is the reason why people in developed countries today are having less and less children. The only countries with stable birthrates are all countries where the vast majority of the population lives in poverty and infant mortality rates are still high. It has nothing to do with “decline of traditional values,” especially since more developed religious countries like Poland and Italy are also experiencing a decline in birth rate
>>18578914Poland and Italy aren't religious at all. You either have an outdated view on those countries or don't know what a religious country is like.
>>18577098They exist as a limbo on earth in the present day. A series of theme parks fronting as countries in the wake of WW2's collective trauma and the decades of being pawns of rival super powers. Even the far right in Europe act the way they do because they don't want their exhibits tarnished by Muslim culture rather than as actual players in the game of world history. They don't have the main character syndrome of the Americans or Russia or the Middle Kingdom legitimism of the PRC. What use is god to such a civilization? They bask in a sunset.
>>18579768Tl;DrCharles de Gaulle was right about everything
>>18577098Because Europe is a scientifically and intellectually advanced enough civilization to not need to rely on cult beliefs from antiquity to explain reality. I find it really funny that people whose whole bit is glazing le superior western civilization want nothing more than for the west to regress back several centuries.
>>18579776Apparently not scientifically advanced enough to send humans to the moon though
>>18579779Jesus didn't get people to the moon buddy
>>18577098Boomers destroyed the Church with Vatican II and modernism. Hopefully Gen Z will take over and destroy atheism and shitlibs.
>>18577121Jesus commanded rape of little girls on an industrial scale in numbers
>>18577717Islam isn't popular, it's just strictly enforced since most Muslim majority nations are theocracies. If you didn't have the state forcing people to engage with a religion, most people just become apathetic and only see it as a cultural manifestation. You go to the church/mosque/temple during holidays and festivals to have fun with your family. Muslims in the west leave the religion, or become apathetic by the second generation precisely because there is no state boot on your neck forcing you to act pious. Christianity only dominated Europe because the various states in it forcefully converted the population and kept them under strict theocratic rule for centuries before people slowly crated the modern, secular system that stripped the church of it's power to control our daily lives.
>>18580542>Islam isn't popular, it's just strictly enforced since most Muslim majority nations are theocraciesThis is such a sheltered white bunny response, it's almost adorable. It's institutions are structured to demand more commitment and engagement from its believers; in terms of it's five prayer obligations punctuating the day, the month of Ramadan, and it's emphasis on community, zakat, etc. The believer cannot remain apathetic to it; you can't just carry a cross, or lie to your children about some woman in a mini-skirt interested in your teeth, or a fat man making his way down your chimney. Walk into any Muslim country you'll find a section of the population in mosques rising for prayer and supplications at dawn, at noon and at dusk. Perhaps in its pragmatism, it is designed to be self-reinforcing, the individual gets drawn into a collective body. And that is why a criticism is sometimes levied, that it can be suffocating for people, who doesn't want to engage. But in any case, it's not contingent upon theocratic regimes as you said.
