>>18577298
>the president has the authority to do something
>therefore I have the authority to do something
The argument against this is that you aren’t God

>>18577298
Genocide was against the giants therefore it was morally just as they were the product of demons fornicating with humans

>>18577301
Are you saying that God is "all-good", but his good is not actually objective good, and is only subjectively good for him?
That's pretty straightforwardly heresy.

If God is all good, and only does good, and does a genocide, therefore good genocide exists. Therefore blanked laws banning all genocide are immoral.

>>18577303
The Midianites weren't giants and God commanded Moses to tell the Jews to kill all the men and take the little girls as sex slaves.

>>18577307
>Are you saying that God is "all-good", but his good is not actually objective good, and is only subjectively good for him?
No, categories of objective and subjective are irrelevant to what I’m saying. Are you being disingenuous or are you so dull that you don’t understand the concept of authority?

>>18577303
This would still mean that there is such a thing as moral genocide, and therfore all law that blankly bans all genocide is immoral.

>>18577313
Ok so you’re just being disingenuous and slanderous
sage and hide

>>18577317
You have 3 options:
>Divine Command Theory (voluntarism):
Whatever God does or commands is good because it is God's will. On this view, if God commands the destruction of a people, that act is morally good by virtue of God's authority and nature. Therefore, its a good genocide. Therefore, genocide can be good. Therefore, a blanked ban on genocide is immoral.
>God's Nature Theory (common in classical Christianity):
Goodness is identical with God's perfectly good nature. God cannot act contrary to that nature, so whatever God does is necessarily good - not by arbitrary definition, but because His nature is the standard of goodness. Therefore, when God commands or commits a genocide, its a good genocide. Therefore, genocide can be good. Therefore, a blanked ban on genocide is immoral.
>Moral realism independent of God:
Goodness exists independently of God, and God is good because He perfectly conforms to it. Therefore, when God commands or commits a genocide, it must be a good genocide, or he wouldn't do it. Therefore, genocide can be good. Therefore, a blanked ban on genocide is immoral.

So where are you going?

>>18577303
Canaanite children are giants?

>>18577318
Yes, under Abrahamic religion genocide is justified against hopelessly degenerate populations
See: the flood

>>18577355
So its morally good to kill 4chan Anons?

>>18577358
this is true even without god

>>18577298
>theist
This argument only applies to the various sects of judaism. And they all obviously agree with the idea of moral genocide based on their behavior.

>>18577368
1. Abrahamic religions are the only politically relevant religions.
2. They all have the "do not kill" law.
3. They all complain about genocides.

so no

>>18577298
Funny you say that. RCC is against executions so now some latam countries have an issue with that because it's physically hard for them to keep criminals imprisoned for life (they get broken out or w/e like with cartels). So basically, in OT, jews had no other real recourse, given in those times people were heavily indoctrinated into their culture from birth, and blood feuds were a thing. So once you encountered a population that had a custom of child sacrifice, or a population that attacked you, the most ethical and practical course of action was wiping them out. Because otherwise they'd keep attacking you. So if there's a whole nation with a blood feud culture attacking you, yes, you can wipe them out.

>>18577313
Sex slavery is never mentioned re little girls, that's you jumping to conclusions, which says a lot about you.

There is a law in Deuteronomy 21:10 - Marriage to a Captive Woman - that explicitly says in those cases you're supposed to give that person time to grieve, then you marry them and treat them as your proper wife, not as a slave. Then if "she does not please you" you are to let her go free.

>>18577373
War brides are explicitly sex slaves. What the fuck do you call someone who had her entire family killed, taken from the ruins of her home be her families killer and then forced into marriage with him. Also it clearly states women who have never been with a man. Theoretically that includes spinsters and young adults, but also children.

>>18577373
classical slavery was often about adopting that person into your family
in primitive manor style estates, all teh workers were part of the family, more or less

>>18577373
>>18577385
Also I'm sure the jews were extra respectful towards their war brides and never did anything bad to them, and if they didn't want to marry their families murderer, they got sent free, with zero problems. How naive are you?

>>18577369
>1
This is neither true, nor does it logically follow as a response to what either I or the OP said.
>2
Killing is even more directly and explicitly endorsed by their religions. What they actually prohibit is murder. But if you can justify a killing, it isn't murder. And they have entire books of justifications for killing.
>3
This is part of the problem with your first point. They all get butthurt about genocides targeting themselves and their coreligionists, which they would obviously claim are against their "god"'s will. And christians specifically also piss and shit over anything that could even potentially lead to genocide against jews, because christians worship jews. But, outside of that, virtually all opposition to genocide in societies where branches of judaism are the predominant religion derive from secular arguments by mostly or entirely irreligious people. Even to this day, the devout christians in otherwise secular Western countries openly and consistently advocate for genocide.

>>18577313
>>18577373
>muh sex slaves
No one ever gives a shit about the murdered infant boys. jews don't even bother arguing about it being justified. It's just a presupposition of the infant penis cutting religion that boys' lives have no value.

>>18577391
I mentioned that the men and along with them the boys would also be killed. It was just a little extra to point out the sex slavery. Like a cherry on top. But what else can you expect from the orders of a semitic storm and war god like Yahwe. After he lost his wife Asherah to monotheism he gets more and more unhinged.

>>18577385
>>18577387
>God does not mention sex slaves
>text does not mention sex slaves
>text mentions an obligation that captive women have same legal status as normal wives or must be let go free
>anti-Christian: NOOO IT WAS SEX SLAVERY IT WAS SEX SLAVERY IT WAS REAL IN MY HEAD NOOO ITS IMPOSSIBLE PEOPLE WOULDN'T RAPE SOMEONE
huh

>>18577303
Why did god make a race of beings that are inherently evil?

>>18577404
A goym wouldn't understand.

>>18577404
They are not inherently evil. They are evil irrevocably by own choice.

>>18577403
Sure bro, let me get into your house, kill you and your wife and take your daughter as my bride. But don't worry, I'm following jewish customs, and if "she does not please me" I'll let her go free. Also God told me I can do it.

>>18577408
If they aren't inherently evil and are therefore redeemable, then how can genocide be justified?

>>18577403
>Kill her family and take her as your bride
>That's not sex slavery goyim
Is this the legendary high jewish IQ in action?

>>18577410
>>18577413
Sad, sad seething.


>>18577412
Angels are pure intellects choosing with full knowledge and without the changeability that lets humans repent. So the angelic choice is understood as total and irreversible: having chosen against God with complete understanding, they are permanently fixed in that orientation.

Anyway, not bumping this retarded thread anymore.

>>18577412
>According to Genesis 6:5, the time of Noah was defined by profound moral decay: "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". Because humanity had corrupted the earth with relentless violence, God grieved over creation and initiated the Great Flood
God can see into their hearts and determine their complete decent into degeneracy with no will to participate in the good, therefore demanding justice so that creation may be redeemed

>>18577416
>Angels are pure intellects choosing with full knowledge and without the changeability that lets humans repent. So the angelic choice is understood as total and irreversible: having chosen against God with complete understanding, they are permanently fixed in that orientation.
Where in the Bible is this D&D lore stated?

>infant Midianite boys are angels who have betrayed "god"

>>18577416
>Angels are pure intellects choosing with full knowledge and without the changeability that lets humans repent.
Where in the bible does it give angels these attributes?
Also, your first post explicitly states that the primary justification for the giants genocide was the act of their creation (human + demon) which is definitionally not an action or choice of their own.
Why was this the first justification you gave, only to then say it was their choices that made them evil?

>>18577422
He's probably quoting one of the thousands of philosophical tractates from medieval Europe when people wasted their time discussing how many angels can dance on a needles end. You know when they made up the characteristics and personalities of various fictitious angels and demons.

>>18577419
Did Yahwe ask his father El for permission to start the great flood, or did he consult his wife Asherah before doing it?

>>18577313
Are you sure it was the Mediaites?

>>18577301
Daniel 4:31-32

>>18577416
>How dare you filthy goyim criticize G-d. The Midianites were just goyim and deserved to be exterminated. G-d gave this land to us, and goyim deserve to only be our slaves if we're feeling charitable.

>>18577478
The Midianite genocide is completely different to the killing of the Nephilim, that's a different one.

>>18577486
The Midianite women were demon worshipping whores and they seduced the Israelite men to have immoral sex with them and to eat meat sacrificed to Baal. And because of that the Israelite men became yoked to Baal and under his power. And God being the jealous God that he is (noticed I said jealous, not envious, since English speakers for some reason don't know the difference between jealousy and envy) became angry. To him it was like if your neighbor convinced your wife to cheat on you and sleep with another man, so first punished the Israelites with a plague, killing 24K of them, and only after Phinehas son of Eliezar killed one of the Israelites who was boning a mediante woman, by driving a spear through his back and into her stomach, did the anger of God calmed. Then he made a covenant of priesthood with Phinehas and his descendants because he had shown zealousy for his name. And then he ordered the genocide of the demon worshipping whoremongering Mediaites.

>>18577298
>>therefore modern laws making all genocide illegal are immoral
Which modern law makes it illegal for God to genocide people? And which atheist on this board has an IQ over 70? Show me 1 (ONE!).

>>18577545
>demon worshipping whores
But enough about Christian nuns

>>18577545
I find it funny that atheists recoil at these accounts because they have no sense of justice or craving for it
But guess what, it's real and it is coming

>>18577373
>Then if "she does not please you" you are to let her go free.
What if you don't please her? Is she allowed to leave?

>>18577545
the german jews in 1940 were demon worshipping whores therefore its okay that god genocided them through his eartlhy tools

>>18577298
Theists don't believe there are good genocides, just that there is no inherent moral aspect to genocide, since it depends on whether God commands it.

>>18577303
>Genocide was against the giants
Nigga, the flood killed all humans except 1 family, according to your lore.

>>18577303
>>18577605
>flood
>sodom and gomorrah
>caanites
>egypt first sons
genocides

>lot's wife
>uzzah
>david's infant
murder

>abraham's son
attempted murder

>>18577599
The Nazis were secular science worshipping cultists who were also destroyed by Christian armies

>>18577601
No, I'm a theist and if a genocide is restoring justice and destroying evil it is morally good

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>>18577624
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>>18577626
And that's exactly why exterminating all christrasites would be morally good.

>>18577628
Come and try it
God will favor who is right

>>18577337
I'm not religious but none of these three scenarios are a gotcha. Human laws literally don't apply to God, so how would they be immoral? He's not bound by them anyway.

>>18577641
He's saying laws against genocide are immoral. He didn't say anything about laws applying to God.

>>18577644
Why are they immoral?

>>18577646
>>18577337

>>18577647
That text doesn't explain why such laws are immoral.
>God killed humans, therefore it's immoral for humans to enact laws for other humans which prohibit killing humans
Doesn't neatly follow

>>18577650
It's not my argument and it's not an argument I would make. It's just the case that he was not saying it was immoral for God to do anything, but if it is sometimes good, then a blanket ban is wrong. Again, not how I would frame the argument, but that's what it is.

>>18577627
>erm this belt buckle disproves the death camp orgy the Nazis executed in the name of race science sorry sweetie

>>18577655
>if it is sometimes good, then a blanket ban is wrong.
But Christians believe it's permissible only when God does it. So how is the ban wrong if it doesn't apply to God anyway?

>>18577658
>But Christians believe it's permissible only when God does it
I don't think christians believe there are two sets of morality: one for god and one for people. They talk about objective, global all-good.
Either you only have one set of morals, or your morals are subjective.

>>18577669
But God can do things humans can't. For instance he kills people while forbidding humans to do so in the Ten Commandments

>>18577672
He forbids murder, not killing. Killing is allowed, and encouraged.

>>18577672
>>18577673
Also the original 10 commandments are written like:
>dont murder people of your tribe
>dont steal from your tribe
etc

>>18577658
>>18577672
This is actually a great thing to bring up, because specifically he forbids murder, not killing broadly. There's no law anywhere that says killing is entirely forbidden. There are legally and arguably morally justified killings. Could there not be justified genocides? God seems to think so.
Also just from a logistical standpoint, most of the time God isn't doing it he's just ordering it. How are human judges going to be able to determine if a genocide is being ordered by God or not?

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I havent read this yet, but he is a good author and this covers the topic at hand

>>18577298
You now understand why "early Christianity" was full of Gnostic sects that rationalized the cruelty of the Hebrew Bible and the evil god YHWH as being the Demiurge.

>>18577635
>God will favor who is right
Biblically false.

I thought this was a history board not magic sky man's book board

>>18577298
>modern laws making all genocide illegal
Funny how those laws stop being enforced when it's jews that are perpetrating it.