>that weird tankie meme that North Korea was more industrialized and had better living standards than the South until the 80s or soWhile they technically had more industry it was a typical Stalinist economy based on energy and strategic/national defense production, there was next-to nothing for the consumer and living standards were always pitiably bad compared to South Korea which had abundances of American and Japanese goods in its stores and which never had rationed food or anything.
South lost the war and got curbstomped and needed UN to bail them out and then UN got assraped by Chicoms.
>>18577457Strawman fallacyNorth Korea outperformed the South until the 60s, the divergence can be explained by the North having it's cities extensively bombed by the UNC during the war and the South receiving significant aid from the US to "create a bulwark Against Communism".The dirty secret of the miracle on the Han river is that it largely came about because of intervention by the state that invested in key industries and practiced protectionism until those industries matured. The price for all this was living under a brutal authoritarian dictatorship that oppressed the population until the country liberalized in the 80s, when the keys were handed over to corporate oligarchs.The entire point is moot however, both Koreas are complete hellholes in their own way.The South is a crapitalist dystopia while the North is an isolated monarchy ruled by the Kim dynasty in all but name (Juche is completely incompatible with Marxist-Leninism, it is emphatically NOT a Communist country).
Yeah, these 'people' don't care about the facts. As in they literally do not care, at all.It is not uncommon for even the best of us to skew data in favor of our pet theories, out of confirmation bias if not ego, but echo chambers like reddit and /leftypol/ do it deliberately. Being atheistic nihilists they assign no inherent value to the truth, more often it interferes with their ideals than props them up. They instead entertain critical theory, postmodernism, poststructuralism and such where objectivity and rationality are seen as something imposed on the populace by the powerful, which to them is less a bourgeois plutocracy (now considered "antisemitism") and increasingly white supremacy, patriarchy, heteronormativity, cisnormativity and so on..How often is there a twitter storm over some basic facts of a matter? Race and IQ, race and crime, statistics on the alleged "wage gap" and the economic contribution of migrants et cetera.. The truth and the reasonable people who state the obvious are their enemy now and they know it. To them it is bread and butter to never look beyond their own subjective view of reality, they then project this onto their opponents. After all, why would you point out transwomen are biologically different from real women if you weren't on their side? They conclude it is just you attempting to impose your own subjective perspective of white supremacy, imperialism, colonialism and patriarchy on them. It can't possibly be that you value the truth inherently. They don't. Why would we? Then they will say something like "white men commit suicide more often", as though we will reject this fact like them, but it falls flat, yeah, boomers are killing themselves because they are watching their country turn into shit and they know it was their fault for supporting all these changes when they were young hippies in the 60s and 70s.Old school tankies are the same as the nuleft.
>>18577457the accounts of James Dresnok and the USS Pueblo crew describe how harsh and brutal life in DPRK was even in the 60s at the regime's supposed economic peak
>>18577472>The price for all this was living under a brutal authoritarian dictatorship that oat no point was South Korea even close to the North for extreme totalitarianism. Syngman Rhee for instance literally fell due to student protests. inconceivable that that could happen in the North.
>>18577457North Korea always had more minerals and mining (good for industry) but a colder climate and less farmland (bad for food). For years they were artificially subsidized with Soviet grain which led to the population exceeding what the land could actually support and the loss of that grain in the 90s led to the great famine.
>>18577562>Dresnok recalled one incident in the late '60s. "There was a hillside across from the house I was staying in, and one day a heavy rain washed the dirt away. It exposed a large pile of dead bodies. Dogs came and started scavenging them. Shortly after that, some army troops arrived, shot or chased off the dogs, and quickly re-buried the bodies."[2]
>>18577600The life of his children (and possibly grandchildren by now) must be interesting, too bad they probably won't write any memories.
>>18577619memoirs*
>>18577587Pyongyang nominally paid for this grain by selling some manufactured wares to the Soviets but their goods were poor quality and just about worthless, they were accepted just for the sake of being polite.
>>18577587the Chinese own and operate all their mines now lol. Pyongyang gets some free fuel and electricity as payment for it.
Is North Korea a shithole but you gotta ask yourself where would you rather live Pyongyang or manilla
>>18577472>dirty secretSecret to who? It's a trivial fact of history that globalism was implemented with the Asian Tigers as ground zero to bolster the geopolitical strength of the US.
>Chinese troops remained in the DPRK after the armistice and did not leave for several years. Kim Il Sung met Mao Zedong in Moscow at the 40th anniversary celebrations of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1957 and protested that the Chinese were engaging in various abuses of the locals, including some rapes, and asked if the PLA might finally be withdrawn from the country. Mao agreed and the final PLA divisions left the DPRK a few months later. East German diplomatic telegrams record that North Korean officials felt disrespected by the Chinese, who acted with typical "big power chauvinism" and considered them colonial subjects.
>>18577731Most economics normies genuinely think the Asian Tigers are successes of the free market, democracy, and open trade policy (Hong Kong among these is specially funny). It's very much a dirty secret, just not a well hidden one.
>>18577731>>18577762Retard here, by globalism do you mean the concept of minmaxing production across multiple specialized countries?
